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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1241 » by darrendaye » Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:55 pm

snowman wrote:With the recent extensions in place, I think our starting line up is pretty much set.
Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum and Timelord.
Timelord over Horford starting to save Horfords body and give the inside presence / rebounding / shot blocking in the starting unit.

Our 2nd team is set too.
Pritchard, Schroder, Nesmith, ( ??? ) Horford.
I think that our 2nd team needs an enforcer at the 4. We have potentially enough shooting with Pritchard, Nesmith and Horford. We have the slashing / drive to the hoop in Schroder. I think Fernando should be our backup 4, unless we trade for someone. Things are looking bleak on that front though. Fernando is much better defensively and a better rebounder than Parker or G. Will. He brings the energy, defense, inside presence and rebounding that our 2nd team lacks when G. Will or Parker is on the floor. He can be, somewhat, to the 2nd unit, that Timelord brings to the starters. This also balances out the floor spacing and the lineup.

Langford, Parker and Kanter are pretty good for a 3rd team. Just need to trade Edwards, Dunn and G. Will.

moonie_mcgee wrote:That may be the closing unit for their defense but I wouldn't start Smart and Richardson. I bet that goes to Nesmith. He's gonna get alot of open looks. Richardson is a great utility knife off the bench and can sub for multiple guys. Plus he's secure with a new contract so he should be cool with it. Winning is the goal now and everyone needs to buy into it. We are much better up and down the roster than last year.

Hal14 wrote:Richardson is a much better, more proven player than Nesmith. Richardson is a much better defender. Nesmith couldn't even guard dudes in the summer league who won't even make an NBA roster.

I like Nesmith and think one day he could develop into a good player. But you don't start a 21 yr old kid on a team that has the potential to be a legit top 4 team in the conference - not when you have better options like Smart, Richardson, Schroder.

Smart/Richardson/Schroder should all play 28-31 mins a game.

Nesmith/Pritchard/Langford a.ka. our young kids who are projects who are unproven? 15-20 mins a game.

darrendaye wrote:I don't think it's impossible that they choose to start Nesmith and continue the trend of the "one to help" starting lineup. But I think they'll try to take some defensive burden off the Jays by starting Richardson. Agree with you that Smart, Richardson, and Schroder get starter level minutes. I'd say Smart locked in for at least 30. Schroder and Richardson at least 26, I'd think, but more likely 28ish. Playing Richardson allows the staff to ask Smart and the Jays to work more on the offensive end.

I have to think Pritchard gets closer to 20 minutes. Unless his shooting nosedives. But his consistent mechanics makes that very unlikely. Most attractive is his extended range capabilities to stretch defensive coverage. Nesmith more susceptible.

While the allocated minutes lists aren't perfect with injuries and overtimes effect, the below illustrates the push down that leaves very limited available minutes at the PF or the seemingly more digestable BF (Big Forward):

Smart (20), Schroder (28)
Richardson (20), Smart (10), Pritchard (18)
Brown (24), Richardson (6), Nesmith (18)
Tatum (34), Brown (10), MixNMatch (4)
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1242 » by playa-hater » Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:04 pm

Horford or Timelord and Nesmith or J Rich? let's face it, no one really knows. We all have our preferences but to really say with certainty with a new coach and before training camp even starts is all projections at best.

For all we know Grant Williams comes in shape and takes the 4 man spot and slides everyone down a position :o :D
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1243 » by Parliament10 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:00 pm

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snowman wrote:With the recent extensions in place, I think our starting line up is pretty much set.
Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum and Timelord.
Timelord over Horford starting to save Horfords body and give the inside presence / rebounding / shot blocking in the starting unit.

Our 2nd team is set too.
Pritchard, Schroder, Nesmith, ( ??? ) Horford.
I think that our 2nd team needs an enforcer at the 4. We have potentially enough shooting with Pritchard, Nesmith and Horford. We have the slashing / drive to the hoop in Schroder. I think Fernando should be our backup 4, unless we trade for someone. Things are looking bleak on that front though. Fernando is much better defensively and a better rebounder than Parker or G. Will. He brings the energy, defense, inside presence and rebounding that our 2nd team lacks when G. Will or Parker is on the floor. He can be, somewhat, to the 2nd unit, that Timelord brings to the starters. This also balances out the floor spacing and the lineup.

