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Nerlens Noel suing Rich Paul 

Post#1 » by KnicksGadfly » Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:32 am

This all allegedly went down at Simmons’ birthday party in Los Angeles, where Paul was sitting next to Noel during the dinner portion of the event. Following the party, Noel parted ways with Walters and signed a Standard Player Agent Contract (SPAC) with Paul. Noel also purportedly took Paul’s advice and ended prior ongoing negotiations with the Dallas Mavericks that would have paid him $70 million over 4-years, in favor of accepting a single-year, $4.1 million qualifying offer with the intention of later seeking a max deal on the free agent market. Paul earned a 4% commission on the qualifying offer.

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“During the free agent season which began on July 1, 2018, and after Noel’s one-year contract with Dallas expired, neither Paul nor anyone at Klutch Sports presented any real proposals to Noel in terms of strategies or ideas on how Noel might secure a long-term contract or even a significant contract for the following season,” states the Complaint. “Indeed, as the 2018 NBA free agent season began, no real offers or deals were presented to Noel on the first day of free agency.”

Noel says that Paul had nothing to do with Noel then signing with the Oklahoma City Thunder and that, instead, Russell Westbrook and Paul George recruited him to join them for that franchise. Noel signed a 2-year, $3.75 million league-minimum deal with the team, and Paul was paid a 2% commission.

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Noel allegedly learned from Brett Brown, who was coaching the Philadelphia 76ers at the time, that the 76ers front office had been trying to contact Paul to discuss a potential deal and that Paul refused to respond. This was purportedly the case with other team representatives who were reaching out as well.

Eventually, Noel says that he contemplated terminating his representation relationship with Klutch Sports; however, he was persuaded by Lucas Newton of the company that they were working on a 3-year deal with the Thunder that should compensate Noel to the tune of $7 million to $10 million annually. Thus, Noel decided to stay in place with his agency of record.

Then, free agency hit and the first day was quiet. Noel says that he later learned that representatives from the Houston Rockets and Los Angeles Clippers wanted to discuss opportunities with Paul, but that they could not make contact. Leon Rose (who was formerly an agent at Creative Artists Agency but then the President of the New York Knicks) reached out about a deal and Noel ultimately signed a 1-year contract for $5 million.

Noel finally terminated his relationship with Paul and Klutch Sports in December 2020 and says that the final straw was Noel learning that Paul “had a history of mismanaging and ignoring other clients and costing them significant money.” He believed that Paul and Klutch Sports were only focused on serving their marquee clients, and did not have the capacity to serve Noel as well as players such as Norris Cole or Shabazz Mohammad. After Noel’s first season with the Knicks, he signed a 3-year deal for roughly $32 million and was represented by basketball agent George Langberg on that contract.


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I feel like this is a bit different from the Shroeder situation if true.
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Re: Nerlens Noel suing Rich Paul 

Post#2 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:16 am

I hope Nerlens is successful
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Post#3 » by BKlutch » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:36 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:I hope Nerlens is successful

Despite their having a similar name, I hope they are successfully sued by Nerlens. Because if it wasn't their fault, he's second only to Schröder as an idiot in making contract decisions.
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Re: Nerlens Noel suing Rich Paul 

Post#4 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:47 am

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thebuzzardman wrote:Mitch getting ideas


:lol: How many lawsuits would that be at this point? Six?
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Post#6 » by Capn'O » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:14 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:I hope Nerlens is successful


You do realize you're gonna have to root for Leon here. Paul spun off from CAA and took LeBron from him. Noel's decision to move now cannot be entirely separate from the Rose connection. Noel is his dagger for payback and you better believe he's got good intel. This is about to be high cinema.
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"Because if it wasn't their fault, he's second only to Schröder as an idiot in making contract decisions." A CLOSE second. VERY CLOSE.
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Re: Nerlens Noel suing Rich Paul 

Post#8 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:37 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:I hope Nerlens is successful


You do realize you're gonna have to root for Leon here. Paul spun off from CAA and took LeBron from him. Noel's decision to move now cannot be entirely separate from the Rose connection. Noel is his dagger for payback and you better believe he's got good intel. This is about to be high cinema.


Okay, all this is news to me so forgive me while I attempt for a moment to process it.

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Well, my initial reaction is that Nerlens is doing this for Nerlens, not Leon. If Leon happens to benefit somehow from Nerlens's successful lawsuit, then so be it for that lucky-azz mofo, Leon. :lol:

Seriously, I didn't read up on all the facts involving the suit against Rich Paul and I don't know Rich Paul's side of it. I'm sure there must be a lot of text messages and emails and perhaps other documents which will shed more light on this dispute.

As I recall, the general consensus at the time that Nerlens turned down that offer was ...

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HarthorneWingo wrote:
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HarthorneWingo wrote:I hope Nerlens is successful


You do realize you're gonna have to root for Leon here. Paul spun off from CAA and took LeBron from him. Noel's decision to move now cannot be entirely separate from the Rose connection. Noel is his dagger for payback and you better believe he's got good intel. This is about to be high cinema.


Okay, all this is news to me so forgive me while I attempt for a moment to process it.

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Well, my initial reaction is that Nerlens is doing this for Nerlens, not Leon. If Leon happens to benefit somehow from Nerlens's successful lawsuit, then so be it for that lucky-azz mofo, Leon. :lol:

Seriously, I didn't read up on all the facts involving the suit against Rich Paul and I don't know Rich Paul's side of it. I'm sure there must be a lot of text messages and emails and perhaps other documents which will shed more light on this dispute.

As I recall, the general consensus at the time that Nerlens turned down that offer was ...

