Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[BoogieTime]

Prefer to send CJ than Nurk and Powell

I'm sure, but let's say that CJ is off the table for Philly because of age, and/or off the table for Portland because Lillard wants him to stay, could that be something of interest in either event?

One of my worries with Simmons is that if Portland ships out Dame's #2 and it doesn't work out, for whatever reason, that would likely mean Dame asks to leave Portland as well, so I think we should admit there is some merit to considering a trade based around Powell.

It looks like Lillard is suggesting they do that. I doubt he's liking a Simmons tweet because he believes picks/Powell/Simons and whoever gets it done. The Blazers might be concerned if they don't make the move he'd ask out

[jpatrick]

I'm sure, but let's say that CJ is off the table for Philly because of age, and/or off the table for Portland because Lillard wants him to stay, could that be something of interest in either event?

One of my worries with Simmons is that if Portland ships out Dame's #2 and it doesn't work out, for whatever reason, that would likely mean Dame asks to leave Portland as well, so I think we should admit there is some merit to considering a trade based around Powell.

It looks like Lillard is suggesting they do that. I doubt he's liking a Simmons tweet because he believes picks/Powell/Simons and whoever gets it done. The Blazers might be concerned if they don't make the move he'd ask out

What one would hope is that if Portland mortgages the future for Simmons, Lillard promises not to ask out even if things don’t go great early on.

One would think that to get Simmons, Portland might have to make that pick to Chicago unprotected, so they can give up a couple more future ones along with CJ in the Simmons deal.

Having that many future number ones traded would become a disaster if Lillard asked out, forcing Portland to go into a rebuild.

[OGSactownballer]

One of my worries with Simmons is that if Portland ships out Dame's #2 and it doesn't work out, for whatever reason, that would likely mean Dame asks to leave Portland as well, so I think we should admit there is some merit to considering a trade based around Powell.

It looks like Lillard is suggesting they do that. I doubt he's liking a Simmons tweet because he believes picks/Powell/Simons and whoever gets it done. The Blazers might be concerned if they don't make the move he'd ask out

What one would hope is that if Portland mortgages the future for Simmons, Lillard promises not to ask out even if things don’t go great early on.

One would think that to get Simmons, Portland might have to make that pick to Chicago unprotected, so they can give up a couple more future ones along with CJ in the Simmons deal.

Having that many future number ones traded would become a disaster if Lillard asked out, forcing Portland to go into a rebuild.

And that is a risk that I feel - as an observer - is too much.

The 50/50 that it all works still runs you up against that Laker team in the conference finals or Nets/MiL in the finals.

I don’t think that team is good enough to win both those matchups or possibly even one.

Then what? Same is getting older and those teams stay there the next 2/3 years and he starts dropping off.

I think he asks out I. Which case that entire thing blows up and you are plunged into bottom treading fir at least several years fir a fan base that is used to being perennially in the playoffs for the better part of thirty years.

That’s a lot of risk. It’s not at all like us just trying to break out of a slump and get into seeing playoffs. The potential value is much greater because we are still years away from looking at trying for a chip with nowhere to go but up.

[Devilanche]

Hield, haliburton and Bagley to Philly

I think right now kings aren’t even offering haliburton.

It's Hield+Hali+Bagley percieved as more value than Beasley+McDaniels+Reid?

For me yes .
Beasley >>> hield
Mcdaniels <<<<< haliburton (position wise this holds the key for me)
Reid > bagley ( I got Drummond as a decent minute eater behind embiid so this doesn’t really matter for me )

[NYG]

Simmons and Reed to Minnesota
Ross, Beverly, McDaniels and T'Wolves picks + swaps to Philly
Prince to Orlando

Philly gets below the luxury tax and lands some vets until a bigger follow up deal

Beverly is no longer a nba starting pg. clearly on the decline. Sixers already had the corpse formerly known as George hill


Beverly is best at 10-15 minutes a game off the bench.

Who do you think is the best fitting realistically available PG right now? Besides Dragic, I'm not sure what's out there, but you could turn Beverly and one of the picks or Maxey into a better player/fit.

