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Re: 2021 Knicks Offseason-Training Camp News and Videos 

Post#401 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:48 pm

stuporman wrote:
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stuporman wrote:Using the HS scouting report of some random player who didn't really make it as an example to support your opinion is the same as using the HS scouting report of a player who became a star in the league to support your opinion.

It's not evidence of anything about the other player you are making the claim about... it's absolutely useless.

Who’s using HS scouting reports?


You're missing the point, whether it's scouting from HS or college or even SL or whatever...players change alot over time even from the start of their career but they all look really good compared to their peers early on otherwise they wouldn't have gotten to the NBA.

So it's not really useful to use an example of some other player's scouting to make a point about another player, everyone is different and every circumstance is unique. Plus one never really knows who has the inner component that separates the good from the great because they all have some of it to a degree.

There are just some guys who can turn it up a notch when they are faced with the toughest challenge. Like with Randle, he's shown a next level amount of determination that wasn't revealed until he was put to the test that some may have shrunk from and we wouldn't know who is which until it plays out.

I don't know what you're talking about when you say using someone else's scouting report to describe another player. I haven't seen anyone do that.

I feel like you're targeting my posts about Grimes and his high school stuff. I watched his games in high school. He was a PG back then, which explains why he was throwing dimes in SL that people didn't expect to see. That's all I was saying.

Remember IQ in college didn't do much playmaking either.. but in HS he was a PG. He's been showing his playmaking skills lately that people didn't know existed.
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Re: 2021 Knicks Offseason-Training Camp News and Videos 

Post#402 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:51 pm

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Well damn. RJ hitting pull ups and side steps :o
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Post#403 » by Juggynaut » Wed Sep 1, 2021 12:15 am

RJ Barrett doubters gonna be crying when he becomes an allstar. 8-)
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Re: 2021 Knicks Offseason-Training Camp News and Videos 

Post#404 » by stuporman » Wed Sep 1, 2021 12:48 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:Who’s using HS scouting reports?


You're missing the point, whether it's scouting from HS or college or even SL or whatever...players change alot over time even from the start of their career but they all look really good compared to their peers early on otherwise they wouldn't have gotten to the NBA.

So it's not really useful to use an example of some other player's scouting to make a point about another player, everyone is different and every circumstance is unique. Plus one never really knows who has the inner component that separates the good from the great because they all have some of it to a degree.

There are just some guys who can turn it up a notch when they are faced with the toughest challenge. Like with Randle, he's shown a next level amount of determination that wasn't revealed until he was put to the test that some may have shrunk from and we wouldn't know who is which until it plays out.

I don't know what you're talking about when you say using someone else's scouting report to describe another player. I haven't seen anyone do that.

I feel like you're targeting my posts about Grimes and his high school stuff. I watched his games in high school. He was a PG back then, which explains why he was throwing dimes in SL that people didn't expect to see. That's all I was saying.

Remember IQ in college didn't do much playmaking either.. but in HS he was a PG. He's been showing his playmaking skills lately that people didn't know existed.


This is because I didn't do that.

I said use another player's scouting report as an example ...not a description. Then all the other things I said about it yet you are still so unable to understand because you didn't pick up what I'm really saying and so sensitive thinking people are talking about you...when I'm not.

Let me spell it out and see if you can finally understand.

Somebody uses the reasoning 'player X was able to do it in HS/College but weren't able to do it in the NBA' as away of suggesting the present player they are making the point about won't be able to either.

See how this reasoning would be flawed? Two different players and different circumstances so just because players in the past did or didn't do something doesn't mean it applies to the current player.

I wasn't even addressing anything you said, just how I see people try to make examples of the past as a unwavering template of what to expect in the present. This isn't accurate.

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Re: 2021 Knicks Offseason-Training Camp News and Videos 

Post#405 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:13 am

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You're missing the point, whether it's scouting from HS or college or even SL or whatever...players change alot over time even from the start of their career but they all look really good compared to their peers early on otherwise they wouldn't have gotten to the NBA.

