Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[cool93]

Blake had to put in work as his body was breaking down and the days of jumping through dudes was coming to a quick close.

Ben isn't there yet

Ben never was jumping through dudes, he is to afraid to get fouled, lol

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[76ciology]

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This + Elite defense + Elite passing was the fantasy ceiling for Ben. Damn that’s some player basically new Age Lebron.

Griffin Pistons was such a player development.

I don’t think Ben will even get close to this form. Surely he’s not stupid enough to rely solely on athleticism surely not? It’s not going to be pretty 30 and onwards.

This is the only video footage (whole seasons worth on backlogs) if really wants to improve but that’s a big if, the blueprint is there.

No.

He’s not LeBron.
He’s not Blake Griffin (i thought that was he was when we first drafted him)

Thats why people always gets frustrated.

He’s Draymond Green.

Is being Draymond Green a bad thing?

Well yes, if you expect him to be a 20+ppg scorer and knock down 3s like a 6’9” Steph Curry

TTP brought out this stat in the Embiid thread
https://www.bball-index.com/my-playoff-lebron/

Look where Draymond stands from all the playoff performers.

How do you do that?

Put a lot of scoring around Ben. Think of the Blazers where they kept adding defensive wings around their high scoring backcourt. While offensively, a guy like Ben could get their scorers better looks (hand off and transition) while having more opportunistic scoring opportunities.

[cool93]

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This + Elite defense + Elite passing was the fantasy ceiling for Ben. Damn that’s some player basically new Age Lebron.

Griffin Pistons was such a player development.

I don’t think Ben will even get close to this form. Surely he’s not stupid enough to rely solely on athleticism surely not? It’s not going to be pretty 30 and onwards.

This is the only video footage (whole seasons worth on backlogs) if really wants to improve but that’s a big if, the blueprint is there.

No.

He’s not LeBron.
He’s not Blake Griffin (i thought that was he was when we first drafted him)

Thats why people always gets frustrated.

He’s Draymond Green.

Is being Draymond Green a bad thing?

Well yes, if you expect him to be a 20+ppg scorer and knock down 3s like a 6’9” Steph Curry

TTP brought out this stat in the Embiid thread
https://www.bball-index.com/my-playoff-lebron/

Look where Draymond stands from all the playoff performers.

How do you do that?

Put a lot of scoring around Ben. Think of the Blazers where they kept adding defensive wings around their high scoring backcourt. While offensively, a guy like Ben could get their scorers better looks (hand off and transition) while having more opportunistic scoring opportunities.

Problem is, Ben can't defend the rim. He is inverted Draymond on defence.
Plus Ben will always just go clog the paint, and tgats just idiotic when our franchise player is a center.

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[IceManBK1]

Phil out: Simmons, Maxey
In: Siakam and filler

Tor out: Siakam and filler
In: Beasley, Prince, Okogie, 2 1st(Min)

Min out: Beasley, Prince, Okogie, 2 1st
In: Simmons

Good trade? You guys get Siakam who's a better fit nxt to embiid.

[Stanford]

Good trade?

I hope Maxi is Maxi Kleber, acquired in an off-screen deal for a second rounder, and not 20-year old fan favorite Tyrese Maxey.

[IceManBK1]

Good trade?

I hope Maxi is Maxi Kleber, acquired in an off-screen deal for a second rounder, and not 20-year old fan favorite Tyrese Maxey.

Yes, Maxey

[Stanford]

c'mon bro

[Kobblehead]

We don't want Pascal Siakam.

[mjkvol]

Good trade?

I hope Maxi is Maxi Kleber, acquired in an off-screen deal for a second rounder, and not 20-year old fan favorite Tyrese Maxey.

Yes, Maxey

No deal. Don't want Siakam and won't give up Maxey.

[stormi]

The Raptors have to add significantly to Pascal to get Ben.

[76ciology]

Read on Twitter

Ben is never gonna improve.

This might even be HIS IDEA

[IceManBK1]

I hope Maxi is Maxi Kleber, acquired in an off-screen deal for a second rounder, and not 20-year old fan favorite Tyrese Maxey.

Yes, Maxey

No deal. Don't want Siakam and won't give up Maxey.

ok switch Maxey out for Drummonds..i think raptors need a center more than a PG. Maybe Raptors can add a another piece like chris boucher.

[mjkvol]

Yes, Maxey

No deal. Don't want Siakam and won't give up Maxey.

ok switch Maxey out for Drummonds..i think raptors need a center more than a PG. Maybe Raptors can add a another piece like chris boucher.

Make it Siakam and FVV and we can start the conversation. Maxey and Thybulle are still out.