Langford, Parker and Kanter are pretty good for a 3rd team. Just need to trade Edwards, Dunn and G. Will.

moonie_mcgee wrote:That may be the closing unit for their defense but I wouldn't start Smart and Richardson. I bet that goes to Nesmith. He's gonna get alot of open looks. Richardson is a great utility knife off the bench and can sub for multiple guys. Plus he's secure with a new contract so he should be cool with it. Winning is the goal now and everyone needs to buy into it. We are much better up and down the roster than last year.

Hal14 wrote:Richardson is a much better, more proven player than Nesmith. Richardson is a much better defender. Nesmith couldn't even guard dudes in the summer league who won't even make an NBA roster.

I like Nesmith and think one day he could develop into a good player. But you don't start a 21 yr old kid on a team that has the potential to be a legit top 4 team in the conference - not when you have better options like Smart, Richardson, Schroder.

Smart/Richardson/Schroder should all play 28-31 mins a game.

Nesmith/Pritchard/Langford a.ka. our young kids who are projects who are unproven? 15-20 mins a game.

darrendaye wrote:I don't think it's impossible that they choose to start Nesmith and continue the trend of the "one to help" starting lineup. But I think they'll try to take some defensive burden off the Jays by starting Richardson. Agree with you that Smart, Richardson, and Schroder get starter level minutes. I'd say Smart locked in for at least 30. Schroder and Richardson at least 26, I'd think, but more likely 28ish. Playing Richardson allows the staff to ask Smart and the Jays to work more on the offensive end.

I have to think Pritchard gets closer to 20 minutes. Unless his shooting nosedives. But his consistent mechanics makes that very unlikely. Most attractive is his extended range capabilities to stretch defensive coverage. Nesmith more susceptible.

While the allocated minutes lists aren't perfect with injuries and overtimes effect, the below illustrates the push down that leaves very limited available minutes at the PF or the seemingly more digestable BF (Big Forward):

Smart (20), Schroder (28)
Richardson (20), Smart (10), Pritchard (18)
Brown (24), Richardson (6), Nesmith (18)
Tatum (34), Brown (10), MixNMatch (4)

I see the minutes a bit different. It's going to be a pleasant dilemma on who to play, when all are healthy.

Proposed Rotation, 2021-22:
M. Smart (20) --- Schröder (20) -- Pritchard (08)
Richardson (20) - M. Smart (10) - Schröder (10) -- Pritchard (08)
J. Brown (30) ---- Nesmith (18)
J. Tatum (30) ----- G. Will. (10) -- Fernando/Parker (08)
Timelord (20) ---- Horford (20) -- Kanter (08)
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1244 » by moonie_mcgee » Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:25 pm

Hal14 wrote:
moonie_mcgee wrote:
snowman wrote:With the recent extensions in place, I think our starting line up is pretty much set.
Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum and Timelord.
Timelord over Horford starting to save Horfords body and give the inside presence / rebounding / shot blocking in the starting unit.

Our 2nd team is set too.
Pritchard, Schroder, Nesmith, ( ??? ) Horford.
I think that our 2nd team needs an enforcer at the 4. We have potentially enough shooting with Pritchard, Nesmith and Horford. We have the slashing / drive to the hoop in Schroder. I think Fernando should be our backup 4, unless we trade for someone. Things are looking bleak on that front though. Fernando is much better defensively and a better rebounder than Parker or G. Will. He brings the energy, defense, inside presence and rebounding that our 2nd team lacks when G. Will or Parker is on the floor. He can be, somewhat, to the 2nd unit, that Timelord brings to the starters. This also balances out the floor spacing and the lineup.

Langford, Parker and Kanter are pretty good for a 3rd team. Just need to trade Edwards, Dunn and G. Will.

That may be the closing unit for their defense but I wouldn't start Smart and Richardson. I bet that goes to Nesmith. He's gonna get alot of open looks. Richardson is a great utility knife off the bench and can sub for multiple guys. Plus he's secure with a new contract so he should be cool with it. Winning is the goal now and everyone needs to buy into it. We are much better up and down the roster than last year.

Richardson is a much better, more proven player than Nesmith. Richardson is a much better defender. Nesmith couldn't even guard dudes in the summer league who won't even make an NBA roster.

I like Nesmith and think one day he could develop into a good player. But you don't start a 21 yr old kid on a team that has the potential to be a legit top 4 team in the conference - not when you have better options like Smart, Richardson, Schroder.

Smart/Richardson/Schroder should all play 28-31 mins a game.

Nesmith/Pritchard/Langford a.ka. our young kids who are projects who are unproven? 15-20 mins a game.