So it's not really useful to use an example of some other player's scouting to make a point about another player, everyone is different and every circumstance is unique. Plus one never really knows who has the inner component that separates the good from the great because they all have some of it to a degree.

There are just some guys who can turn it up a notch when they are faced with the toughest challenge. Like with Randle, he's shown a next level amount of determination that wasn't revealed until he was put to the test that some may have shrunk from and we wouldn't know who is which until it plays out.

I don't know what you're talking about when you say using someone else's scouting report to describe another player. I haven't seen anyone do that.

I feel like you're targeting my posts about Grimes and his high school stuff. I watched his games in high school. He was a PG back then, which explains why he was throwing dimes in SL that people didn't expect to see. That's all I was saying.

Remember IQ in college didn't do much playmaking either.. but in HS he was a PG. He's been showing his playmaking skills lately that people didn't know existed.


This is because I didn't do that.

I said use another player's scouting report as an example ...not a description. Then all the other things I said about it yet you are still so unable to understand because you didn't pick up what I'm really saying and so sensitive thinking people are talking about you...when I'm not.

Let me spell it out and see if you can finally understand.

Somebody uses the reasoning 'player X was able to do it in HS/College but weren't able to do it in the NBA' as away of suggesting the present player they are making the point about won't be able to either.

See how this reasoning would be flawed? Two different players and different circumstances so just because players in the past did or didn't do something doesn't mean it applies to the current player.

I wasn't even addressing anything you said, just how I see people try to make examples of the past as a unwavering template of what to expect in the present. This isn't accurate.

Do you understand now?


You need to relax. You seem to be pretty triggered since I asked for clarity on your post. Lol

And yes I understand. All that aggression about me being “sensitive” and needing to “spell it out” was a bit hostile for no reason though. I just didn’t get your post at first because you were making references that didn’t make any sense to me. So thanks for the clarification.
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Re: 2021 Knicks Offseason-Training Camp News and Videos 

Post#406 » by stuporman » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:40 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:I don't know what you're talking about when you say using someone else's scouting report to describe another player. I haven't seen anyone do that.

I feel like you're targeting my posts about Grimes and his high school stuff. I watched his games in high school. He was a PG back then, which explains why he was throwing dimes in SL that people didn't expect to see. That's all I was saying.

Remember IQ in college didn't do much playmaking either.. but in HS he was a PG. He's been showing his playmaking skills lately that people didn't know existed.


This is because I didn't do that.

I said use another player's scouting report as an example ...not a description. Then all the other things I said about it yet you are still so unable to understand because you didn't pick up what I'm really saying and so sensitive thinking people are talking about you...when I'm not.

Let me spell it out and see if you can finally understand.

Somebody uses the reasoning 'player X was able to do it in HS/College but weren't able to do it in the NBA' as away of suggesting the present player they are making the point about won't be able to either.

See how this reasoning would be flawed? Two different players and different circumstances so just because players in the past did or didn't do something doesn't mean it applies to the current player.

I wasn't even addressing anything you said, just how I see people try to make examples of the past as a unwavering template of what to expect in the present. This isn't accurate.

Do you understand now?


You need to relax. You seem to be pretty triggered since I asked for clarity on your post. Lol

And yes I understand. All that aggression about me being “sensitive” and needing to “spell it out” was a bit hostile for no reason though. I just didn’t get your post at first because you were making references that didn’t make any sense to me. So thanks for the clarification.


You're projecting once again....you are one of the most sensitive and petty posters on the forum. :lol:
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Re: 2021 Knicks Offseason-Training Camp News and Videos 

Post#407 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:03 am

stuporman wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
stuporman wrote:
This is because I didn't do that.

I said use another player's scouting report as an example ...not a description. Then all the other things I said about it yet you are still so unable to understand because you didn't pick up what I'm really saying and so sensitive thinking people are talking about you...when I'm not.

