Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Negrodamus]

What if the terms of Ben showing up is that he will only play in games where Embiid is out due to load management or injury, will that somehow increase his trade value? With this, teams who are willing to trade for him can look at some games where Ben is the focal point of the team. Surround Ben with Tobias, Green, Curry and Milton and you have multiple games where it is just Ben and four shooters.

With this kind of setup, Ben will still be paid but not play all games.

This goes back to the "leverage" discussion. What if Morey just says "no" and continues to not pay him and waits for a better trade to come along? I don't see the merit (for the FO) of using unmotivated Ben for 30 games to pay him 82.

Not pay him if he shows up for work? There's a contract. Just like Ben can't get paid for not working, the Sixers can't just choose not to pay him if he does show up for work. They don't have to play him, of course, but not paying him? That's a lawsuit they'd lose easily.

The initial post suggests terms of Ben only showing up and playing when Embiid is sitting. There's no reason for the Sixers to agree with those terms. So Ben would have to either play every game, like his contract states, or hold out.

[stormi]

Hard disagree. Could definitely see them trying to finesse a way so he gets paid while putting forth the minimal amount of effort. It's been alluded to through Klutch sources for months. "even if he shows up don't get expect the same guy" etc.

And how exactly does this help him get traded. Or is he so shortsighted that not only does he care about getting traded, but he's also willing to throw his potential future earnings away because he's that much of a liability and a headcase.

These guys obviously don't have a very well thought out plan. They have a conclusion they would like and the rest of it is half baked. I can easily see them saying this is the next step in their "plan"

I can't wait for the 30 for 30 that gets made about this iteration of the Sixers.

[sixers hoops]

Yeah the only "leverage" gained here is there was perception by some that there would be pressure put on Sixers to make a trade if Simmons sat out and the Sixers started out slow. I think most people on here felt that the Sixers weren't going to feel that pressure to just win a couple extra regular season games, but that perception was out there. Windhorst said it on his podcast.

Of course he could still sit out or not give full effort.

Or worse, doing that while bitching to the press constantly.

I just don't see the positives of him coming back for the team at this rate.

The report states that Klutch representatives and the Sixers have been working together to reach resolution. I find it hard to believe that Klutch/Ben would be communicating with Morey and his superiors with ulterior motives in the back of their mind. That would be career suicide for Rich Paul. Ben could simply show up and claim injury or whatever if he simply just wanted to finesse his money - but this seems to be a more mutually agreed upon approach.

If Ben comes back to Philadelphia I'm sure he'll be a consummate professional. If he absolutely doesn't want to be here he'll stay in his Hidden Hills mansion.

I agree. I just think if he wants to be traded, he might have to remain disruptive. Honestly, I don’t think the Sixers want to keep him long term. He is a bad fit with Joel since he can’t shoot, and he is hated by a lot of the fanbase at this point. However, Morey seems like he is holding out for an unrealistic deal that will never happen. In my opinion, they need to be extremely motivated to move him within a month or so. I don’t believe that we are getting Shai, Fox, Beal, Lillard, Lavine, etc. I guess if he came back playing the best ball of his career, they could moving quickly, but I think there is a large gap between Ben’s value and what Morey is asking.

[Negrodamus]

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Lol, please come back Ben, we'll pay you to sit around. Great negotiations.

[Sixersftw]

And how exactly does this help him get traded. Or is he so shortsighted that not only does he care about getting traded, but he's also willing to throw his potential future earnings away because he's that much of a liability and a headcase.

These guys obviously don't have a very well thought out plan. They have a conclusion they would like and the rest of it is half baked. I can easily see them saying this is the next step in their "plan"

I can't wait for the 30 for 30 that gets made about this iteration of the Sixers.

What if I told you that there are some processes you can't trust?

[Sixerscan]

The report states that Klutch representatives and the Sixers have been working together to reach resolution. I find it hard to believe that Klutch/Ben would be communicating with Morey and his superiors with ulterior motives in the back of their mind. That would be career suicide for Rich Paul. Ben could simply show up and claim injury or whatever if he simply just wanted to finesse his money - but this seems to be a more mutually agreed upon approach.

