Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 4.0

[daoneandonly]

I'm confused. I thought that a lot of the exodus of Mavs FO/coaches was driven from him getting too much power and other guys not wanting to work with/for him. Now he's gone as well.

I think the main takeaway is there was definitely a power struggle but there was only one winner: Mark Cuban. Hard to know for sure but reading between the lines and listening to MacMahon and Cato on the topic, it sounds like Donnie didn't get fired because he butted heads with Harlabob, but because Cuban wanted to make it clear I'm in charge here period.

Rick I think is more complicated in that Harlabob was just one of the reasons, but yeah when he saw Donnie Nelson dismissed and fairly disrespectfully considering his long and very successful tenure in Dallas I think he wanted to get out while there was a good option for him to land rather than maybe getting run mid-season as a scapegoat?

So I think this is just the final nail in the coffin establishing that what was once a 4 man leadership group of Cuban, Donnie, Rick, and Dirk is now only about one individual: Mark Cuban.

And that absolutely sucks.

Agreed

I for one have always held on to the belief that Dirk won one title despite Mark Cuban, not because of him. if not for Cubes, I really think would be a multi time champion and there wouldnt even be a KG/Dirk debate.

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[daoneandonly]

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Be that as it may, good riddance

[gambitx777]

Yes because Texas is a conservative state, two rebuilding teams are definitely going to want to trade for Wiggins because what they think he will be a strong draw to the anti-vax crowd? Wonder how the Florida teams dodged your stereotyping bullet here?

I don't think it for an anti vax draw. At least intentionally, I'm sure they will suddenly support him regardless in any state.

From a logical perspective , if he traded it has to be a states without vaccine mandates right?

Here's the thing, he makes zero sense for the Rockets who are clearly tanking. He makes almost no sense for the Spurs who aren't a Wiggins away from the playoffs. And even if they wanted him, what players could they give the Warriors that make sense for the Warriors and make sense for a Spurs team apparently now trying to win?

Dallas could in theory want Wiggins I guess, but he's a marginal upgrade at best over the trio of DFS/Bullock/THJ only Dallas has to either give up KP(which makes Dallas worse and makes no sense for GSW) or give up a number of valuable depth pieces.

So there is no Wiggins to Texas deal that makes any basketball sense and you'll note he didn't try. So I feel comfortable with my assertion that this was almost certainly a politically motivated "call".

Right? Because otherwise he names a specific Texas team--they are all in different places basketball wise. Why those three teams except for politics? Silly.

Because I posted a big large ass 5 team Ben Simmons trade between GS Huston Boston OKC and 76ers with Wiggins going to Huston before this vac thing came out .

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[MoneyTalks41890]

I really like the Grizz recognizing that they have more to do and being aggressive about it

[JimmyPlopper]

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Thanks for sharing. Oturu we saw coming. Carsen Edwards hasn't been able to be even a reliable shooter which has surprised me. Hope he can work on his game and come back to th league. Or give overseas a shot.

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I was hoping that someone would absorb Oturo for free so a little surprised he was a straight waive, maybe someone claims him though. Pons we really like, so real happy we put him on a 2-way.

Edwards is no surprise.

[Scoot McGroot]

Really have to assume that Carson has to pull a Justin Holiday type of career move and go overseas for a bit, maybe play some GLeague, and eventually work his way back into being a reliable vet in the NBA.

The big question is, does he even get a camp offer anywhere for this year?

[jayjaysee]

Dallas could in theory want Wiggins I guess, but he's a marginal upgrade at best over the trio of DFS/Bullock/THJ only Dallas has to either give up KP(which makes Dallas worse and makes no sense for GSW) or give up a number of valuable depth pieces

Because Frisco..

DFS, WCS to GS
Favors, Wiggins, Roby to Dallas
Green, Burke, Powell, 2nds to OKC

you hope to get lucky in the edges of free agency again next offseason? Or look to trade for a bigger piece as you don’t compromise future picks here.

[aguiar95]

Dallas could in theory want Wiggins I guess, but he's a marginal upgrade at best over the trio of DFS/Bullock/THJ only Dallas has to either give up KP(which makes Dallas worse and makes no sense for GSW) or give up a number of valuable depth pieces

Because Frisco..

DFS, WCS to GS
Favors, Wiggins, Roby to Dallas
Green, Burke, Powell, 2nds to OKC

you hope to get lucky in the edges of free agency again next offseason? Or look to trade for a bigger piece as you don’t compromise future picks here.

Depending on the pick/asset GSW attach DAl might consider. As it is there is a lot of value missing.

[Texas Chuck]

Dallas could in theory want Wiggins I guess, but he's a marginal upgrade at best over the trio of DFS/Bullock/THJ only Dallas has to either give up KP(which makes Dallas worse and makes no sense for GSW) or give up a number of valuable depth pieces

Because Frisco..

DFS, WCS to GS
Favors, Wiggins, Roby to Dallas
Green, Burke, Powell, 2nds to OKC

you hope to get lucky in the edges of free agency again next offseason? Or look to trade for a bigger piece as you don’t compromise future picks here.

Not sure Wiggins/Favors represents enough of an upgrade over DFS/WCS to take on the extra salary next year? Even if we give DFS a big raise next year, he Powell, and Burke would still be cheaper than Wiggins, but also Favors money is now on the books. And the TPE is gone.

But maybe I'm underselling the difference between Wiggins and DFS because I'm a Doe Doe stan?

[jayjaysee]

Dallas could in theory want Wiggins I guess, but he's a marginal upgrade at best over the trio of DFS/Bullock/THJ only Dallas has to either give up KP(which makes Dallas worse and makes no sense for GSW) or give up a number of valuable depth pieces

Because Frisco..