Let me spell it out and see if you can finally understand.

Somebody uses the reasoning 'player X was able to do it in HS/College but weren't able to do it in the NBA' as away of suggesting the present player they are making the point about won't be able to either.

See how this reasoning would be flawed? Two different players and different circumstances so just because players in the past did or didn't do something doesn't mean it applies to the current player.

I wasn't even addressing anything you said, just how I see people try to make examples of the past as a unwavering template of what to expect in the present. This isn't accurate.

Do you understand now?


You need to relax. You seem to be pretty triggered since I asked for clarity on your post. Lol

And yes I understand. All that aggression about me being “sensitive” and needing to “spell it out” was a bit hostile for no reason though. I just didn’t get your post at first because you were making references that didn’t make any sense to me. So thanks for the clarification.


You're projecting once again....you are one of the most sensitive and petty posters on the forum. :lol:

Always so hostile and resorting to personal attacks. I hope one day you grow up and learn how to be mature. Good luck. Enjoy your night!
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Post#408 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:23 am

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Post#409 » by DOT » Wed Sep 1, 2021 3:38 am

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:One of the things I really wanted to see from RJ is him pulling up from three when someone goes under a screen on him and it looks like that’s what he’s been working on.

That's the next step for him, and how he gets to a star level

Really, it's something we missed all of last year for the most part, cause only Quick and Burks could really do it, and then only inconsistently. Same thing Randle needs, him and RJ were both 40% shooters last year, but neither could really pull up.
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Post#410 » by DaGawd » Wed Sep 1, 2021 3:50 am

Juggynaut wrote:RJ Barrett doubters gonna be crying when he becomes an allstar. 8-)

Tears of joy yes
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Post#411 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Sep 1, 2021 4:08 am

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:One of the things I really wanted to see from RJ is him pulling up from three when someone goes under a screen on him and it looks like that’s what he’s been working on.

That's the next step for him, and how he gets to a star level

Really, it's something we missed all of last year for the most part, cause only Quick and Burks could really do it, and then only inconsistently. Same thing Randle needs, him and RJ were both 40% shooters last year, but neither could really pull up.



I thought Randle had a pretty decent pull game last year. Not great but certainly better than RJ's. It's definitely a good idea to have RJ hang out with Beal and Tatum. Idk if you watched the whole video and not just the RJ parts but Tatum was nasty in it. So go get tips from him, RJ.. please :lol: Def like the perks of one of our players working out with a superstar trainer. Adding the pull up game should help his finishing if his defender is forced to go over the screen.
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Post#412 » by FreeSpiritNY » Wed Sep 1, 2021 4:24 am

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I think it was more likely he was burnt out after leading the league in minutes. Whatever the reason, there was more than fatigue contributing to it as he clearly had the yips and played very poorly in the playoffs. The contrast between reg season and the playoffs couldn’t have been more stark.

But I’m now of the mind that he will learn from it and be a better player because of his meltdown. Randle is not a fragile ego. He knows he has to do better when it counts and he is going to put in the work to adjust his game. I was more concerned about having a good backcourt than Randle and now that the FO addressed that nicely I’m not so worried about Randle. He’ll have more support and the offense will be able to spread the floor more and he should be able to make teams pay for double teaming him by the time of the next playoff series.



I’ll play devils advocate. I think the fans did play part of it along with the pressure of him carrying the team with a contract on the line.


But if this man can go from what he was the year before last year to last year then I have all the faith in him to make it a non worry. This man knows how to work on his faults and he is very humble and in ny eyes honestly is a good man and good father. Randle is really starting to grow on me.

Randle I feel like did take the extra money also so he can build a team around him while also not worrying about being a max player and being hated 90% of the time.


I respect him so much for what he is doing for New York. To be honest if he can get us to the finals he will be looked at like Patrick Ewing risqué


P.S I’m not saying we are final contender talking as a hypothetical.

