Around the NBA: 2021-22 Season Thread

[MrDollarBills]

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You know what's crazy about it, we drafted better than nix in 20. You can make case Mitch and Quickly outplayed their lottery picks. Only reason Quickly not getting burn is, that will show how incompetent they are.

Mitch is a stud center if he's healthy. IQ is a mid tier back up point guard at best to me. I think he's overrated right now.

[GTR11]

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You know what's crazy about it, we drafted better than nix in 20. You can make case Mitch and Quickly outplayed their lottery picks. Only reason Quickly not getting burn is, that will show how incompetent they are.

Mitch is a stud center if he's healthy. IQ is a mid tier back up point guard at best to me. I think he's overrated right now.

IQ is Din 2.0 imo, with the right coach I think he will expend his game, got all tools for it. Mitch is above average rim runner who also being victim of poor environment. I can see a lot Miles Turner in him.

I mean only nix and Jets can f things up picking so high for so long. I don't even know how they being able to do that, you have to have talent for it.

[DaGawd]

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You know what's crazy about it, we drafted better than nix in 20. You can make case Mitch and Quickly outplayed their lottery picks. Only reason Quickly not getting burn is, that will show how incompetent they are.

Mitch is a stud center if he's healthy. IQ is a mid tier back up point guard at best to me. I think he's overrated right now.

IQ is Din 2.0 imo, with the right coach I think he will expend his game, got all tools for it. Mitch is above average rim runner who also being victim of poor environment. I can see a lot Miles Turner in him.

I mean only nix and Jets can f things up picking so high for so long. I don't even know how they being able to do that, you have to have talent for it.

Huh

[GTR11]

Mitch is a stud center if he's healthy. IQ is a mid tier back up point guard at best to me. I think he's overrated right now.

IQ is Din 2.0 imo, with the right coach I think he will expend his game, got all tools for it. Mitch is above average rim runner who also being victim of poor environment. I can see a lot Miles Turner in him.

I mean only nix and Jets can f things up picking so high for so long. I don't even know how they being able to do that, you have to have talent for it.

Huh

Which part your owner and organization is trash you didn't get

[Prokorov]

Ben Simmons suspended for refusing to participate in drills

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[Stone]

Doc was about as diplomatic as you could be under the circumstances. He did come out with a few abrupt quips like "this is not reality its sports' and "none of your business'. Obviously he would rather not have to deal this BS. And Ben is not the first star player to pull a "Practice" tantrum. Let's see what happens but yeah, it does not look good for the Sixers and Ben Simons going forward.

[Prokorov]

Doc was about as diplomatic as you could be under the circumstances. He did come out with a few abrupt quips like "this is not reality its sports' and "none of your business'. Obviously he would rather not have to deal this BS. And Ben is not the first star player to pull a "Practice" tantrum. Let's see what happens but yeah, it does not look good for the Sixers and Ben Simons going forward.

Ben is acting a fool, but also, the team wanted him back in camp when the relationship clearly was over. they should have kept him away until they could trade him.

The team stood by and did nothing as embiid trashed him all summer. This is the result of tanking and treating guys like assets and not people. they want him back in camp to increase his value, but dont GAF about the person.

[MrDollarBills]

Doc was about as diplomatic as you could be under the circumstances. He did come out with a few abrupt quips like "this is not reality its sports' and "none of your business'. Obviously he would rather not have to deal this BS. And Ben is not the first star player to pull a "Practice" tantrum. Let's see what happens but yeah, it does not look good for the Sixers and Ben Simons going forward.

Ben is acting a fool, but also, the team wanted him back in camp when the relationship clearly was over. they should have kept him away until they could trade him.

The team stood by and did nothing as embiid trashed him all summer. This is the result of tanking and treating guys like assets and not people. they want him back in camp to increase his value, but dont GAF about the person.

The Sixers brought that foolishness on themselves.

As bad as things are here with Kyrie, at least the situation didn't turn completely toxic and if he gets vaccinated or comes back because restrictions ease in the spring, I'm sure everyone will welcome him back with open arms.

With that situation in Philly, you've got public sniping going on, guys selling their houses, and now guys getting kicked out of practice.

Leadership in organizations matter. No matter how pissed Marks is right now, you've got credit how things haven't gone completely off of the rails like they have over there.

Ben is being completely unprofessional but it takes two to tango. Embiid can't stop talking sh*t, which doesn't help.

[Prokorov]

KD going at it with people on twitter today.... im an odl man so its hard for me to link it but basically:

-NBA players saying its a joke kyrie wasnt on the top 75 list
-twitter heads are like "he isnt top 10000"
-other twitter guy is like fans like kyries game but nba players seem to love it
-other twitter guy si like, they dont get it, kyrie is cancer
-KD comes in and calls the dudes casuals, says Kyrie is easy top 75, probably top 20.
-twitter guys call KD a "twitter casual"
-KD is like, this is your king?
-twitter is like "you comoig at this dude on twitter is like him coming at you on a court
-KD is like "nah"

riveting stuff

[Prokorov]

Miami dominating the bucks... as i said earlier, the heat are the team we need to worry about. not the bucks.

Miami is insanely scary. I think they will win 65ish games and can beat us even with the big3. they are the best 2-way team we have seen in over a decade.

[ecuhus1981]

Miami dominating the bucks... as i said earlier, the heat are the team we need to worry about. not the bucks.

Miami is insanely scary. I think they will win 65ish games and can beat us even with the big3. they are the best 2-way team we have seen in over a decade.

It certainly didn't feel great to see that Miami absolutely embarrassed the Bucks. A 42-point drubbing??? It makes the opening night loss even more frustrating. Milwaukee isn't some juggernaut; our lack of adjustments, hustle and urgency made them look better than they are.