If Ben comes back to Philadelphia I'm sure he'll be a consummate professional. If he absolutely doesn't want to be here he'll stay in his Hidden Hills mansion.

Hard disagree. Could definitely see them trying to finesse a way so he gets paid while putting forth the minimal amount of effort. It's been alluded to through Klutch sources for months. "even if he shows up don't get expect the same guy" etc.

And how exactly does throwing his tantrum help him get traded. Or is he just so narrow-minded that not only does he not care about his current situation, but he's also willing to throw his potential future earnings away because he's that much of a liability and a headcase.

IDK maybe he thinks if he can finagle a way to make the Sixers have to pay him they'll get tired of it and trade him away sooner. Agree with ftw that these guys seems to think they're slick but don't seem like they really have it together. Bad combo.

[Negrodamus]

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[Murray_17]

And how exactly does throwing his tantrum help him get traded. Or is he just so narrow-minded that not only does he not care about his current situation, but he's also willing to throw his potential future earnings away because he's that much of a liability and a headcase.

Because playing bad will put more pressure to the team into trading him than being out and would force Morey out of waiting.

If Ben doesn't come back Morey can wait patiently because the team playing bad is not a direct result of Ben not being there (You can always said pieces doesn't match ort whatever) so technically he's not forced to trade him. If Ben comes and plays bad on purpose, he's the the direct responsible of the team playing bad so it put more pressure into a trade.

This obviously is so blatant right now that i doubt it works, Klutch has botched this spectacularly.

[Slacktard]

The next time Simmons appears in front of a Sixers crowd it will be in another uniform.

He is not playing and will not be sitting on the bench. He will prob get some kind of social anxiety diagnosis to be excused from games and try to collect his salary.

[HotelVitale]

Or worse, doing that while bitching to the press constantly. I just don't see the positives of him coming back for the team at this rate.

The report states that Klutch representatives and the Sixers have been working together to reach resolution. I find it hard to believe that Klutch/Ben would be communicating with Morey and his superiors with ulterior motives in the back of their mind. That would be career suicide for Rich Paul. Ben could simply show up and claim injury or whatever if he simply just wanted to finesse his money - but this seems to be a more mutually agreed upon approach. If Ben comes back to Philadelphia I'm sure he'll be a consummate professional. If he absolutely doesn't want to be here he'll stay in his Hidden Hills mansion.

I agree. I just think if he wants to be traded, he might have to remain disruptive. Honestly, I don’t think the Sixers want to keep him long term. He is a bad fit with Joel since he can’t shoot, and he is hated by a lot of the fanbase at this point. However, Morey seems like he is holding out for an unrealistic deal that will never happen. In my opinion, they need to be extremely motivated to move him within a month or so. I don’t believe that we are getting Shai, Fox, Beal, Lillard, Lavine, etc. I guess if he came back playing the best ball of his career, they could moving quickly, but I think there is a large gap between Ben’s value and what Morey is asking.

I don't know, we know he wants a trade but I also think he really doesn't want to be actively disruptive. I think he wants to avoid everything ugly and magically wake up with a fresh start, but I'm not sure there's a path for that. Tough spot there, not many moves left to make.

About your other point, the whole point of having Morey around is to have someone focus on the big picture perspective of the team and not focus on shorter timelines (or his own job security). Seems like a lot of fans are thinking 'how can this annoying thing stop so we can be a respectable team in a month' and I'm grateful to have Morey thinking 'let's not sweat being uncomfortable and think how this is going to look in 6 months or two years.' I don't think he has any tricks up his sleeve but I'm totally for letting this ride for a while until we're relatively sure what the best options for this year will be.

[Stanford]

playing the game is the thing he gets paid for, so, uh...

[sixers hoops]

And how exactly does throwing his tantrum help him get traded. Or is he just so narrow-minded that not only does he not care about his current situation, but he's also willing to throw his potential future earnings away because he's that much of a liability and a headcase.

Because playing bad will put more pressure to the team into trading him than being out and would force Morey out of waiting.