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Rose represented Embiid and CP3 who were on two of the mentioned teams that allegedly called Noel and RP blew off. He might have some really good info. Obviously Noel would pursue this for his own interests but the possibility that this is a juicy revenge story is too good for me to not buy into at least a little.
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Post#10 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:15 am

Capn'O wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
You do realize you're gonna have to root for Leon here. Paul spun off from CAA and took LeBron from him. Noel's decision to move now cannot be entirely separate from the Rose connection. Noel is his dagger for payback and you better believe he's got good intel. This is about to be high cinema.


Okay, all this is news to me so forgive me while I attempt for a moment to process it.

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Well, my initial reaction is that Nerlens is doing this for Nerlens, not Leon. If Leon happens to benefit somehow from Nerlens's successful lawsuit, then so be it for that lucky-azz mofo, Leon. :lol:

Seriously, I didn't read up on all the facts involving the suit against Rich Paul and I don't know Rich Paul's side of it. I'm sure there must be a lot of text messages and emails and perhaps other documents which will shed more light on this dispute.

As I recall, the general consensus at the time that Nerlens turned down that offer was ...

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Rose represented Embiid and CP3 who were on two of the mentioned teams that allegedly called Noel and RP blew off. He might have some really good info. Obviously Noel would pursue this for his own interests but the possibility that this is a juicy revenge story is too good for me to not buy into at least a little.


This is way beyond my pay scale and qualifications. :lol: We'll see if/how this mushrooms.

I looked into being a sports agent at some point after graduating law school. There were all kinds of fees and costs involved and I was making a pittance working for the City.

A law school professor who was previously the Commissioner of the CBA, Jim Drucker (I believe Jim is the son of now-deceased longtime NBA referee, Norm Drucker). Jim was kind enough to introduce me to Steve Kaufman who was an NBA agent out of Philadelphia who represented some of the Hawks players back in the early/mid 80s like Tree Rollins (lmao @ the fight with Danny Ainge) along with some baseball players. After talking to him, I didn't think that work was for me. Lots of tax code and contract work to go along to dealing with all of the players' complaints and threats of leaving for other agents, etc.

Leon had the luxury of working at his dad's Cherry Hill, NJ personal injury law firm while he worked his b-ball connections in Philadelphia. I give him credit for that. He made his breaks, as they say.
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Post#11 » by Capn'O » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:23 am

Oh lord. He did personal injury? No wonder you hate him.
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Post#12 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:35 am

Capn'O wrote:Oh lord. He did personal injury? No wonder you hate him.


There are good and noble high level personal injury attorneys out there doing high quality work for people who've suffered real injuries. And then there are the "mills" as we called them, that run a racket. I'm not really sure what kind office they ran. What angered me more than anything was his lack of integrity.
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Post#14 » by br7knicks » Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:43 am

beat ya by 7 minutes!

viewtopic.php?p=93512579#p93512057


this may actually be worthy of its own thread. i just didn't because i'm always getting on other peoples' cases for making new, redundant threads.
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Re: Nerlens Noel suing Rich Paul 

Post#15 » by KnicksGadfly » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:44 am

br7knicks wrote:beat ya by 7 minutes!

viewtopic.php?p=93512579#p93512057


this may actually be worthy of its own thread. i just didn't because i'm always getting on other peoples' cases for making new, redundant threads.


Heh I figure it’s the off-season and we need stuff to talk about now that we don’t have 20 threads about how Obi is Karl Malone and McBride will be Gary Payton.
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Post#16 » by moocow007 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:54 pm

At the end of the day there is no one that you should be trusting more than yourself. So while, sure, you'd like to feel that you should trust your agent (cause it's the agents job) you are responsible for your own decisions. From what I understand Noel knew about the Dallas offer (not like Paul hid it from him). If he didn't then absolutely it's on Paul. But you got to be smarter than to buy into all the BS that someone who's job is about BS'ing (i.e. an agent) when they tell you this or that and that you're better than you are.

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Re: Nerlens Noel suing Rich Paul 

Post#17 » by god shammgod » Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:20 pm

br7knicks wrote:beat ya by 7 minutes!

viewtopic.php?p=93512579#p93512057


this may actually be worthy of its own thread. i just didn't because i'm always getting on other peoples' cases for making new, redundant threads.


2 hours :D

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=93511097#p93511097

anyway, he won't win.
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Re: Nerlens Noel suing Rich Paul 

Post#18 » by j4remi » Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:22 pm

Noel allegedly learned from Brett Brown, who was coaching the Philadelphia 76ers at the time, that the 76ers front office had been trying to contact Paul to discuss a potential deal and that Paul refused to respond. This was purportedly the case with other team representatives who were reaching out as well.


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Post#19 » by Fat Kat » Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:46 pm

god shammgod wrote:
br7knicks wrote:beat ya by 7 minutes!

viewtopic.php?p=93512579#p93512057


this may actually be worthy of its own thread. i just didn't because i'm always getting on other peoples' cases for making new, redundant threads.


2 hours :D

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=93511097#p93511097

anyway, he won't win.


He won't win, but it'll cost Rich Paul. This isn't a good look.
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Re: Nerlens Noel suing Rich Paul 

Post#20 » by god shammgod » Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:58 pm

Fat Kat wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
br7knicks wrote:beat ya by 7 minutes!

viewtopic.php?p=93512579#p93512057


this may actually be worthy of its own thread. i just didn't because i'm always getting on other peoples' cases for making new, redundant threads.


2 hours :D

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=93511097#p93511097

anyway, he won't win.


He won't win, but it'll cost Rich Paul. This isn't a good look.


agents are sleazy. a great revelation.

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