Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #1621 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:42 am

payitforward wrote:We have 15 guys with guaranteed contracts, & we are less than $1m below the luxury tax. We can change nothing about our roster without making a trade.

Winston has a 2 way deal. If we wanted Diakite, we could sign him to a 2-way contract. But... why would we want him?

Because he’s a monster of a defender, able to defend 3-5 and has an underrated but evolving offensive game. Plus, he’s hard working and smart as heck

Post #1622 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:48 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
payitforward wrote:We have 15 guys with guaranteed contracts, & we are less than $1m below the luxury tax. We can change nothing about our roster without making a trade.

Winston has a 2 way deal. If we wanted Diakite, we could sign him to a 2-way contract. But... why would we want him?

Because he’s a monster of a defender, able to defend 3-5 and has an underrated but evolving offensive game. Plus, he’s hard working and smart as heck

He's also not good enough. No doubt he's worked hard to get where he is, but he's below average in everything - including defense - where he's not strong enough to play inside and not quick enough to defend NBA forwards. He also bobbles the ball too often to play inside and hasn't developed offensively enough to play forward. And his mediocre play in the SL was probably the tipping point. I think he'll play pro hoops for years - but most won't be in the NBA.

Post #1623 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:55 pm

Good move by the Lakers in deciding to play Anthony Davis almost exclusively at C this season. It also has the effect of Lebron playing more PF. They're both getting up there in age, and this lets them match up against slower players while they remain among the physically strongest players in the NBA. They have 2 big names at backup center - Howard and Jordan - but they are both way over the hill at this point. Expecting those 2 to combine for 40 minutes or so would have been a disaster, imo. Even as old as Melo is, he's a better choice to play. LAL really has a lack of depth this season. They'll need Horton to take a step up.

As for their backcourt:

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payitforward · Post #1624 » by **payitforward** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:49 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
payitforward wrote:We have 15 guys with guaranteed contracts, & we are less than $1m below the luxury tax. We can change nothing about our roster without making a trade.

Winston has a 2 way deal. If we wanted Diakite, we could sign him to a 2-way contract. But... why would we want him?

Because he’s a monster of a defender, able to defend 3-5 and has an underrated but evolving offensive game. Plus, he’s hard working and smart as heck

Well, those would be some good reasons!

&, if you're right, we'll see him have a long, productive career in the NBA -- may it be so!!

closg00 · Post #1625 » by **closg00** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:25 pm

A Celts take on Matthews
https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/9/29/22693882/what-does-garrison-mathews-bring-to-the-table-boston-celtics-training-camp-washington-wizards#comments

Post #1626 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:29 pm

closg00 wrote:A Celts take on Matthews
https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/9/29/22693882/what-does-garrison-mathews-bring-to-the-table-boston-celtics-training-camp-washington-wizards#comments

Sorta ironically, it might be undrafted Sam Hauser (Ruz fav) that GMat has to beat out for minutes with the Celtics.

Post #1627 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:36 pm

So... if Brooklyn is stuck not being able to play Kyrie at home games... do we consider him if we can get him for pennies on the dollar - even if we don't like the guy?

pcbothwel · Post #1628 » by **pcbothwel** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:05 pm

Ruzious wrote:So... if Brooklyn is stuck not being able to play Kyrie at home games... do we consider him if we can get him for pennies on the dollar - even if we don't like the guy?

Ben Simmons problem... Unless the player demands out to a specific team, you dont get them for "pennies on the dollar"

dckingsfan · Post #1629 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri Oct 1, 2021 8:57 pm

I guess we will now see how the "not paying Ben Simmons" tactic will work out of the Sixers...

gambitx777 · Post #1630 » by **gambitx777** » Sat Oct 2, 2021 8:02 am

I have no interest in kyrie , he wakes up every day and says meh do I wanna do my job today? And you're at his whims.

Ben Simmons really willing to light 30 plus mill on fire....bold move cotton.

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Post #1631 » by **LyricalRico** » Sun Oct 3, 2021 11:51 pm

Ruzious wrote:So... if Brooklyn is stuck not being able to play Kyrie at home games... do we consider him if we can get him for pennies on the dollar - even if we don't like the guy?