[kuclas]

Simmons and Reed to Minnesota
Ross, Beverly, McDaniels and T'Wolves picks + swaps to Philly
Prince to Orlando

Philly gets below the luxury tax and lands some vets until a bigger follow up deal

Beverly is no longer a nba starting pg. clearly on the decline. Sixers already had the corpse formerly known as George hill


Beverly is best at 10-15 minutes a game off the bench.

Who do you think is the best fitting realistically available PG right now? Besides Dragic, I'm not sure what's out there, but you could turn Beverly and one of the picks or Maxey into a better player/fit.

Their biggest mistake down the stretch of those hawks games was playing Ben at the point. They won games 2/6 because of Milton and Maxey in the fourth quarter.

It’s a blow to Ben ego. But both Milton and Maxey are probably only players on Sixers outside of Embiid who can create their own offense. Now Maxey is wild. He blown by a defender than get blocked at the rim by Collins or capela in the series. But especially in game 6 when Simmons was in foul trouble. Maxey created so much pressure on hawks. They left 3 point shooters wide open for Sixers to come back. That also lead to easy layups as well. Just watch the game tape of game 6.

Milton was in the game 4th quarter as Sixers retook the lead. Than of course Ben came back and that ruin then offensive game flow.

So Embiid doesn’t need much. He just needs a capable point guard who can create some pressure in the half court. That’s not asking for much. Obviously Milton is limited in his speed/athletic ability. Maxey is not a good shooter.

But the easy solution would be to start Maxey at the point. Play him 25 minutes. Sixers have nothing to lose. If Ben wants to no show. Just let him sit. See what Maxey has.

All these trades proposed. They are all players available up to trade deadline.

I personally wouldn’t trade for Dame as everyone suggested. With Embiid injury history. Not a good idea to give up the farm. But they are better off going after fox or sexton. Sexton is the better shooter but fox is more Dynamic in terms of speed breaking down a defense. But Sacramento doesn’t want to give up fox. Maybe that changes as Sacramento is bad again.

Cleveland is tougher since they got to move salary to make sexton plus picks plus Cleveland salary (no one wants Kevin love salary).

[NYG]

Beverly is no longer a nba starting pg. clearly on the decline. Sixers already had the corpse formerly known as George hill


Beverly is best at 10-15 minutes a game off the bench.

Who do you think is the best fitting realistically available PG right now? Besides Dragic, I'm not sure what's out there, but you could turn Beverly and one of the picks or Maxey into a better player/fit.

Their biggest mistake down the stretch of those hawks games was playing Ben at the point. They won games 2/6 because of Milton and Maxey in the fourth quarter.

It’s a blow to Ben ego. But both Milton and Maxey are probably only players on Sixers outside of Embiid who can create their own offense. Now Maxey is wild. He blown by a defender than get blocked at the rim by Collins or capela in the series. But especially in game 6 when Simmons was in foul trouble. Maxey created so much pressure on hawks. They left 3 point shooters wide open for Sixers to come back. That also lead to easy layups as well. Just watch the game tape of game 6.

Milton was in the game 4th quarter as Sixers retook the lead. Than of course Ben came back and that ruin then offensive game flow.

So Embiid doesn’t need much. He just needs a capable point guard who can create some pressure in the half court. That’s not asking for much. Obviously Milton is limited in his speed/athletic ability. Maxey is not a good shooter.

But the easy solution would be to start Maxey at the point. Play him 25 minutes. Sixers have nothing to lose. If Ben wants to no show. Just let him sit. See what Maxey has.

All these trades proposed. They are all players available up to trade deadline.

I personally wouldn’t trade for Dame as everyone suggested. With Embiid injury history. Not a good idea to give up the farm. But they are better off going after fox or sexton. Sexton is the better shooter but fox is more Dynamic in terms of speed breaking down a defense. But Sacramento doesn’t want to give up fox. Maybe that changes as Sacramento is bad again.

Cleveland is tougher since they got to move salary to make sexton plus picks plus Cleveland salary (no one wants Kevin love salary).

Tobias Harris, Seth Curry and Tyrese Maxey for Collin Sexton, Cedi Osman and Kevin Love

Ben Simmons for Jaden McDaniels, Patrick Beverly, Taurean Prince and a bunch of picks/swaps

Don't have Embiid sit out the year, but limit his minutes a lot to keep him healthy.

