Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

Neeva · Post #281 » by **Neeva** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:44 pm

jpatrick wrote:I can’t see Philly trading Maxey. I’m not sure we’re willing to give enough to get Simmons, how are we going to pry Simmons and Maxey (who the Philly fans love)? I also think that if Maxey is happy in Philly, he shouldn’t allow his agent to use him as a pawn. That said, no idea if he’s happy there.

Ant is also represented by Klutch. Him and Maxey worked out together pre-draft.

So Maxey is untouchable for them but not McDaniels for the wolves?

moonpie · Post #282 » by **moonpie** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:47 pm

https://theathletic.com/2797725/2021/08/31/the-timberwolves-lack-of-activity-at-power-forward-all-seemingly-points-one-way-ben-simmons/?source=user_shared_article

Krapinsky · Post #283 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:57 pm

How does a Simmons-Towns front court rank among the best in the NBA?

Ant-Lebron
Towns-Simmons
Embiid-Harris
Capela-Collins
Jokic-Porer Jr.
Valanciunas-Zion

SO_MONEY · Post #284 » by **SO_MONEY** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:00 pm

jpatrick wrote:I can’t see Philly trading Maxey. I’m not sure we’re willing to give enough to get Simmons, how are we going to pry Simmons and Maxey (who the Philly fans love)? I also think that if Maxey is happy in Philly, he shouldn’t allow his agent to use him as a pawn. That said, no idea if he’s happy there.

Ant is also represented by Klutch. Him and Maxey worked out together pre-draft.

I think it is less not being happy and more the agents giving the middle finger to PHI for their behavior. Now they devalue two assets...

Anyways, it is getting ugly...and not going to get better at this point.

Neeva · Post #285 » by **Neeva** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:04 pm

SO_MONEY wrote:
jpatrick wrote:I can’t see Philly trading Maxey. I’m not sure we’re willing to give enough to get Simmons, how are we going to pry Simmons and Maxey (who the Philly fans love)? I also think that if Maxey is happy in Philly, he shouldn’t allow his agent to use him as a pawn. That said, no idea if he’s happy there.

Ant is also represented by Klutch. Him and Maxey worked out together pre-draft.

I think it is less not being happy and more the agents giving the middle finger to PHI for their behavior. Now they devalue two assets...

Anyways, it is getting ugly...and not going to get better at this point.

Let it fester till Morey faces reality.

shrink · Post #286 » by **shrink** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:05 pm

Klomp wrote:
shrink wrote:I’ll need to see it first before I think we’ll draw free agents even if we are a contender, and that’s overlooking the issue of how we’d pay them. I look at Milwaukee, and half their roster was unplayable.

And it didn't matter for Milwaukee, because they assembled star power at the top.

It didn’t matter because they didn’t play LAL or BRK at full strength, because .. HEY LOOK! THE TOPIC! .. injuries to “assembled star power at the top” based team is no sure pathway to success.

This is getting frustrating, because it seems like that was yet another meaningless contradictions. Especially when some of the people opposed to the trade demand specifics, but completely overlook the specifics when they don’t fit their case.

Do you believe MIN will draw free agents if they improve, when Milwaukee could not? And MIL’s three at the top are better than ours.

moonpie · Post #287 » by **moonpie** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:14 pm

Apparently Jon Krawczynski was on Dan Barreiro's show earlier and his sources have indicated to him that Simmons is open to playing in Minnesota.

KGdaBom · Post #288 » by **KGdaBom** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:19 pm

Neeva wrote:
jpatrick wrote:I can’t see Philly trading Maxey. I’m not sure we’re willing to give enough to get Simmons, how are we going to pry Simmons and Maxey (who the Philly fans love)? I also think that if Maxey is happy in Philly, he shouldn’t allow his agent to use him as a pawn. That said, no idea if he’s happy there.

Ant is also represented by Klutch. Him and Maxey worked out together pre-draft.

So Maxey is untouchable for them but not McDaniels for the wolves?

I doubt if Maxey is untouchable, but he shouldn't be a throw in along with giving us Simmons.

