2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

[Slim Charless]

There have only been a few max extensions, at least 3 are no brainers and the other is a guy who has ELITE scoring efficiency and somewhat of a similar early game to KD.

I don't think anyone thought he was worth a max before the playoffs, except I guess I'mNotMcDISwear. And I defended him more than anyone and thought he was valuable. Many wanted him traded.

I think Sarver reads the forum and knows what people think of his inconsistencies and of course those who don't think he has that much value (bigfoot, etc). A lot of complaining outside of him too (Mjee, jdiddy, Frank, etc).

You're kidding right? I know you're a mod and you guys can't troll post but still....this HAS to be a joke.

Right?

Not sure what you mean. You didn't see all the complaining? No one has turned down a max rookie extension to play on the QO. No one. Or even a deal worth near $30 million a year. Probably not even $25.

I was talking about you brazenly and completely out of the blue declaring that Bobby $arver reads this forum.

[bwgood77]

You're kidding right? I know you're a mod and you guys can't troll post but still....this HAS to be a joke.

Right?

Not sure what you mean. You didn't see all the complaining? No one has turned down a max rookie extension to play on the QO. No one. Or even a deal worth near $30 million a year. Probably not even $25.

I was talking about you brazenly and completely out of the blue declaring that Bobby $arver reads this forum.

Oh, well I kind of assume he reads a lot of stuff related to the team. He kind of seems like that giddy fan (yet at the same time a rich ****) that was rich enough to buy the team. Maybe not but I imagine a lot of people employed by nba teams do. I know that. Some teams at least used to have someone that monitored stuff like that. Probably mainly for leaks and stuff...but also maybe to get a pulse of the hard core fan base.

[Slim Charless]

Not sure what you mean. You didn't see all the complaining? No one has turned down a max rookie extension to play on the QO. No one. Or even a deal worth near $30 million a year. Probably not even $25.

I was talking about you brazenly and completely out of the blue declaring that Bobby $arver reads this forum.

Oh, well I kind of assume he reads a lot of stuff related to the team. He kind of seems like that giddy fan (yet at the same time a rich ****) that was rich enough to buy the team. Maybe not but I imagine a lot of people employed by nba teams do. I know that. Some teams at least used to have someone that monitored stuff like that. Probably mainly for leaks and stuff...but also maybe to get a pulse of the hard core fan base.

He's a twit. An arrogant one at that.

If he is reading this on the off-chance you're right:


Hey Bobby.

SELL. THE. TEAM.
YOU'RE TERRIBLE AT THIS.
WE DESERVE BETTER.

[Crives]

I think Sarver has earned back some trust after the last few years (CP3, Monty, JJ, new arena/practice facility)

We really don’t know what is being negotiated with Ayton and Bridges right now. It could be very minor. JJ just won exec of the year, let’s wait until extension deadline passes before we freak out.

[lilfishi22]

I think Sarver has earned back some trust after the last few years (CP3, Monty, JJ, new arena/practice facility)

We really don’t know what is being negotiated with Ayton and Bridges right now. It could be very minor. JJ just won exec of the year, let’s wait until extension deadline passes before we freak out.

For Ayton to come out publicly (not just through a mouth piece) and say he's disappointed is fairly telling that they are probably not as close as we hope. I could certainly be wrong and this is obviously just conjecture but if they are close, I think he would probably say they are close. So for Ayton to say he's disappointed is worrying.

[Crives]

I think Sarver has earned back some trust after the last few years (CP3, Monty, JJ, new arena/practice facility)

We really don’t know what is being negotiated with Ayton and Bridges right now. It could be very minor. JJ just won exec of the year, let’s wait until extension deadline passes before we freak out.

For Ayton to come out publicly (not just through a mouth piece) and say he's disappointed is fairly telling that they are probably not as close as we hope. I could certainly be wrong and this is obviously just conjecture but if they are close, I think he would probably say they are close. So for Ayton to say he's disappointed is worrying.

Ayton could just be upset that we are not giving him super max potential… the point is we really don’t know, could just be posturing on his side. I’m giving James Jones and Sarver the benefit of the doubt here before calling for him to sell the team. These contracts could get signed tomorrow and this all goes away.

[RedIndian]

Not extending Bridges is what is worrying me.