You could potentially enter the 2022 season with 2 lotto picks (plus other picks/young talent (Thybulle, McDaniels)) and around $18-20 Million even after Sexton's cap hold if you stretch-waived Kevin Love.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I'm sure, but let's say that CJ is off the table for Philly because of age, and/or off the table for Portland because Lillard wants him to stay, could that be something of interest in either event?

One of my worries with Simmons is that if Portland ships out Dame's #2 and it doesn't work out, for whatever reason, that would likely mean Dame asks to leave Portland as well, so I think we should admit there is some merit to considering a trade based around Powell.

It looks like Lillard is suggesting they do that. I doubt he's liking a Simmons tweet because he believes picks/Powell/Simons and whoever gets it done. The Blazers might be concerned if they don't make the move he'd ask out

If he is cool with it and thinks he can make that work then I say go for it, but I wouldn't read that much into just a like yet.

[HotelVitale]

Beverly is no longer a nba starting pg. clearly on the decline. Sixers already had the corpse formerly known as George hill


Beverly is best at 10-15 minutes a game off the bench.

Who do you think is the best fitting realistically available PG right now? Besides Dragic, I'm not sure what's out there, but you could turn Beverly and one of the picks or Maxey into a better player/fit.

Their biggest mistake down the stretch of those hawks games was playing Ben at the point. They won games 2/6 because of Milton and Maxey in the fourth quarter. ).

Nah, they got some great buckets out of each guy because both happened to have one like 5 minute epic hot streak the whole series. Both guys had significant other chances and weren’t able to replicate that, or do much of anything (besides clang more jumpers like Tobias and Joel were doing). Just a couple of unsustainable hot hands, no more meaningful than when washed Lou Will played like peak Kobe against us for like 7 minutes in game 5. This reasoning doesn’t add up: “two Sixers players had one huge streak each whole playing point/combo guard, therefore any decent point/combo guard will be the answer for the Sixers 4th q woes.”

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I’ve said this many times on many threads.

The trade that makes the most sense between POR and PHI is CJ for Harris.

Not that Nance is as good as Harris as a scorer but he kind of helps fill that gap so I don't think that's a swap that helps Portland as much any more. I would rather have the defense at my PF position and keep CJ's superior shooting. Who knows, maybe Portland will come out struggling and need to look at something to switch it up but I would rather roll with what we have for now.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I’ve said this many times on many threads.

The trade that makes the most sense between POR and PHI is CJ for Harris.

Not that Nance is as good as Harris as a scorer but he kind of helps fill that gap so I don't think that's a swap that helps Portland as much any more. I would rather have the defense at my PF position and keep CJ's superior shooting. Who knows, maybe Portland will come out struggling and need to look at something to switch it up but I would rather roll with what we have for now.

[patman66]

I think right now kings aren’t even offering haliburton.

It's Hield+Hali+Bagley percieved as more value than Beasley+McDaniels+Reid?

For me yes .
Beasley >>> hield
Mcdaniels <<<<< haliburton (position wise this holds the key for me)
Reid > bagley ( I got Drummond as a decent minute eater behind embiid so this doesn’t really matter for me )

yeah but haliburton will play the point, Replacing simmons long term. Bagley has a unique skill set that can fit as part of a Emblid, Harris led frontcourt. Mcdaniels will just be competing with Green for min, as he is not going to displace Harris. Min package is a ice package it just does not match up as well with Philly's need post simmons.

[kuclas]

Who do you think is the best fitting realistically available PG right now? Besides Dragic, I'm not sure what's out there, but you could turn Beverly and one of the picks or Maxey into a better player/fit.

Their biggest mistake down the stretch of those hawks games was playing Ben at the point. They won games 2/6 because of Milton and Maxey in the fourth quarter. ).

Nah, they got some great buckets out of each guy because both happened to have one like 5 minute epic hot streak the whole series. Both guys had significant other chances and weren’t able to replicate that, or do much of anything (besides clang more jumpers like Tobias and Joel were doing). Just a couple of unsustainable hot hands, no more meaningful than when washed Lou Will played like peak Kobe against us for like 7 minutes in game 5. This reasoning doesn’t add up: “two Sixers players had one huge streak each whole playing point/combo guard, therefore any decent point/combo guard will be the answer for the Sixers 4th q woes.”

