Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[bondom34]

So

1. He was getting paid.

2. He's still resting games due to this injury. He did so in Toronto and currently does so. He's not denying it that I've seen at all, or even heard of and both his future teams proactively rest him.

So... they're not really similar and Kawhi didn't sit out like this. He had a diagnosis from a doctor, just not the Spurs doctor. Simmons does not.

Oh, sure, the situation is different in the sense that Simmons has not claimed to be injured (yet). That may be coming. More likely this is going to be analogous to the Harden situation, which Morey also tried to call his bluff on. The dude will just come in and dog it.

That's a possibility as I stated earlier. Though Morey wasn't in Houston when Harden was traded either. TBH I still don't think the Sixers are terribly pressured any more than they were a day ago. Morey's good at what he does.

[Couch Potato]

I’m gonna vote gsw because it’d be unwise for anyone other than LA or GS to trade for him. And Draymond may have irked management with that KD interview to enough of a degree for them to waive their feeling of loyalty towards him. So like draymond and a youngster (and maybe a first) for Simmons.

What's the maybe first? Draymond doesn't hold much value. Warriors have a Wolves pick or what?

[jpatrick]

The team who had consistently shown the most interest in Ben Simmons, Minnesota, will get their guy. The issue is, how?

I think it has to involve Anthony Edwards. The Wolves would love to move D'Angelo instead, but I think that KAT is still bound and determined to keep his BFF.

Philly would prefer a more playoff-ready player in return, so they are probably gauging AE interest to see which potential 3rd teams are ga-ga over him. If they can't return an exciting haul, they'll probably take him and hope he matures around Doc.

I think Rosas would like to give Beasley, Beverly, and as many picks/swaps as possible. But DLo/Beasley and a couple picks will end up being the deal. Right to Bolmaro may go out. Hopefully Rosas can hang onto McDaniels. No chance Edwards is in the deal (especially no chance since he’s a Rich Paul client).

[Dr Positivity]

Philadelphia trades:
Ben Simmons
Furkan Korkmaz
Tyrese Maxey
2022 1st, 2023 pick swap, 2024 pick swap, 2026 pick swap, 2027 1st, 2028 pick swap, 2029 1st, 2022 MIN/MIA 2nd

Philadelphia gets:
Damian Lillard

Minnesota trades:
Anthony Edwards
Taurean Prince
Patrick Beverley

Minnesota gets:
Ben Simmons

Portland trades:
Damian Lillard

Portland gets:
Anthony Edwards
Furkan Korkmaz
Tyrese Maxey
Patrick Beverley
Taurean Prince
2022 PHI pick swap, 2023 PHI 1st, 2024 PHI pick swap, 2026 PHI pick swap, 2027 PHI 1st, 2028 PHI pick swap, 2029 PHI 1st, 2022 MIN/MIA 2nd

I think the trade would have to be completed on October 16th ish to re-trade Beverley

Why for Philadelphia? They go all in with Lillard+Embiid. The Simmons situation is deteriorating so they manage to turn a mess into Lillard by offering the diet Billy King package in addition (they already owe 2025 1st to OKC which messes it up a bit).

Why for Minnesota? While losing Edwards is painful they decide to go all in on the KAT era, as Simmons is a really nice fit with his game. They don't dump Russell cause he's still KAT's friend, and he also fits nicely with Simmons.

Why for Portland? They get a Davis to LA type package for Lillard, with a #1 pick in Edwards, Maxey and lots of picks. Olshay gets to rebuild instead of getting fired if they go all in on Lillard for one more year and fail.

[Resistance]

I’m gonna vote gsw because it’d be unwise for anyone other than LA or GS to trade for him. And Draymond may have irked management with that KD interview to enough of a degree for them to waive their feeling of loyalty towards him. So like draymond and a youngster (and maybe a first) for Simmons.

What's the maybe first? Draymond doesn't hold much value. Warriors have a Wolves pick or what?

Golden State owes a first to Memphis and thus is overall net negative on first round picks.

I am still wading through the protections on the incoming and outgoing second round picks.

[Kordic27]

I’m gonna vote gsw because it’d be unwise for anyone other than LA or GS to trade for him. And Draymond may have irked management with that KD interview to enough of a degree for them to waive their feeling of loyalty towards him. So like draymond and a youngster (and maybe a first) for Simmons.

