OT: Bears Talk - Justin Fields era begins

[Susan]

Nobody is going to care about any of Pace's mistakes in the draft/FA if Fields turns out to be really good.

sure they will. because if fields turns out to be really good (particularly if he is really good on his rookie deal) and the team still isn't consistently contending it will be because of pace's mistakes. see the texans/deshaun watson. people just won't be clamoring for pace to get ****-canned anymore

lmao, nothing Pace has done is even in the same universe as trading Hopkins for David Johnson. That org is a dumpster fire of epic magnitude and they still had the Chiefs on the ropes for a minute there in the playoffs. If Fields turns out to be at Watson's level, Pace's job is much easier because you're getting elite QB play at like a $25m/year discount so you can spend that money elsewhere.

The Bears have had a halfway decent last 3 years, especially when you consider the QB position.

Pace built this defense from the ground up with good drafting (Goldman, Jackson, Smith, Johnson), smart FA moves (Danny T, Hicks), a big trade (Mack) and good scrap heap pickups (Gipson). Same can be said about the offense - the RB room is the best it's been since Pace got here, TE room is 3 deep right now and Robinson/Mooney is a strong 1/2 punch. The offensive line will shake itself out just like it did last year.

And his worst move over the past few years (Quinn) just highlights how hard it is to hit a home run at the Edge position in free agency, further justifying the Mack trade in my mind.

[nitetrain8603]

Nobody is going to care about any of Pace's mistakes in the draft/FA if Fields turns out to be really good.

sure they will. because if fields turns out to be really good (particularly if he is really good on his rookie deal) and the team still isn't consistently contending it will be because of pace's mistakes. see the texans/deshaun watson. people just won't be clamoring for pace to get ****-canned anymore

lmao, nothing Pace has done is even in the same universe as trading Hopkins for David Johnson. That org is a dumpster fire of epic magnitude and they still had the Chiefs on the ropes for a minute there in the playoffs. If Fields turns out to be at Watson's level, Pace's job is much easier because you're getting elite QB play at like a $25m/year discount so you can spend that money elsewhere.

The Bears have had a halfway decent last 3 years, especially when you consider the QB position.

Pace built this defense from the ground up with good drafting (Goldman, Jackson, Smith, Johnson), smart FA moves (Danny T, Hicks), a big trade (Mack) and good scrap heap pickups (Gipson). Same can be said about the offense - the RB room is the best it's been since Pace got here, TE room is 3 deep right now and Robinson/Mooney is a strong 1/2 punch. The offensive line will shake itself out just like it did last year.

And his worst move over the past few years (Quinn) just highlights how hard it is to hit a home run at the Edge position in free agency, further justifying the Mack trade in my mind.

Timeout here, and I'm not saying this is you, but so many people cite the Mack deal against Pace. So we can't have it both ways. It either was a good deal for a HoF player, and best at his position in his era in his prime, or it was a bad use of assets which costs tons of money on top of it. It's one or the other.

[Susan]

sure they will. because if fields turns out to be really good (particularly if he is really good on his rookie deal) and the team still isn't consistently contending it will be because of pace's mistakes. see the texans/deshaun watson. people just won't be clamoring for pace to get ****-canned anymore

lmao, nothing Pace has done is even in the same universe as trading Hopkins for David Johnson. That org is a dumpster fire of epic magnitude and they still had the Chiefs on the ropes for a minute there in the playoffs. If Fields turns out to be at Watson's level, Pace's job is much easier because you're getting elite QB play at like a $25m/year discount so you can spend that money elsewhere.

The Bears have had a halfway decent last 3 years, especially when you consider the QB position.

Pace built this defense from the ground up with good drafting (Goldman, Jackson, Smith, Johnson), smart FA moves (Danny T, Hicks), a big trade (Mack) and good scrap heap pickups (Gipson). Same can be said about the offense - the RB room is the best it's been since Pace got here, TE room is 3 deep right now and Robinson/Mooney is a strong 1/2 punch. The offensive line will shake itself out just like it did last year.

And his worst move over the past few years (Quinn) just highlights how hard it is to hit a home run at the Edge position in free agency, further justifying the Mack trade in my mind.