Would things be different in DC? I'm not sure what DC's rules currently are, and they could always change during the season. And even if he cold play at home, he'd still be missing road games in certain places. And that's on top of the typical stuff Kyrie brings.

At least with Westbrook we were able to move a longer term contract and he always gives the team 100%. Neither would be true in a Kyrie deal. Hard pass for me.

doclinkin · Post #1632 » by **doclinkin** » Mon Oct 4, 2021 12:20 am

LyricalRico wrote:
Ruzious wrote:So... if Brooklyn is stuck not being able to play Kyrie at home games... do we consider him if we can get him for pennies on the dollar - even if we don't like the guy?

Would things be different in DC? I'm not sure what DC's rules currently are, and they could always change during the season. And even if he cold play at home, he'd still be missing road games in certain places. And that's on top of the typical stuff Kyrie brings.

Not a fan of Kyrie in team play, though his individual play is stunning and fun to watch. But no: as a Wizard he would be allowed to play in NYC or San Francisco since the laws in both those cities requiring vaccination to attend large sporting events have exemptions for out-of-town teams. There is no exemption for hometown players.

Have Kyrie's teams ever won without a LeBJ or Durant on them? If Kyrie is on your team he's like junk food. You know it's bad for your system but it's too delicious to resist when you've got it right there. Like you dont really care that your team plays no defense with him on the court because damn:

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Post #1633 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Oct 4, 2021 12:39 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
Ruzious wrote:So... if Brooklyn is stuck not being able to play Kyrie at home games... do we consider him if we can get him for pennies on the dollar - even if we don't like the guy?

Would things be different in DC? I'm not sure what DC's rules currently are, and they could always change during the season. And even if he cold play at home, he'd still be missing road games in certain places. And that's on top of the typical stuff Kyrie brings.

At least with Westbrook we were able to move a longer term contract and he always gives the team 100%. Neither would be true in a Kyrie deal. Hard pass for me.

Not according to what Dat and others have said. NY doesn't have a say about forbidding players from playing in NY, so at least for the rules as they are now, if he were traded to Washington, he'd be able to play in all of their games. Edit - pardon, I see Doc's already answered that.

Personally, I'm not a Kyrie fan, and I think he's a nut, but no doubting he's a great talent.

closg00 · Post #1634 » by **closg00** » Wed Oct 6, 2021 12:06 pm

Sekou Doumbouya to Houston who will then be waived, will that be it for him? Busted faster than Jan

payitforward · Post #1635 » by **payitforward** » Wed Oct 6, 2021 12:16 pm

Everyone who thought we should nab him w/ our #9 pick should now check in & point out how wrong they were. Or else say, "...wow! We should 'waive' somebody & pick him up."

gambitx777 · Post #1636 » by **gambitx777** » Wed Oct 6, 2021 1:54 pm

Lakers, heat, bucks maybe? Or another team devoid of young assets. I feel like if he had anything at all the nets wouldn't have fun dumped him and Huston would keep him over one of their older dudes. I would say take a flyer on him but we have a super young green big in Todd so!

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payitforward · Post #1637 » by **payitforward** » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:29 pm

Well I was joking about our picking him up. That said, he's still a kid.

The Nets traded him as a salary dump -- they save in luxury tax. The Rockets got a free 2024 R2 pick for being the ones to cut Doumbouya. They have a full roster.

Cutting an "older dude" to keep Doumbouya... it's not like they have a lot of those "older dudes" ....

closg00 · Post #1638 » by **closg00** » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:04 pm

Oh, didn't notice the kid before, 2019 28th pick

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closg00 · Post #1639 » by **closg00** » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:38 pm

A good read.
"Atlanta Hawks Might Be ‘Light-Years Ahead’ With Their Team-Building Strategy"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2021/09/07/atlanta-hawks-might-be-light-years-ahead-with-their-team-building-strategy/?sh=4be4587e246c

Post #1640 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:52 pm

payitforward wrote:Everyone who thought we should nab him w/ our #9 pick should now check in & point out how wrong they were. Or else say, "...wow! We should 'waive' somebody & pick him up."

I was wrong... pretty sure it was the only mistake I ever made. It was tough being right all the time - you're lucky you've never had a burden like that.