[ecuhus1981]

BTW, I've had Miami #3 in my EC rankings ever since the Lowry signing. However, I can't see them winning 65 games. They're gonna be ridiculously difficult to break down defensively, but I'm not quaking in my boots over their offense. Still, your point stands, I can easily see that they have all of the ingredients to beat us, even at full strength (whatever that means).

[MrDollarBills]

It's insane that Dwight got left off of the top 75 list. Dude has Hall of Fame credentials.

[MrDollarBills]

Miami dominating the bucks... as i said earlier, the heat are the team we need to worry about. not the bucks.

Miami is insanely scary. I think they will win 65ish games and can beat us even with the big3. they are the best 2-way team we have seen in over a decade.

It certainly didn't feel great to see that Miami absolutely embarrassed the Bucks. A 42-point drubbing??? It makes the opening night loss even more frustrating. Milwaukee isn't some juggernaut; our lack of adjustments, hustle and urgency made them look better than they are.

The Nets don't look like they can beat either team with their lack of urgency and hustle. Championship teams don't get beat on 50/50 balls consistently and this was a problem going back to last year. Dudes on this team ball watch instead of being proactive. Miami absolutely can beat us if we don't get our asses in gear.

[gigantes]

It's insane that Dwight got left off of the top 75 list. Dude has Hall of Fame credentials.

Arguably so, but there's always going to be some top names left out of these lists.

Also, I can legit see Dwight falling behind other players because of how little he developed his game beyond his rookie year. Because sometimes a super-talented player squandering his potential creates negatives in the voters' mouths.

Side note-- would we have been better off or worse off if the Nets had pried Howard away from ORL? Because the alleged price was four #1's, right? (which they turned down IIRC)

(I'm asking that in the wake of the disastrous moves that followed, of course)

[MrDollarBills]

It's insane that Dwight got left off of the top 75 list. Dude has Hall of Fame credentials.

Arguably so, but there's always going to be some top names left out of these lists.

Also, I can legit see Dwight falling behind other players because of how little he developed his game beyond his rookie year. Because sometimes a super-talented player squandering his potential creates negatives in the voters' mouths.

Side note-- would we have been better off or worse off if the Nets had pried Howard away from ORL? Because the alleged price was four #1's, right? (which they turned down IIRC)

(I'm asking that in the wake of the disastrous moves that followed, of course)

Dwight's resume:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01.html

8x All Star, 8x All NBA. 5X All Defensive, 3x DPOY. Multiple rebound and block titles. NBA Champion.

Dwight is a moron but his accolades are above reproach.

I think having a talent like Howard would have made a massive difference at that time. But who knows. We were doomed.

[NetsWorld]

Miami dominating the bucks... as i said earlier, the heat are the team we need to worry about. not the bucks.

Miami is insanely scary. I think they will win 65ish games and can beat us even with the big3. they are the best 2-way team we have seen in over a decade.

Saw portions of it as well, was great to see them get decimated but yes you are right, Miami will be a tough out, but I like our chances against them as long as chemistry is there( which I expect it to be) and they have a fully healthy big two. I still think a lot of people who are counting the Nets out are gonna eat crow. Defense does matter but you have to score to win and Harden/KD will not play the same way in the playoffs they way they are in; you best believe they will amp it up defensively in the PO and score a lto more points, and I expect Kyrie to be back by then.....SOMEHOW.

[gigantes]

Dwight's resume:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01.html

8x All Star, 8x All NBA. 5X All Defensive, 3x DPOY. Multiple rebound and block titles. NBA Champion.

Dwight is a moron but his accolades are above reproach.

I think having a talent like Howard would have made a massive difference at that time. But who knows. We were doomed.

Ah, but let's not forget, also an 18-year-running team cancer and all-around locker-room chemistry-killer. Or something in that neighborhood. But yeah, you're right.

That said, LeBron is a special player and special leader of men, and I love the way Dwight was brought on board the first time. (remember that, lol?)

[TheNetsFan]

It's insane that Dwight got left off of the top 75 list. Dude has Hall of Fame credentials.

Arguably so, but there's always going to be some top names left out of these lists.

Also, I can legit see Dwight falling behind other players because of how little he developed his game beyond his rookie year. Because sometimes a super-talented player squandering his potential creates negatives in the voters' mouths.

Side note-- would we have been better off or worse off if the Nets had pried Howard away from ORL? Because the alleged price was four #1's, right? (which they turned down IIRC)

(I'm asking that in the wake of the disastrous moves that followed, of course)

History of the Dwightmares: https://www.netsdaily.com/2018/6/20/17435204/a-history-of-the-dwightmares-i-through-v

So it depends on which Dwightmare we're talking about. The price dropped each time. Dwightmare 2, when he changed his mind & opted in killing the trade, per the article was for Lopez, Brooks, Okur (expiring) & 2-3 firsts. Given our subsequent recovery trades for Joe Johnson (it worked out in my opinion) & Gerald Wallace (Did not, because we traded a 1st for him, overpaid to keep him & then added extra picks to the KG+PP deal to dump him).

I think, had the deal happened, we may have been more patient. Does a potential DWill+JJ+Howard core do any better than a DWill+JJ+Lopez core? Maybe a little. At the end of the day, King's spendthrift ways got him fired & ushered in the Marks era. It was a means to an end.

[gigantes]

...At the end of the day, King's spendthrift ways got him fired & ushered in the Marks era. It was a means to an end.

That's some good sh-t, and thank you TNF for bringing it!

That said, I can't help but cringe-laugh at the hapless body of Nets fans, still thinking that this whole business was just 'Billy King going off the rails.'

Because there could not be a more foolish, less-engaged, less-informed take than 'it was all just Billy King going nuts, dude.'

Anyway...