[stormi]

Read on Twitter

Ben is never gonna improve.

This might even be HIS IDEA

Ben is locked in the gym getting shots up while the real villain Tobias Harris is in front of the camera participating in a different type of shooting. Sad.

[76ciology]

Read on Twitter

Ben is never gonna improve.

This might even be HIS IDEA

Ben is locked in the gym getting shots up while the real villain Tobias Harris is in front of the camera participating in a different type of shooting. Gross.

[DCasey91]

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This + Elite defense + Elite passing was the fantasy ceiling for Ben. Damn that’s some player basically new Age Lebron.

Griffin Pistons was such a player development.

I don’t think Ben will even get close to this form. Surely he’s not stupid enough to rely solely on athleticism surely not? It’s not going to be pretty 30 and onwards.

This is the only video footage (whole seasons worth on backlogs) if really wants to improve but that’s a big if, the blueprint is there.

No.

He’s not LeBron.
He’s not Blake Griffin (i thought that was he was when we first drafted him)

Thats why people always gets frustrated.

He’s Draymond Green.

Is being Draymond Green a bad thing?

Well yes, if you expect him to be a 20+ppg scorer and knock down 3s like a 6’9” Steph Curry

TTP brought out this stat in the Embiid thread
https://www.bball-index.com/my-playoff-lebron/

Look where Draymond stands from all the playoff performers.

How do you do that?

Put a lot of scoring around Ben. Think of the Blazers where they kept adding defensive wings around their high scoring backcourt. While offensively, a guy like Ben could get their scorers better looks (hand off and transition) while having more opportunistic scoring opportunities.

Hence why I said fantasy ceiling. I think Ben is more or less an overpaid elite roleplayer albeit with flaws (roleplayers do have flaws).

I believe we are not using him properly due to the shot happy meta. The shot happy meta doesn’t work (small ball, guard heavy with no defense = no title). More big man stuff please for ffs.

We will never shoot a team out the park that’s bad philosophy considering our two best players aren’t that. That’s why I’m so high on Ingram. I believe he’s the rug that ties the room together between the duo lol (See if you know this quote)

GSW finessed the league. They had Iggy, Durant, Green and bloody Klay.... as two way wings go that’s an all time quartet.

I’m fine for one sub defender but only one on the starting unit. Ingram for what’s happened will be fine (length) he’ll have more of an impact than say a Booker. CJ is very close to the mark but I’d prefer Ingram. That’s the trade farm deal.

Makeshift into getting Simons and Cooper which shouldn’t be hard and we’ll have a lot of depth for guard play and the star trade if need be. Its win win in my eyes on how to actually circumvent this thing.

[DCasey91]

Blake had to put in work as his body was breaking down and the days of jumping through dudes was coming to a quick close.

Ben isn't there yet

Ben never was jumping through dudes, he is to afraid to get fouled, lol

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Athleticism goes one way as you get older... it’s not like Ben hasn’t been injured.

[DCasey91]

Watch on YouTube

This + Elite defense + Elite passing was the fantasy ceiling for Ben. Damn that’s some player basically new Age Lebron.

Griffin Pistons was such a player development.

I don’t think Ben will even get close to this form. Surely he’s not stupid enough to rely solely on athleticism surely not? It’s not going to be pretty 30 and onwards.

This is the only video footage (whole seasons worth on backlogs) if really wants to improve but that’s a big if, the blueprint is there.

No.

He’s not LeBron.
He’s not Blake Griffin (i thought that was he was when we first drafted him)

Thats why people always gets frustrated.

He’s Draymond Green.

Is being Draymond Green a bad thing?

Well yes, if you expect him to be a 20+ppg scorer and knock down 3s like a 6’9” Steph Curry

TTP brought out this stat in the Embiid thread
https://www.bball-index.com/my-playoff-lebron/

Look where Draymond stands from all the playoff performers.

How do you do that?

Put a lot of scoring around Ben. Think of the Blazers where they kept adding defensive wings around their high scoring backcourt. While offensively, a guy like Ben could get their scorers better looks (hand off and transition) while having more opportunistic scoring opportunities.

Problem is, Ben can't defend the rim. He is inverted Draymond on defence.
Plus Ben will always just go clog the paint, and tgats just idiotic when our franchise player is a center.

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I’ve watched back a lot of game footage. All four are at fault (Doc, and the trio). Curry really is our second most important offensive player and it’s not even close (for the release valve shot).

It’s basketball we’ve seen bigs that can’t shoot but can pass and playmake. Shaq had less space than this that did not bother him one bit. Kobe has Bynum, Gasol and Odom. Etc etc

For me the blame is shared.