What's the maybe first? Draymond doesn't hold much value. Warriors have a Wolves pick or what?

I sort of look at it as only 3 teams bidding for Simmons - la, la, or gsw. Of those three, gsw is the only team with anything at all of tradeable value. Draymond is a win now move, Kuminga, say, is win later or tradeable asset, and maybe a first (but maybe not, if golden state tells philly to maybe check out what they can get from the Lakers or clippers). I see it as only one of those teams because Ben clearly wants to go to one of those teams, and we’re currently witnessing what he’s willing to do if he’s on a team he doesn’t want to be on.

[penbeast0]

I have no trouble with a Simmons for Edwards swap, though TWolves fans have been saying no all offseason. I just don't think Lilliard is worth this any more to anyone but Portland.

[Nate the Great]

The Kings make the most sense, in my opinion.

Simmons’ playoff issues shouldn’t matter as much to a team that could break the record for consecutive lottery seasons. Simmons would probably get them to the playoffs, and that should be enough for the moment.

They have scoring, They need defense.

They have point guards to trade; the Sixers would need a PG coming back.

Simmons said he wanted to play in California (although he probably wasn’t talking about Sacramento). The Sixers would probably prefer to send Simmons west.

Simmons is a name player who would probably sell some tickets.

[Kordic27]

I’m a bit confused by the trade proposals to Indy or Minnesota or anywhere that’s not in California. Why would any of these teams trade for a guy who is pretty obvious about where he wants to/is willing to play?

[Mykhyn]

Feel like he's pretty perfect for what the Spurs want and they have the logical assets to throw at it. Lonnie Walker + Dejounte or White + Thad + pick(s) for Simmons + Thybulle

76ers get 3 win now pieces and some picks to turn them into something more later maybe. Lonnie would be an amazing 6th man for them.


I really just want to see the defense of White/Vassell/Keldon/Simmons/Poeltl(or if we could turn him into Kleber..)

[parsnips33]

Warriors have some pressure to trade for a star (as much as they deny it, it's still there) and one has become available and has requested GSW specifically. Not a sure thing, but I could certainly see it

[Jay_Sizzle]

If Ant Edwards was off the table before today, I don't see anyway he is now available for Simmons. My best guess is he goes to Portland for CJ and pieces.

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[moonpie]

Jon Krawczynski (Minny reporter and also part of The Athletic) was on local KFAN radio host Dan Barreiro's show earlier and his sources have indicated to him that Simmons is open to playing in Minnesota FWIW

[kobe_vs_jordan]

If I'm Denver , I put MPJ on the table for Simmons. Simmons skillset fits great with Murray and Jokic. They provide spacing and he can focus on fast break and playing off ball. Gives them a nice defensive boost also.

I think he fits badly with Jokic. Simmons does two things on offense: (1) handle the ball and play-make or (2) stand in the dunker spot.

If Simmons is handling the ball, he's taking it out of Jokic's hands, and Jokic is a better playmaker. If Simmons is standing in the dunker spot, he's clogging the offense.

Difficult thing with a Simmons trade is to send him somewhere that he can be the primary ball handler and play maker with good spacing at all 4 other spots. It's why Minnesota makes so much sense.

Most teams the guy standing in the dunker spot is the center. Jokic handling the ball on the perimeter allows Simmons to stand in the dunks spot without clogging thinks up. Denver can provide spacing and let him operating as a secondary ball hander.

Not like Simmons going to demand the ball. We already seen him defer to Emiid. Also you're ignoring how he fits great with them defensively.

[LightTheBeam]

I'm not trading Edwards for Simmons if I'm Minnesota.