Timeout here, and I'm not saying this is you, but so many people cite the Mack deal against Pace. So we can't have it both ways. It either was a good deal for a HoF player, and best at his position in his era in his prime, or it was a bad use of assets which costs tons of money on top of it. It's one or the other.

dice has been leading the "the Mack trade was bad" charge with one of his main points being that they could have used the money in free agency and Quinn's disappointing season reiterated my point that just because you spend money on a player in FA, it doesn't mean you're going to wind up with production from that player

[CaPiTanAK]

I honestly don't mind Pace aggressive nature in the draft.

Pace does have one glaring weakness that needs to be improved drastically. He sucks at identifying good FAs when it comes to pursuing guys in the FA market or resigning the right player.

A part of that is due to coaching identification of talent.

[Dresden]

I can't understand people bagging on Pace over Teven Jenkins getting injured. The guy just landed what could be the best QB the Bears have had in my lifetime (60 years).

[thedarkstark]

I can't understand people bagging on Pace over Teven Jenkins getting injured. The guy just landed what could be the best QB the Bears have had in my lifetime (60 years).

Body of work. This type of thinking is exactly why people are worshipping Ditka almost 40 years later for having 2 good seasons, the dude was a trash coach and an even worse GM who rode Buddy Ryans coattails to a superbowl.

Chicago spots fans have such a loser mindset. You can commend a guy when he makes a good move, but that shouldn't earn him 20 years of goodwill. You should be evaluated on your performance yearly and canned when you're not performing at or above the level of your peers.

They TRADED UP to draft a guy who they knew had a back injury (of which only 75-85% ever recover well enough to play football again), not only that but they moved him to LT (which he hasn't played) and cut all LT's on the roster and gave the position to him without ever having played a snap.

This situation is a firable offense all on its own regardless of what else he's done and spoilers what he's done before this has been hot garbage.

Regardless of how great Justin Fields is (which remains to be seen) Pace and Nagy need to GTFO, they're both trash.

[Michael Jackson]

I can't understand people bagging on Pace over Teven Jenkins getting injured. The guy just landed what could be the best QB the Bears have had in my lifetime (60 years).

Body of work. This type of thinking is exactly why people are worshipping Ditka almost 40 years later for having 2 good seasons, the dude was a trash coach and an even worse GM who rode Buddy Ryans coattails to a superbowl.

Chicago spots fans have such a loser mindset. You can commend a guy when he makes a good move, but that shouldn't earn him 20 years of goodwill. You should be evaluated on your performance yearly and canned when you're not performing at or above the level of your peers.

They TRADED UP to draft a guy who they knew had a back injury (of which only 75-85% ever recover well enough to play football again), not only that but they moved him to LT (which he hasn't played) and cut all LT's on the roster and gave the position to him without ever having played a snap.

This situation is a firable offense all on its own regardless of what else he's done and spoilers what he's done before this has been hot garbage.

Regardless of how great Justin Fields is (which remains to be seen) Pace and Nagy need to GTFO, they're both trash.

God the Ditka love has always gotten me. Has anyone ever given away more than the Ricky Williams trade? Anyway fully agree with Buddy Ryan being the reason his Bears team were so good.

I am also very much not a fan of Pace and Nagy. We are stuck with it for now though so you have to hope for the best at this point but they would have been run out of town a long time ago if it were my choice.

[Chi town]

Jeff @dabearsblog is hearing inside Halas that Nagy has no plans to play Fields. Wants to replicate the Mahomes rookie season.

I think that’s a bug mistake. I think Fields can play right away and give us a better opp to win and he gets reps and develops way more than watching.

[Susan]

Jeff @dabearsblog is hearing inside Halas that Nagy has no plans to play Fields. Wants to replicate the Mahomes rookie season.

I think that’s a bug mistake. I think Fields can play right away and give us a better opp to win and he gets reps and develops way more than watching.

Nagy has some serious hubris, when Dalton falls flat on his face and there's no juice to this team, they'll have to play Fields.

[chicagoballer]

Jeff @dabearsblog is hearing inside Halas that Nagy has no plans to play Fields. Wants to replicate the Mahomes rookie season.

I think that’s a bug mistake. I think Fields can play right away and give us a better opp to win and he gets reps and develops way more than watching.