IceManBK1 · Post #289 » by **IceManBK1** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:24 pm

moonpie wrote:Apparently Jon Krawczynski was on Dan Barreiro's show earlier and his sources have indicated to him that Simmons is open to playing in Minnesota.

good news..so both simmons and maxey wants out..that's easy

maxey, beasley, Reid, layman, okogie, two lotto protected 1sts and one 2nd to Toronto

Dragic and Siakam to Philly

Simmons to Min

moonpie · Post #290 » by **moonpie** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:25 pm

Read on Twitter

shrink · Post #291 » by **shrink** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:26 pm

Maxie threats are Klutch really flexing their muscles. PHI has treated Simmons badly, and Klutch is threatening to discourage other clients from going there as well.

I don’t like it, but if Morey doesn’t make a trade soon, he will seriously hurt the Sixers future.

SO_MONEY · Post #292 » by **SO_MONEY** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:31 pm

shrink wrote:Maxie threats are Klutch really flexing their muscles. PHI has treated Simmons badly, and Klutch is threatening to discourage other clients from going there as well.

I don’t like it, but if Morey doesn’t make a trade soon, he will seriously hurt the Sixers future.

Short-term anyways.

KGdaBom · Post #293 » by **KGdaBom** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:38 pm

I'm starting to actually believe Simmons will be a Timberwolf this season.

moonpie · Post #294 » by **moonpie** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:41 pm

Read on Twitter

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Krapinsky · Post #295 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:48 pm

KGdaBom wrote:I'm starting to actually believe Simmons will be a Timberwolf this season.

Kings or Wolves would be my guess.

FinnTheHuman · Post #296 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:50 pm

KGdaBom wrote:I'm starting to actually believe Simmons will be a Timberwolf this season.

I've seen like 5 different fan bases say that today on general board. Kinda hard to assess how good our package is and what the other franchises are willing to give up. Can we beat a Toronto package if they are willing to send Siakam/VanVleet/picks for Simmons/Maxey/filler? Can we beat an offer centered around CJ McCollum? Or a Chicago offer sending Lavine the other way? Or Beal for Simmons and Maxey? Who knows what others are gonna offer.

KGdaBom · Post #297 » by **KGdaBom** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:58 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:I'm starting to actually believe Simmons will be a Timberwolf this season.

I've seen like 5 different fan bases say that today on general board. Kinda hard to assess how good our package is and what the other franchises are willing to give up. Can we beat a Toronto package if they are willing to send Siakam/VanVleet/picks for Simmons/Maxey/filler? Can we beat an offer centered around CJ McCollum? Or a Chicago offer sending Lavine the other way? Or Beal for Simmons and Maxey? Who knows what others are gonna offer.

I don't believe others are going to offer anything as good as what you proposed here.

shrink · Post #298 » by **shrink** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:05 pm

Just keep in mind the timing. The Prince and Beverley trades are official, so they can’t be used for a couple months (maybe a bit less with the constricted offseason) to aggregate salary for us to match Simmons’ $31.6 mil salary.

If PHI feels pressured to trade Ben immediately to avoid the wrath of Klutch, we’d need to include DLo, or everybody needs to wait. We need to send out at least $25.2 mil.

Edit: good news. Prince can be aggregated September 12th. Beverley October 1st. Prince + Beasley = $29.4 mil in outgoing salary.

jpatrick · Post #299 » by **jpatrick** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:08 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:I'm starting to actually believe Simmons will be a Timberwolf this season.

Kings or Wolves would be my guess.

This is where I’m at. If the Kings put Haliburton or Fox on the table, I think he goes to Sac.

Spurs are there too. But Murray, who I thought would be a major part of their offer, is a Klutch client. Not sure that’ll fly.

What I think Rosas wants to deal: Beasley, Prince, and all the very lightly protected picks/swaps he can offer.

What I think his final offer will be: DLo, Beasley, two protected firsts. I don’t think he offers DLo and McDaniels. Or at least I hope he doesn’t.

FinnTheHuman · Post #300 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:09 pm

shrink wrote:Just keep in mind the timing. The Prince and Beverley trades are official, so they can’t be used for a couple months (maybe a bit less with the constricted offseason) to aggregate salary for us to match Simmons’ $31.6 mil salary.

If PHI feels pressured to trade Ben immediately to avoid the wrath of Klutch, we’d need to include DLo, or everybody needs to wait. We need to send out at least $25.2 mil.

I mean, we're supposed to send DLo the other way, idk why everybody is so enamored with keeping him. He's 3rd on my list of who to keep between him, McDaniels and Beasley. If they'd take DLo and 3 firsts, I'm down to do that.