With Ayton, we know he wants the max, and I think he will eventually get it. With him being an RFA, we have some leverage and although the present situation is unpleasant and avoidable, I think eventually he will sign here for the max.

With Bridges though, we have nothing to gain by delaying another year. If you can get him for 4/95, you do the deal right now and close it. If he balls out this year and wants the max next year, you're screwed. Can't afford to pay the max to both Ayton and Bridges.

It appears we're probably lowballing Bridges with like 4/72. There's nothing to be gained with this at all, and everything to be lost. If he really breaks out this year, we'll have a major problem on our hands next summer.

[Slim Charless]

I think Sarver has earned back some trust after the last few years (CP3, Monty, JJ, new arena/practice facility)

We really don’t know what is being negotiated with Ayton and Bridges right now. It could be very minor. JJ just won exec of the year, let’s wait until extension deadline passes before we freak out.

For Ayton to come out publicly (not just through a mouth piece) and say he's disappointed is fairly telling that they are probably not as close as we hope. I could certainly be wrong and this is obviously just conjecture but if they are close, I think he would probably say they are close. So for Ayton to say he's disappointed is worrying.

Ayton could just be upset that we are not giving him super max potential… the point is we really don’t know, could just be posturing on his side. I’m giving James Jones and Sarver the benefit of the doubt here before calling for him to sell the team. These contracts could get signed tomorrow and this all goes away.

Still not sure what Sarver has done to get the benefit of the doubt

[Crives]

For Ayton to come out publicly (not just through a mouth piece) and say he's disappointed is fairly telling that they are probably not as close as we hope. I could certainly be wrong and this is obviously just conjecture but if they are close, I think he would probably say they are close. So for Ayton to say he's disappointed is worrying.

Ayton could just be upset that we are not giving him super max potential… the point is we really don’t know, could just be posturing on his side. I’m giving James Jones and Sarver the benefit of the doubt here before calling for him to sell the team. These contracts could get signed tomorrow and this all goes away.

Still not sure what Sarver has done to get the benefit of the doubt

Hired James Jones, Monty Williams, new arena, practice facility, traded for CP3………

[Slim Charless]

Ayton could just be upset that we are not giving him super max potential… the point is we really don’t know, could just be posturing on his side. I’m giving James Jones and Sarver the benefit of the doubt here before calling for him to sell the team. These contracts could get signed tomorrow and this all goes away.

Still not sure what Sarver has done to get the benefit of the doubt

Hired James Jones, Monty Williams, new arena, practice facility, traded for CP3………

JJ and Monty both came cheaply as they weren't as highly regarded. He rolled the dice on both and was correct. That stadium and practice facility are both funded partly by the city(tax payers)....or least so I thought. As to CP3, Sarver didn't want to make that trade. Chris had to talk the Suns into trading for him. This has been stated in this very forum, by various posters.

[bigfoot]

You're kidding right? I know you're a mod and you guys can't troll post but still....this HAS to be a joke.

Right?

Not sure what you mean. You didn't see all the complaining? No one has turned down a max rookie extension to play on the QO. No one. Or even a deal worth near $30 million a year. Probably not even $25.

I was talking about you brazenly and completely out of the blue declaring that Bobby $arver reads this forum.

I wouldn't be surprised if his kids were lurkers.

[Fo-Real]

Board is unreadable lately. Its either vaccine propaganda/shaming batching bitching.

[bwgood77]

For Ayton to come out publicly (not just through a mouth piece) and say he's disappointed is fairly telling that they are probably not as close as we hope. I could certainly be wrong and this is obviously just conjecture but if they are close, I think he would probably say they are close. So for Ayton to say he's disappointed is worrying.

Ayton could just be upset that we are not giving him super max potential… the point is we really don’t know, could just be posturing on his side. I’m giving James Jones and Sarver the benefit of the doubt here before calling for him to sell the team. These contracts could get signed tomorrow and this all goes away.

Still not sure what Sarver has done to get the benefit of the doubt

I am not sure benefit of the doubt is right, but getting the right people (executives/coach) to help build a contender is pretty much what you want. New practice facility, etc.

But with this situation ultimately it depends if you ponies up money to keep them, preferably within the next 3 days, but at least before they start talking to other teams about offer sheets.

There really doesn't seem to be any upside in waiting. The movie Upside of Anger pops into my head as I right that. Maybe Ayton on a mission? Possibly Bridges too?