1. People don’t realize they don’t link up well together and it’s not always Ben’s fault..... Embiid has a consistency of all for him and tunnel hero ball vision. The other 4 standstill even when Embiid is in a non threatening position (this is on Doc please both get them deeper on entry passes you nuff nuff)
Also on the receive he sometimes lacks the understanding of the offensive idea when inside. There’s flashes of playmaking but that’s all there is. He’s a heavy user and a heavy scorer when fresh. When he’s not or throws up Embiid games it looks awful to me. He’s my favorite player playing but I’ll call a spade a spade if it comes to it. Look Embiid at the 3pt line when he’s gassed late getting ready to dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble no shot clock left penetrate contested mid shot or as fate would have a tendency for a turnover is not the play.

Basically play Ben like he was in College.

2. Harris is def not the player you want. We’re still a 50+ win team 2nd rnd ceiling if he disappeared tomorrow for nothing. Zero variation

3. The correct and best two man play (Ben starts on the left/right blocks or split middle near the free throw line and Embiid on the outer starting on the perimeter) and legit two man huge barricade a bucket hasn’t been used anywhere near enough. Imagine Embiid as kind of like the linebacker and Ben having two shooters in his eyesight on the inside. That’s always going to be a great results because he can take care of the ball more often than not. Also roll man/pnr/lobs and guard play with Ben just as much. When that first play is actually run and works, it works as perfectly as it sounds like. He did it with goddamn Howard. Why that play shouldn’t be number one in the hand book is beyond me. Embiid can rest while Ben takes the inside play.

4. Only 2 out of 3 should be in there (that’ll solve a lot of problems). Could be first come first serve. They should have already worked it out. Ben can’t shoot fine. Do you know how easy it is being that big (Embiid or Harris for that matter) to literally get close to the post, turn around and stick your butt and pass to an oncoming 6”10” freight train with a runway. This is all very very basic basketball stuff.

5. If Doc retools the offensive structure to work towards what their strengths are and quicker rotations pulling the trigger instead of being stubborn we’d look a ton better.

6. Also for the love of god please stop moving further away after a broken down offensive scheme outer pass for a pass back again. No move forward and set a goddamn screen.

I’m telling everyone here this two game is $$$ if the coach and the two actually worked out the kinks. There are even easier solutions (Namely when Ben gets the ball on the entry pass in the post and Embiid is literally under the rim, Big guy I love you, get the seal and stick your butt out and outreach with your hands) DO NOT BACK BACK behind your defender or even worse ask for a pass when you’re behind. That’s just an understanding issue to me.

Why are we up in arms saying it cant work? It’s two bigs: One is a Playmaking roll man, screen setting power forward that should receive more on the inside (that’s on the coach) and the other is a huge shot happy and heavy scoring Center it’s not the end of the world.

In fact on description it should work fairly easily.

There problem solved.

[DCasey91]

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“Ben’s doing a great job as a screener all night.”

Well... he’s always been our best screener and that’s not even an argument there.

Watch it. Look at how much he received of the play instead of the stupid proviso of creating. I mean Richardson was handling the rock..... I’m sure we have guards that can do that surely.

0:50 - That’s the money play right there. Not executed perfectly (start it deeper) but that’s the play. You can also go heavy on body protection and just walk it to the rim

1:55 - That play is obviously money

2:34 - This is the big one. Embiid’s fault must bring that up on game study after the game and makes sure it doesn’t happen again.... it does happen though . Capela moved him aside like moving a cup of water on a table. It didn’t help that Embiid actually wanted to go there. Ben had the head on the swivel looking for him.... I mean Embiid is very hard to miss. Big guy, get in front and stick the bum out easy bucket then.

I dunno watching games again with a fresh set of eyes, outside of his FT woes and confidence Ben is acceptable on offense. He has a tendency to be in front of the play but rarely behind. I.e his eyes are already there just wanting for the other player to realize it. He plays much better fast paced though. When slowed down it’s more effective as the roll man.

I think the starting unit with no ballhandling threats didn’t help his game one bit.

Reason I’m talking about this is if Ben stays you might as well maximize him. We don’t all the time. That 100% needs to change along with himself. That’s a wait and see.

Maxey even though it’s his second year might have to be in the lineup for both.

Done and dusted that’s the final assessment for Ben.

[kuclas]

Regular season and even first round series Simmons still is elite top 24 nba player. So these clips prove that.

What happnen in hawks series was unacceptable. Ben was shook. We get it. Let’s see if he ever recovers. Or is this a nick Anderson type of shook where he gets worst. We all remember nick anderson blowing free throws in nba finals that cost the young Orlando magic a game. He was never the same.