God bless my fellow knicks fans. We actually have a team to really look forward to watching. With a front office that knows what they are doing. Young players. A great coach and some nice vets.

Honestly it Kemba balls out that’s a all star appearance and if randle doesn’t decline that’s a all start performance and who knows how much rj is going to grow.

Dude imagine we have three Allstars with flexibility and assets... ok I’m dreaming a little time for me to shut up haha. God bless you all.


Randle is definitely someone I am rooting for. He’ll bleed orange and blue if he can.


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Post#413 » by KnixtapeH20 » Wed Sep 1, 2021 5:07 am

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Post#414 » by stuporman » Wed Sep 1, 2021 5:53 am

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You need to relax. You seem to be pretty triggered since I asked for clarity on your post. Lol

And yes I understand. All that aggression about me being “sensitive” and needing to “spell it out” was a bit hostile for no reason though. I just didn’t get your post at first because you were making references that didn’t make any sense to me. So thanks for the clarification.


You're projecting once again....you are one of the most sensitive and petty posters on the forum. :lol:

Always so hostile and resorting to personal attacks. I hope one day you grow up and learn how to be mature. Good luck. Enjoy your night!


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Post#415 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 1, 2021 7:12 am

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Juggynaut wrote:RJ Barrett doubters gonna be crying when he becomes an allstar. 8-)

Tears of joy yes


... and surprised, pleasantly.
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Post#416 » by DaGawd » Wed Sep 1, 2021 7:14 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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Juggynaut wrote:RJ Barrett doubters gonna be crying when he becomes an allstar. 8-)

Tears of joy yes


... and surprised, pleasantly.

I hate that this video is getting me so excited.. but he stood out as one of the better players out there along with Tatum
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Post#417 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 1, 2021 7:18 am

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stuporman wrote:
You're projecting once again....you are one of the most sensitive and petty posters on the forum. :lol:

Always so hostile and resorting to personal attacks. I hope one day you grow up and learn how to be mature. Good luck. Enjoy your night!


Whatever you say right after attacking me but I'm the one... sure buddy :blank:


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Post#418 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 1, 2021 7:21 am

DaGawd wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
DaGawd wrote:Tears of joy yes


... and surprised, pleasantly.

I hate that this video is getting me so excited.. but he stood out as one of the better players out there along with Tatum


Except RJ will be the 4th option on the starting five. 3B at best.

I'm expecting/hoping RJ takes it to the next level. I haven't watch the video. It's just a pick-up scrimmage.

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Post#419 » by stuporman » Wed Sep 1, 2021 5:15 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Always so hostile and resorting to personal attacks. I hope one day you grow up and learn how to be mature. Good luck. Enjoy your night!


Whatever you say right after attacking me but I'm the one... sure buddy :blank:


Will you two stop fighting and go to bed. I have to get up in the morning.


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Post#420 » by stuporman » Wed Sep 1, 2021 5:28 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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... and surprised, pleasantly.

I hate that this video is getting me so excited.. but he stood out as one of the better players out there along with Tatum


Except RJ will be the 4th option on the starting five. 3B at best.

I'm expecting/hoping RJ takes it to the next level. I haven't watch the video. It's just a pick-up scrimmage.

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Yea, it's going to be tough for RJ to get enough touches to make that 'all-star' leap this season. I'm more interested in seeing him develop his game in areas people think he's weaker in like off the dribble/pull up shots, finishing around the rim and using his right hand altogether.

He has a chance to be more efficient offensively with the added offensive talent around him especially at PG. So even if he doesn't 'take a leap' this season he can show the promise of that leap with how his game fills out and may get the chance in a couple years when the opportunity presents itself.

He's such a team player I don't see him pushing for the type of role or demanding the ball enough to get the raw stats that impress fans or even coaches to vote him as an all-star. His role presently will probably be more like a very toolsy glue guy that does whatever the team needs to win games.
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