The players may just want to get it behind them too in order to secure the elite financial future in case of severe injury. That's a pretty big thing. I just wish I knew how far they are apart. Is it a player option? 5 years/$150? More like John Collins at 5/$125? If the latter that's a slap in the face.

What about Bridges? Are they offering 4/$90? 4/$100? If they are at 4/$100-$110 on Bridges I somewhat see the point...that's about the annual amount that 538 says but lower than Pelton's value of $30 per. They may just hold out a huge # until the deadline. Nothing to lose to negotiate tough like that. Get them up from $22.5 to $25 or something. But if they are at 4/$80 or something that's ridiculous.

Same thing with Ayton..they could be holding and will cave. But if they would cave to max seems they would have already done so. Maybe they are trying to build in more incentives..but I don't think you can on top of a max, which is why it's a max and escalators are normal and if a guy hits all nba or the other criteria he's obviously deserving.

[bwgood77]

Board is unreadable lately. Its either vaccine propaganda/shaming batching bitching.

Especially the vaccine stuff....all these people saying it's a government conspiracy, doesn't work, high risk. Some people....yeah, I get it. I ignore most of it on the GB and mostly here but that somehow moved into New Zealand women discussion.

[bwgood77]

Not sure what you mean. You didn't see all the complaining? No one has turned down a max rookie extension to play on the QO. No one. Or even a deal worth near $30 million a year. Probably not even $25.

I was talking about you brazenly and completely out of the blue declaring that Bobby $arver reads this forum.

I wouldn't be surprised if his kids were lurkers.

In general, it's older people. Younger people are mostly on reddit/twitter.

People that got used to it when it was the only place. A lot of teams at least used to use RealGM's advanced statistic models you pay for.

Jonathan Givony (DX) started out here. Keith Smith who just tweets a few things is still a mod I think...was Celtics and maybe trade board but now I think is just CBA Businees..

But Keith Smith not too long ago said on a mod forum with a thread that the GB needs to be cleaned up because a lot of higher ups read it...ripping on Silver, among other things I don't remember.

Bill Simmons once referred to it, back when he was a big time writer.

Sarver may have started reading it before he bought the team. Though maybe not if he still uses a flip phone. Colangelo obviously read it....and Sarver probably mostly uses computers.

[Years90Suns]

I think Sarver has earned back some trust after the last few years (CP3, Monty, JJ, new arena/practice facility)

We really don’t know what is being negotiated with Ayton and Bridges right now. It could be very minor. JJ just won exec of the year, let’s wait until extension deadline passes before we freak out.

For Ayton to come out publicly (not just through a mouth piece) and say he's disappointed is fairly telling that they are probably not as close as we hope. I could certainly be wrong and this is obviously just conjecture but if they are close, I think he would probably say they are close. So for Ayton to say he's disappointed is worrying.

Agents would use their customers in such and worst ways to get their money and the agents' money. We all know that.
It could also mean that they are not that far away and Ayton is doing that for the last gap to be closed.

I am happy they could be far, because I believe Ayton does not deserve a max contract, which is clear by his numbers and influence on the game. Maybe the team could use him better, but it does not.

If we pay the max to Ayton and then we need more money to keep Bridges of get a better PF, then we would be blaming the managers and owners.

We are still at least one player away from getting back to the Finals. We do not have 5 good quality players and then some back ups to keep up against anybody. Crowder, Cam, Saric, Kaminsky are just average players. Crowder is even a starter. He does not compare to any PF of a good team not name Royce Oneal.

[bwgood77]

I think Sarver has earned back some trust after the last few years (CP3, Monty, JJ, new arena/practice facility)

We really don’t know what is being negotiated with Ayton and Bridges right now. It could be very minor. JJ just won exec of the year, let’s wait until extension deadline passes before we freak out.

For Ayton to come out publicly (not just through a mouth piece) and say he's disappointed is fairly telling that they are probably not as close as we hope. I could certainly be wrong and this is obviously just conjecture but if they are close, I think he would probably say they are close. So for Ayton to say he's disappointed is worrying.

Agents would use their customers in such and worst ways to get their money and the agents' money. We all know that.
It could also mean that they are not that far away and Ayton is doing that for the last gap to be closed.