[loserX]

Philadelphia trades:
Ben Simmons

Merged with containment thread, quoting you so you can find it

[Wolveswin]

Philadelphia trades:
Ben Simmons
Furkan Korkmaz
Tyrese Maxey
2022 1st, 2023 pick swap, 2024 pick swap, 2026 pick swap, 2027 1st, 2028 pick swap, 2029 1st, 2022 MIN/MIA 2nd

Philadelphia gets:
Damian Lillard

Minnesota trades:
Anthony Edwards
Taurean Prince
Patrick Beverley

Minnesota gets:
Ben Simmons

Portland trades:
Damian Lillard

Portland gets:
Anthony Edwards
Furkan Korkmaz
Tyrese Maxey
Patrick Beverley
Taurean Prince
2022 PHI pick swap, 2023 PHI 1st, 2024 PHI pick swap, 2026 PHI pick swap, 2027 PHI 1st, 2028 PHI pick swap, 2029 PHI 1st, 2022 MIN/MIA 2nd

I think the trade would have to be completed on October 16th ish to re-trade Beverley

Why for Philadelphia? They go all in with Lillard+Embiid. The Simmons situation is deteriorating so they manage to turn a mess into Lillard by offering the diet Billy King package in addition (they already owe 2025 1st to OKC which messes it up a bit).

Why for Minnesota? While losing Edwards is painful they decide to go all in on the KAT era, as Simmons is a really nice fit with his game. They don't dump Russell cause he's still KAT's friend, and he also fits nicely with Simmons.

Why for Portland? They get a Davis to LA type package for Lillard, with a #1 pick in Edwards, Maxey and lots of picks. Olshay gets to rebuild instead of getting fired if they go all in on Lillard for one more year and fail.

Wolves will not do Edwards for Simmons swap. Needs to be Simmons++. Even thence, most likely a no.

Edwards > Simmons (value wise).

[zimpy27]

I think a joker up the sleeve for Philly would be to trade Simmons for assets that a team like the Blazers would be interested in if they trade Lillard. Philly just need a playmaker to help the team now.

I think OKC is the perfect team to trade with, in this situation:
- They just got an Australian playmaker with wing-size that claims to be similar to Simmons without the athleticism but with a jumpshot. Talking about Josh Giddey.
- They also have a bevy of interesting picks and OKC have enough cap space to swallow Ben whole and give Philly a big TPE.
- They are in different conferences.
- Philly could push Maxey in (if report true) as long as they got more picks for it.

So, in this situation I want to know from the good people here, what pick package from OKC with Giddey would need to be given to get Simmons?

[Scoot McGroot]

Philadelphia trades:
Ben Simmons
Furkan Korkmaz
Tyrese Maxey
2022 1st, 2023 pick swap, 2024 pick swap, 2026 pick swap, 2027 1st, 2028 pick swap, 2029 1st, 2022 MIN/MIA 2nd

Philadelphia gets:
Damian Lillard

Minnesota trades:
Anthony Edwards
Taurean Prince
Patrick Beverley

Minnesota gets:
Ben Simmons

Portland trades:
Damian Lillard

Portland gets:
Anthony Edwards
Furkan Korkmaz
Tyrese Maxey
Patrick Beverley
Taurean Prince
2022 PHI pick swap, 2023 PHI 1st, 2024 PHI pick swap, 2026 PHI pick swap, 2027 PHI 1st, 2028 PHI pick swap, 2029 PHI 1st, 2022 MIN/MIA 2nd

I think the trade would have to be completed on October 16th ish to re-trade Beverley

Why for Philadelphia? They go all in with Lillard+Embiid. The Simmons situation is deteriorating so they manage to turn a mess into Lillard by offering the diet Billy King package in addition (they already owe 2025 1st to OKC which messes it up a bit).

Why for Minnesota? While losing Edwards is painful they decide to go all in on the KAT era, as Simmons is a really nice fit with his game. They don't dump Russell cause he's still KAT's friend, and he also fits nicely with Simmons.

Why for Portland? They get a Davis to LA type package for Lillard, with a #1 pick in Edwards, Maxey and lots of picks. Olshay gets to rebuild instead of getting fired if they go all in on Lillard for one more year and fail.

2029 picks can’t be traded out. Can only trade 7 drafts into the future. 2028 is the furthest at this point.

[kuclas]

Simmons for DLo and FRPs could happen IMO. That gives Minny a really nice team and gives Philly a win-now player with solid trade assets in case Lillard shakes free.

I believe Philly need to trade Simmons for assets that Blazers would want in a trade.

Not gonna to happen. Dlo is not that good. And he makes the same as Simmons.

Look I think Simmons is a perfect fit in Minnesota fo help out the defense with towns on perimeter also. But DLo and picks is not gonna to do if. That’s why Minnesota was searching for third team.