We'll see what happens. A starting backcourt of Smart and Richardson, along with RWilliams, may not have sufficient perimeter shooting to open up the driving lanes. Also Smart, JRich and Schroeder will get their minutes but it might be only Smart who starts with JB JT and Rob. JRich and Schoeder could be great off the bench, along with Pritch and Horford. Now that's a bench!
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1245 » by GoGreen » Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:13 pm

Idk who starts the season, but baring any trades, I sure hope it's Smart/Nesmith/JB/JT/Rob that ends the season
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Post#1246 » by playa-hater » Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:13 pm

GoGreen wrote:Idk who starts the season, but baring any trades, I sure hope it's Smart/Nesmith/JB/JT/Rob that ends the season


so much THIS ^ ban any other member who feels differently. Time to get tough with these cream puffs!
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Post#1247 » by Hal14 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:54 am

moonie_mcgee wrote:
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moonie_mcgee wrote:That may be the closing unit for their defense but I wouldn't start Smart and Richardson. I bet that goes to Nesmith. He's gonna get alot of open looks. Richardson is a great utility knife off the bench and can sub for multiple guys. Plus he's secure with a new contract so he should be cool with it. Winning is the goal now and everyone needs to buy into it. We are much better up and down the roster than last year.

Richardson is a much better, more proven player than Nesmith. Richardson is a much better defender. Nesmith couldn't even guard dudes in the summer league who won't even make an NBA roster.

I like Nesmith and think one day he could develop into a good player. But you don't start a 21 yr old kid on a team that has the potential to be a legit top 4 team in the conference - not when you have better options like Smart, Richardson, Schroder.

Smart/Richardson/Schroder should all play 28-31 mins a game.

Nesmith/Pritchard/Langford a.ka. our young kids who are projects who are unproven? 15-20 mins a game.


We'll see what happens. A starting backcourt of Smart and Richardson, along with RWilliams, may not have sufficient perimeter shooting to open up the driving lanes. Also Smart, JRich and Schroeder will get their minutes but it might be only Smart who starts with JB JT and Rob. JRich and Schoeder could be great off the bench, along with Pritch and Horford. Now that's a bench!

It remains to be seen what Ime does. But my recommended starting lineup is Smart/Richardson/Brown/Tatum/Horford then Schroder and Rob off the bench. after that Pritchard/Nesmith/Langford/Grant and then Kanter/Dunn/Fernando
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1248 » by moonie_mcgee » Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:43 pm

Hal14 wrote:
moonie_mcgee wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Richardson is a much better, more proven player than Nesmith. Richardson is a much better defender. Nesmith couldn't even guard dudes in the summer league who won't even make an NBA roster.

I like Nesmith and think one day he could develop into a good player. But you don't start a 21 yr old kid on a team that has the potential to be a legit top 4 team in the conference - not when you have better options like Smart, Richardson, Schroder.

Smart/Richardson/Schroder should all play 28-31 mins a game.

Nesmith/Pritchard/Langford a.ka. our young kids who are projects who are unproven? 15-20 mins a game.


We'll see what happens. A starting backcourt of Smart and Richardson, along with RWilliams, may not have sufficient perimeter shooting to open up the driving lanes. Also Smart, JRich and Schroeder will get their minutes but it might be only Smart who starts with JB JT and Rob. JRich and Schoeder could be great off the bench, along with Pritch and Horford. Now that's a bench!

It remains to be seen what Ime does. But my recommended starting lineup is Smart/Richardson/Brown/Tatum/Horford then Schroder and Rob off the bench. after that Pritchard/Nesmith/Langford/Grant and then Kanter/Dunn/Fernando


Ok but wouldn't teams just pack the paint with Smart and JRich in the backcourt? Especially with RWill. How does your lineup facilitate your vision of opening up the lane? Will it just be p n r centric? That could be defended wo the perimeter threat.
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Post#1249 » by playa-hater » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:37 pm

Hal14 wrote:
moonie_mcgee wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Richardson is a much better, more proven player than Nesmith. Richardson is a much better defender. Nesmith couldn't even guard dudes in the summer league who won't even make an NBA roster.

I like Nesmith and think one day he could develop into a good player. But you don't start a 21 yr old kid on a team that has the potential to be a legit top 4 team in the conference - not when you have better options like Smart, Richardson, Schroder.

Smart/Richardson/Schroder should all play 28-31 mins a game.

Nesmith/Pritchard/Langford a.ka. our young kids who are projects who are unproven? 15-20 mins a game.