DFS, WCS to GS
Favors, Wiggins, Roby to Dallas
Green, Burke, Powell, 2nds to OKC

you hope to get lucky in the edges of free agency again next offseason? Or look to trade for a bigger piece as you don’t compromise future picks here.

Depending on the pick/asset GSW attach DAl might consider. As it is there is a lot of value missing.

Yeah I think GS is getting way too good a deal looking back.

Realistically, it’s a lot better if you wait for THJ though. No longer a 5 for 2 type trade, no longer forcing Dallas to run under 15 to stay under the tax, etc. just was a bad idea I wanted to try without using KP or Maxi.

I think saving 100 or so million and getting DFS to replace Wiggins would be worth the GSW 2022 first at least, so you’re right.

[eminence]

Dallas could in theory want Wiggins I guess, but he's a marginal upgrade at best over the trio of DFS/Bullock/THJ only Dallas has to either give up KP(which makes Dallas worse and makes no sense for GSW) or give up a number of valuable depth pieces

Because Frisco..

DFS, WCS to GS
Favors, Wiggins, Roby to Dallas
Green, Burke, Powell, 2nds to OKC

you hope to get lucky in the edges of free agency again next offseason? Or look to trade for a bigger piece as you don’t compromise future picks here.

Not sure Wiggins/Favors represents enough of an upgrade over DFS/WCS to take on the extra salary next year? Even if we give DFS a big raise next year, he Powell, and Burke would still be cheaper than Wiggins, but also Favors money is now on the books. And the TPE is gone.

But maybe I'm underselling the difference between Wiggins and DFS because I'm a Doe Doe stan?

Could send Favors to the Warriors if the Mavs were looking to maintain the TPE for something else?

For the Warriors I wouldn't mind something around Wiggins/Wiseman for Favors/DFS/a guard (could the Warriors get Dort out of OKC for Wiseman is an idea I've explored before, the answer seems to be maybe).

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[Texas Chuck]

Because Frisco..

DFS, WCS to GS
Favors, Wiggins, Roby to Dallas
Green, Burke, Powell, 2nds to OKC

you hope to get lucky in the edges of free agency again next offseason? Or look to trade for a bigger piece as you don’t compromise future picks here.

Not sure Wiggins/Favors represents enough of an upgrade over DFS/WCS to take on the extra salary next year? Even if we give DFS a big raise next year, he Powell, and Burke would still be cheaper than Wiggins, but also Favors money is now on the books. And the TPE is gone.

But maybe I'm underselling the difference between Wiggins and DFS because I'm a Doe Doe stan?

Could send Favors to the Warriors if the Mavs were looking to maintain the TPE for something else?

For the Warriors I wouldn't mind something around Wiggins/Wiseman for Favors/DFS/a guard (could the Warriors get Dort out of OKC for Wiseman is an idea I've explored before, the answer seems to be maybe).

I mean Favors should go to Dallas still because burning the TPE is relatively minor compared to the massive tax savings that are part of the motivation for the Warriors, no?

as the shrink axiom states, the best way to make deals better for every team involved is to get the pieces to the place where they add the most value or in this case take away the least value(I have Favors a negative for both GSW and Dallas here, but far worse for GSW).

[eminence]

Not sure Wiggins/Favors represents enough of an upgrade over DFS/WCS to take on the extra salary next year? Even if we give DFS a big raise next year, he Powell, and Burke would still be cheaper than Wiggins, but also Favors money is now on the books. And the TPE is gone.

But maybe I'm underselling the difference between Wiggins and DFS because I'm a Doe Doe stan?

Could send Favors to the Warriors if the Mavs were looking to maintain the TPE for something else?

For the Warriors I wouldn't mind something around Wiggins/Wiseman for Favors/DFS/a guard (could the Warriors get Dort out of OKC for Wiseman is an idea I've explored before, the answer seems to be maybe).

I mean Favors should go to Dallas still because burning the TPE is relatively minor compared to the massive tax savings that are part of the motivation for the Warriors, no?

as the shrink axiom states, the best way to make deals better for every team involved is to get the pieces to the place where they add the most value or in this case take away the least value(I have Favors a negative for both GSW and Dallas here, but far worse for GSW).

I think I like Favors more for GS than you do (Favors is my favorite guy in the league, so this is probably my homer speaking)

Base (in my head)

Wiggins to Dallas

Wiseman + dumped salary to OKC

2-3 cheapish solid rotation guys to GS

[Texas Chuck]

Fair enough. I just think Favors is worth maybe half his salary? Then you factor in the tax multipliers and I have him really bad value. I have WCS at $4M too much for GSW. I think the role either of them could play could and should be done by a min salary.

Of course I also think that about Looney, but I know I shouldn't ever say that as Warriors fans love him like I love Maxi.

[eminence]

Fair enough. I just think Favors is worth maybe half his salary? Then you factor in the tax multipliers and I have him really bad value. I have WCS at $4M too much for GSW. I think the role either of them could play could and should be done by a min salary.

Of course I also think that about Looney, but I know I shouldn't ever say that as Warriors fans love him like I love Maxi.

Bad mouthing two of my favorite guys in one post, no good Chuck, no good.

I doubt Favors vs WCS would be a deal-breaker for the Warriors either way if the rest of the deal worked for them.

[eminence]

My adjustment.

Gives OKC a clear target (Wiseman). DAL a tiny bit more value (I think? keeps Green and sends out Brown). Gets GS another guy ready to play.

GS In: WCS/DFS/Dort (3 rotation guys and absolutely huge savings)

DAL In: Wiggins/Favors

OKC In: Powell/Wiseman/Burke/Brown/Mulder