If Ben doesn't come back Morey can wait patiently because the team playing bad is not a direct result of Ben not being there (You can always said pieces doesn't match ort whatever) so technically he's not forced to trade him. If Ben comes and plays bad on purpose, he's the the direct responsible of the team playing bad so it put more pressure into a trade.

This obviously is so blatant right now that i doubt it works, Klutch has botched this spectacularly.

I am not convinced this was Klutch’s plan. Despite their history of botching a few situations, they likely employ some of the best contract attorneys in the world. I doubt they weren’t warned about this. I wouldn’t be surprised if Klutch advised Ben to report and he simply refused, which is his right. After seeing his leverage slip away, he decided it wasn’t advantageous to miss regular season games and give up millions.

For all the talk of this massive “media circus” that would force the Sixers to their knees, it hasn’t been that bad. Honestly, the Eagles coaches and players are probably facing worse pressure on a daily basis due to their poor play and game planning. I don’t see the Sixers worn down from this. Honestly, Ben played so poorly in the playoffs, it’s likely a relief to not have to pretend he is your point guard, despite him having no perimeter skills.

[thenbaman]

Please don't let him come back.

[snoopdogg88]

I have no idea what incentive there is for Morey to reach some kind of “agreement” that doesn’t involve Ben playing games.

I genuinely hope Morey isn’t caving and agreeing to pay him his salary while he sits on the bench in street clothes or something.

[thenbaman]

I have no idea what incentive there is for Morey to reach some kind of “agreement” that doesn’t involve Ben playing games.

I genuinely hope Morey isn’t caving and agreeing to pay him his salary while he sits on the bench in street clothes or something.

Agreed if he's not going to play let him keep sitting out and not get paid.

[SixthStreet]

I think this is just the next step in him playing regular season games. The narrative has to be built over time in order for Klutch to save (a little) face.

Honestly, despite what's being reported, I'd be shocked if Simmons didn't play regular season games for the Sixers. The players and Rivers have been adamant about publicly keeping the door open for him.

I think any such "negotiation" between Morey and Klutch has to do with what sort of minutes Simmons will play. He will want to return to staggered minutes and maybe a little bit more aggressive load management of Embiid so Simmons can have some games with padded numbers and thus easier to trade. I know Simmons/Klutch have said his trade value is not their responsibility but they should care, because that's his ticket out of town.

[Skates]

This feels like it is all just a part of a badly choreographed, but perhaps necessary step on the road to Trades-ville. Let's all pretend to pretend that you are going to be here, because that is waht might move the trade scenarios along a bit, and oh yeah, they really were going to take your money despite what Rich Paul told you.

[jbent87]

everyone who ripped Morey for his asks throughout this process and how this was handled can take a lap.

RP and Ben have their tails between their legs right now. This will be a slow integration back into the team, as RP/Ben now need to determine how best to handle holding this L and still looking cool in the process. From the teams side, maybe Michael Rubin slides Embiid a blank check/courtesy two weeks access to his yacht/private jet for next offseason in exchange for playing nice. And hopefully we look up in January/February and this deal is getting done, closer to Bens real value before he explosive diarrhea'd all over himself this entire offseason.

[DCasey91]

Technically it is still semantics. Semantics is "the study of meanings." Usually, people say 'semantics' to indicate that it the other person is just splitting hairs over minor differences in meaning. But major differences in meaning also fall under the category of semantics.

It is semantics

Also:

Delist player: Discard

Draft: A Chance

- Mulligan, Draft, Rebuy again, every year to infinity. Because draft, and draft picks.

Hmmmm I like the word mulligan I’ll use it.

To the hell with being wrong!

Where does it say they delisted a him? You’re making up stuff in a strange attempt to save face because you didn’t understand the definition of mulligan. Jaden Springer is a sixer and will continue to be a sixer. He will play in the g-league, but that doesn’t mean they got rid of him and are getting a redo.

I know what mulligan means

In the future when all three picks don’t do much

And get delisted I’ll call it a mulligan because every year you get another chance to draft players as a redo from the past year.

[DCasey91]

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Leveraged investments

Where’s Tomjas saying Ben is loaded?