We'll see what happens. A starting backcourt of Smart and Richardson, along with RWilliams, may not have sufficient perimeter shooting to open up the driving lanes. Also Smart, JRich and Schroeder will get their minutes but it might be only Smart who starts with JB JT and Rob. JRich and Schoeder could be great off the bench, along with Pritch and Horford. Now that's a bench!

It remains to be seen what Ime does. But my recommended starting lineup is Smart/Richardson/Brown/Tatum/Horford then Schroder and Rob off the bench. after that Pritchard/Nesmith/Langford/Grant and then Kanter/Dunn/Fernando


that is the finishing lineup IMO. best defensive and most experienced unit. But youngest need to start in Nesmith and RW. Learning plus keeping vets like Horford fresh longer.
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Post#1251 » by bisme37 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:31 pm

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Seems like the one who has no role on this team is Carsen. And I would think a change of scenery would benefit him too. His contract is going to run out with him sitting on our bench and he's going to end up out of the league.
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Post#1253 » by playa-hater » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:53 pm

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who would be best amongst - Juancho Hernangomez - Grant Williams - Jabari Parker - (not including Bruno and Hauser since one is more a center while the other (my top pick) won't be ready yet)???

seems kind of same level but different skill sets.
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Post#1254 » by itrsteve » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:37 pm

bisme37 wrote:Seems like the one who has no role on this team is Carsen. And I would think a change of scenery would benefit him too. His contract is going to run out with him sitting on our bench and he's going to end up out of the league.


It 100% has to be Carsen, I respect his work ethic, drive and all that... But they're not doing his career any favors by hanging around for the microwave night which will never come.

On an unrelated: I'm shocked that the general consensus on GB is that Boston will be a play-in team. And NYK are a Top 4 lock because of Kemba Walker.

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who would be best amongst - Juancho Hernangomez - Grant Williams - Jabari Parker - (not including Bruno and Hauser since one is more a center while the other (my top pick) won't be ready yet)???

seems kind of same level but different skill sets.


Juancho would be a clear upgrade.
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Post#1256 » by moonie_mcgee » Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:35 pm

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who would be best amongst - Juancho Hernangomez - Grant Williams - Jabari Parker - (not including Bruno and Hauser since one is more a center while the other (my top pick) won't be ready yet)???

seems kind of same level but different skill sets.


Good point playa and that's a good thing. If Hernangomez can protect the rim then we could use him. Parker can provide buckets and GWill is a 3 and D player. We got the perimeter players. Now load up more on the front court and take it to our eastern rivals. Target number one- the Bucks, target two - the Nets.
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Post#1257 » by moonie_mcgee » Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:40 pm

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Nice pic parl.
6 new vets with various roles.
Minus Kemba, Thompson, and others.
Stevens rocked the Casbah.
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Post#1258 » by Half-Full » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:07 pm

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Nice pic parl.
6 new vets with various roles.
Minus Kemba, Thompson, and others.
Stevens rocked the Casbah.
Celtics 2021-22 Retribution Tour!


Stevens did indeed rock the Casbah. All the "experts" agree.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/8/30/22642907/grading-the-boston-celtics-offseason-celticsblog-roundtable
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Post#1259 » by Shak_Celts » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:20 pm

moonie_mcgee wrote:
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who would be best amongst - Juancho Hernangomez - Grant Williams - Jabari Parker - (not including Bruno and Hauser since one is more a center while the other (my top pick) won't be ready yet)???

seems kind of same level but different skill sets.


Good point playa and that's a good thing. If Hernangomez can protect the rim then we could use him. Parker can provide buckets and GWill is a 3 and D player. We got the perimeter players. Now load up more on the front court and take it to our eastern rivals. Target number one- the Bucks, target two - the Nets.


Target one is the nets if they are healthy. Inch or two less and it would have been Nets in the finals. I don't discount the Bucks win too much because you still have to put yourself in position to capitalize on (Nets) misfortune, they did, but KD was almost enough alone. Giannis may be a new monster though after winning it, like LBJ was, but will it be enough vs a healthy nets?

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Post#1260 » by GoGreen » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:28 pm

I'm all in on Juancho. Grizz are trying to shed players and Cs can take him in with the TT TPE. If they can figure out how to dump Carsen and Dunn, we've got ourselves a roster.

Smart/Nesmith/JB/JT/Rob

Dennis/Pritch/Richardson/Juancho/Al

Then some decent depth at 11-15 with Kanter, Parker, Fernando and Romeo.

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