A good reason would be if our O-line is terrible. Let dalton get beat up then

[Hold That]

One thing is for sure Andy Dalton is the king of 3 and out

[Susan]

Three and Out City

Dalton is pointless

[Susan]

Jeff @dabearsblog is hearing inside Halas that Nagy has no plans to play Fields. Wants to replicate the Mahomes rookie season.

I think that’s a bug mistake. I think Fields can play right away and give us a better opp to win and he gets reps and develops way more than watching.

A good reason would be if our O-line is terrible. Let dalton get beat up then

No. Gameplan around it, run the ball, live off of playaction and let Justin make plays with his legs when he needs to. The perfect moment is never coming and this offense is going to be trash with Dalton no matter what, just roll with the actual talent in Fields and make sure you're not putting too much on his shoulders.

There's a good defense here, the RB room is good, rely on that.

[Chi town]

Jeff @dabearsblog is hearing inside Halas that Nagy has no plans to play Fields. Wants to replicate the Mahomes rookie season.

I think that’s a bug mistake. I think Fields can play right away and give us a better opp to win and he gets reps and develops way more than watching.

Nagy has some serious hubris, when Dalton falls flat on his face and there's no juice to this team, they'll have to play Fields.

We are watching right now. Dalton checking down and leading us to 3 and outs.

[Chi town]

Three and Out City

Dalton is pointless

Painful but good. Another 3 and out or pick and Fields comes in and plays like last week and I don’t know how Nagy keeps talking like Dalton is clear no 1

[Chi town]

Fields is going to make mistakes but our ceiling and IMO our floor is better with him over Dalton

[Bullflip]

I thought the Bears defense was good? All i keep hearing is how the defense dominates in practice but they just let Trubisky score two times on them.

[chicagoballer]

Jeff @dabearsblog is hearing inside Halas that Nagy has no plans to play Fields. Wants to replicate the Mahomes rookie season.

I think that’s a bug mistake. I think Fields can play right away and give us a better opp to win and he gets reps and develops way more than watching.

A good reason would be if our O-line is terrible. Let dalton get beat up then

No. Gameplan around it, run the ball, live off of playaction and let Justin make plays with his legs when he needs to. The perfect moment is never coming and this offense is going to be trash with Dalton no matter what, just roll with the actual talent in Fields and make sure you're not putting too much on his shoulders.

There's a good defense here, the RB room is good, rely on that.

I dont think there is one correct answer. Starting fields can work, but I would still let dalton start for minimum 4 games or so. You are assuming the defense will be good and fields is ready. I have my doubts about the aging defense and the RB room. Lets see how the team performs before we decide on fields. A rookie QBs confidence can quickly be rattled with a bad O-line and some interceptions/fumbles. The field will close up when you are using extra blocking on the line. Fields should start at some point this season, but he should not start yet.

If our line is at least average and fields is deemed ready by the coaching staff, he should start week 1.

[Susan]

A good reason would be if our O-line is terrible. Let dalton get beat up then

No. Gameplan around it, run the ball, live off of playaction and let Justin make plays with his legs when he needs to. The perfect moment is never coming and this offense is going to be trash with Dalton no matter what, just roll with the actual talent in Fields and make sure you're not putting too much on his shoulders.

There's a good defense here, the RB room is good, rely on that.

I dont think there is one correct answer. Starting fields can work, but I would still let dalton start for minimum 4 games or so. You are assuming the defense will be good and fields is ready. I have my doubts about the aging defense and the RB room. Lets see how the team performs before we decide on fields. A rookie QBs confidence can quickly be rattled with a bad O-line and some interceptions/fumbles. The field will close up when you are using extra blocking on the line. Fields should start at some point this season, but he should not start yet.

If our line is at least average and fields is deemed ready by the coaching staff, he should start week 1.

Fields ain't Mitch - he's got big time confidence because he's a big time player.

They need to run that offense that they had when Lazor took over last year! A strong running game, playaction and keeping the game simple. Nagy's offense is too ambitious and he overvalues these vet QBs (Dalton, Nick last year). Those dinosaurs can't create off script and at no point has his offense been good at stressing any halfway decent defense.

I like Nagy but he needs to get out of his own way.

[CaPiTanAK]

Matt Nagy seat needs to be on fire if he starts Dalton Week 1. It’s so obvious that Dalton sucks. He’s no QB1.