It wasn’t just that. The hack a Ben throws the Sixers offensive rhythm. Simmons missing free throws is one thing. But trying to take him out and putting him back throws everything out of whack. You lose momentum that way. And of course his passive nature just afraid to attack the basket. It’s not like Atlanta was any good defensively. Tons of opportunities.

[kuclas]

Who do you think is the best fitting realistically available PG right now? Besides Dragic, I'm not sure what's out there, but you could turn Beverly and one of the picks or Maxey into a better player/fit.

Their biggest mistake down the stretch of those hawks games was playing Ben at the point. They won games 2/6 because of Milton and Maxey in the fourth quarter.

It’s a blow to Ben ego. But both Milton and Maxey are probably only players on Sixers outside of Embiid who can create their own offense. Now Maxey is wild. He blown by a defender than get blocked at the rim by Collins or capela in the series. But especially in game 6 when Simmons was in foul trouble. Maxey created so much pressure on hawks. They left 3 point shooters wide open for Sixers to come back. That also lead to easy layups as well. Just watch the game tape of game 6.

Milton was in the game 4th quarter as Sixers retook the lead. Than of course Ben came back and that ruin then offensive game flow.

So Embiid doesn’t need much. He just needs a capable point guard who can create some pressure in the half court. That’s not asking for much. Obviously Milton is limited in his speed/athletic ability. Maxey is not a good shooter.

But the easy solution would be to start Maxey at the point. Play him 25 minutes. Sixers have nothing to lose. If Ben wants to no show. Just let him sit. See what Maxey has.

All these trades proposed. They are all players available up to trade deadline.

I personally wouldn’t trade for Dame as everyone suggested. With Embiid injury history. Not a good idea to give up the farm. But they are better off going after fox or sexton. Sexton is the better shooter but fox is more Dynamic in terms of speed breaking down a defense. But Sacramento doesn’t want to give up fox. Maybe that changes as Sacramento is bad again.

Cleveland is tougher since they got to move salary to make sexton plus picks plus Cleveland salary (no one wants Kevin love salary).

Tobias Harris, Seth Curry and Tyrese Maxey for Collin Sexton, Cedi Osman and Kevin Love

Ben Simmons for Jaden McDaniels, Patrick Beverly, Taurean Prince and a bunch of picks/swaps

Don't have Embiid sit out the year, but limit his minutes a lot to keep him healthy.

You could potentially enter the 2022 season with 2 lotto picks (plus other picks/young talent (Thybulle, McDaniels)) and around $18-20 Million even after Sexton's cap hold if you stretch-waived Kevin Love.

Those trades only make sense if Embiid goes down early with season ending injury. But those trades still wouldn’t make any sense

Why would Sixers stretch waive love. Harris is a better player than sexton. Curry is cheap. Maxey is cheap.

Minnesota trade is trash. These future picks mean nothing because everyone puts trade protections these days.

[Devilanche]

It's Hield+Hali+Bagley percieved as more value than Beasley+McDaniels+Reid?

For me yes .
Beasley >>> hield
Mcdaniels <<<<< haliburton (position wise this holds the key for me)
Reid > bagley ( I got Drummond as a decent minute eater behind embiid so this doesn’t really matter for me )

yeah but haliburton will play the point, Replacing simmons long term. Bagley has a unique skill set that can fit as part of a Emblid, Harris led frontcourt. Mcdaniels will just be competing with Green for min, as he is not going to displace Harris. Min package is a ice package it just does not match up as well with Philly's need post simmons.

Yea we both grade the sac return as better for on court . Haliburton is a good fit for them

[Godaddycurse]

Chicago out: Derozan, PWill
Philly out: Simmons

Who says no?

[Sportfan73]

What would a Brogdon extension look like if Philly acquired him?

[zimpy27]

Chicago out: Derozan, PWill
Philly out: Simmons

Who says no?

I like it, I think DeMar actually fits Philly quite well.

Curry, Green, DeMar, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, PatWill, Reed

[DWhiteMamba]

If Philly wanted to overpay Demar they could have done a sign and trade with us this offseason. DeLoser is basically the anti-Morey type of player.

[patman66]

If Philly wanted to overpay Demar they could have done a sign and trade with us this offseason. DeLoser is basically the anti-Morey type of player.

Philly may have thought that a better offer would have come by now.