I am happy they could be far, because I believe Ayton does not deserve a max contract, which is clear by his numbers and influence on the game. Maybe the team could use him better, but it does not.

If we pay the max to Ayton and then we need more money to keep Bridges of get a better PF, then we would be blaming the managers and owners.

We are still at least one player away from getting back to the Finals. We do not have 5 good quality players and then some back ups to keep up against anybody. Crowder, Cam, Saric, Kaminsky are just average players. Crowder is even a starter. He does not compare to any PF of a good team not name Royce Oneal.

You underrate Crowder. He was PF on two consecutive finals teams and it was constantly mentioned by Zach Lowe how important Crowder had been to Miami and how much they missed him last year.

He is kind of our tough guy who will guard the tough PFs. And he is fearless shooting the 3 despite streaky.

You might underrate Cam. We have as many solid players as any team in the west. Who really has a better starting lineup overall? You have some top heavy ones with 2-3 solid players like the LA teams and Dallas. Denver may be close with healthy starters but that's it...and a nice bench PG. Utah too with their starting unit and Clarkson. That's strong. Blazers pretty good starting unit with the star guards, Powell, Covington, Nurkic and Nance off the bench...and Memphis deep.

But none I think are better than us when you go further than 6. Are Monte Morris and Clarkson better than CamJ? Payne? Better backup big than McGee? Then Shamet is solid too.

We are a solid 9 deep with a couple a decent 3rd string unit.

[wheezy]

Not sure what you mean. You didn't see all the complaining? No one has turned down a max rookie extension to play on the QO. No one. Or even a deal worth near $30 million a year. Probably not even $25.

I was talking about you brazenly and completely out of the blue declaring that Bobby $arver reads this forum.

Oh, well I kind of assume he reads a lot of stuff related to the team. He kind of seems like that giddy fan (yet at the same time a rich ****) that was rich enough to buy the team. Maybe not but I imagine a lot of people employed by nba teams do. I know that. Some teams at least used to have someone that monitored stuff like that. Probably mainly for leaks and stuff...but also maybe to get a pulse of the hard core fan base.

I think more big names read the boards than people think. Or at the very least used to. Bill Simmons used to comment on his podcast like 10 years ago that he'd read this site.

[Fo-Real]

Board is unreadable lately. Its either vaccine propaganda/shaming batching bitching.

Especially the vaccine stuff....all these people saying it's a government conspiracy, doesn't work, high risk. Some people....yeah, I get it. I ignore most of it on the GB and mostly here but that somehow moved into New Zealand women discussion.

Should have said and Sarver bitching. Dont know where the hell batching bitching came from...... DAMN PHONE!!!

[Saberestar]

I think Sarver has earned back some trust after the last few years (CP3, Monty, JJ, new arena/practice facility)

We really don’t know what is being negotiated with Ayton and Bridges right now. It could be very minor. JJ just won exec of the year, let’s wait until extension deadline passes before we freak out.

For Ayton to come out publicly (not just through a mouth piece) and say he's disappointed is fairly telling that they are probably not as close as we hope. I could certainly be wrong and this is obviously just conjecture but if they are close, I think he would probably say they are close. So for Ayton to say he's disappointed is worrying.

Agents would use their customers in such and worst ways to get their money and the agents' money. We all know that.
It could also mean that they are not that far away and Ayton is doing that for the last gap to be closed.

I am happy they could be far, because I believe Ayton does not deserve a max contract, which is clear by his numbers and influence on the game. Maybe the team could use him better, but it does not.

If we pay the max to Ayton and then we need more money to keep Bridges of get a better PF, then we would be blaming the managers and owners.

We are still at least one player away from getting back to the Finals. We do not have 5 good quality players and then some back ups to keep up against anybody. Crowder, Cam, Saric, Kaminsky are just average players. Crowder is even a starter. He does not compare to any PF of a good team not name Royce Oneal.

Jae Crowder is not a quality player? Are all the NBA head coaches dumb?

Brad Stevens, Monty Williams, Quin Snyder, Erik Spoelstra, Tyronne Lue...all of them played him over 25 mpg and all their teams went at least to the playoffs.

Crowder is like PJ Tucker. He doesn't give a **** about stats, he just cares about winning. Coaches and teammates love him. He does all the dirty job, the little things and open the floor with his shooting.