PG: Scottie overwhelms Celtics

[Gold Dragon]

We've always been a better team when Fred shoots less. Only 10 FGA and an easy win. Coaches need to restrain him from chucking somehow.

Pretty much this. We’ll win more games with Fred putting up 10 shots than we will with him putting up 20.

I would say you have the causation reversed. If the team is playing well, Fred would not need to put up that many shots because his preference is to give up the ball and get others involved. The games he puts up a lot of shots in are those where the team as a whole is struggling and as one of the better ball handlers and shooters on the team, Fred feels he has no choice but to try and make something happen. Of course he knows his strengths are not in 1 v 1 basketball but when your offense is stalling, you have to do something. You can’t just dump it off to inferior less experienced players who are worse shooters and hope for the best. Hence the high volume shots associated with losses.

Hopefully with Barnes development and Pascal soon returning and OG eventually adding to his game, he will have fewer times he feels he needs to do this.

Fred’s strengths are being a key cog in 5 man sets and when all 5 guys are playing their roles well, Fred shines on fewer shots and the team wins.

[Indeed]

lol just looked at the boxscore. Banton with 2 assists in 3 minutes

Banton, Flynn, Johnson, and Champagnie will get a lot of time with the 905 this year...some of them will probably do double duty...end of bench with the Raptors and main guys for the 905.

I'm legitimately just as excited to see what they'll look like down there as I am to watch our main guys.

I am surprised you still have Banton in the 905. His impact on both end suggested that he should be good off the bench for 10 mins or so, and should travel with the team.

Banton still needs to adjust his passing at the NBA level, he got a lot of turnovers (improved a bit the last 2 games, or just not making passes?). His handle isn't NBA point guard yet as well. But I think he can stay with the main club and see how he can improve his jump shot. At least starting with free throws, I guess.

[mihaic]

lol just looked at the boxscore. Banton with 2 assists in 3 minutes

Banton, Flynn, Johnson, and Champagnie will get a lot of time with the 905 this year...some of them will probably do double duty...end of bench with the Raptors and main guys for the 905.

I'm legitimately just as excited to see what they'll look like down there as I am to watch our main guys.

Same, I have season seats to 905. I was hoping they'll send Barnes a few times as well but it seems out of the question now. Will be fun to watch these guys though.

[Green Backpack]

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37 points.

There's probably nobody here thinking he would have 37 points after two games.

Nobody.

Yup. Personally I was expecting maybe 16 after 2 games lol

[Indeed]

We've always been a better team when Fred shoots less. Only 10 FGA and an easy win. Coaches need to restrain him from chucking somehow.

Pretty much this. We’ll win more games with Fred putting up 10 shots than we will with him putting up 20.

I would say you have the causation reversed. If the team is playing well, Fred would not need to put up that many shots because his preference is to give up the ball and get others involved. The games he puts up a lot of shots in are those where the team as a whole is struggling and as one of the better ball handlers and shooters on the team, Fred feels he has no choice but to try and make something happen. Of course he knows his strengths are not in 1 v 1 basketball but when your offense is stalling, you have to do something. You can’t just dump it off to inferior less experienced players who are worse shooters and hope for the best. Hence the high volume shots associated with losses.

Hopefully with Barnes development and Pascal soon returning and OG eventually adding to his game, he will have fewer times he feels he needs to do this.

Fred’s strengths are being a key cog in 5 man sets and when all 5 guys are playing their roles well, Fred shines on fewer shots and the team wins.

I agree. VanVleet should be the same role back in his first three years playing beside Delon Wright, but now he will play with the main group.

VanVleet should play like Billups, setting up others and make big shots. His strength is being the clutch guy, but not volume guy.

[WaltFrazier]

lol just looked at the boxscore. Banton with 2 assists in 3 minutes

Banton, Flynn, Johnson, and Champagnie will get a lot of time with the 905 this year...some of them will probably do double duty...end of bench with the Raptors and main guys for the 905.

I'm legitimately just as excited to see what they'll look like down there as I am to watch our main guys.

I am surprised you still have Banton in the 905. His impact on both end suggested that he should be good off the bench for 10 mins or so, and should travel with the team.

Banton still needs to adjust his passing at the NBA level, he got a lot of turnovers (improved a bit the last 2 games, or just not making passes?). His handle isn't NBA point guard yet as well. But I think he can stay with the main club and see how he can improve his jump shot. At least starting with free throws, I guess.

But then the question is, would a stint in the 905 speed up his development. If he was running point for entire games. Malachi looked so much better in his few 905 games last year, it seemed to help his confidence. He got called back too soon because of covid, but then had many good moments in late season. On the other hand, where is he now?

I think a few 905 games for Danton would be good for him, not sure how many. And a bunch of our guys did it right? OG, Pascal, FVV, Boucher. It's not like a mark of shame.

[DreamTeam09]

Pretty much this. We’ll win more games with Fred putting up 10 shots than we will with him putting up 20.

I would say you have the causation reversed. If the team is playing well, Fred would not need to put up that many shots because his preference is to give up the ball and get others involved. The games he puts up a lot of shots in are those where the team as a whole is struggling and as one of the better ball handlers and shooters on the team, Fred feels he has no choice but to try and make something happen. Of course he knows his strengths are not in 1 v 1 basketball but when your offense is stalling, you have to do something. You can’t just dump it off to inferior less experienced players who are worse shooters and hope for the best. Hence the high volume shots associated with losses.

Hopefully with Barnes development and Pascal soon returning and OG eventually adding to his game, he will have fewer times he feels he needs to do this.

Fred’s strengths are being a key cog in 5 man sets and when all 5 guys are playing their roles well, Fred shines on fewer shots and the team wins.

I agree. VanVleet should be the same role back in his first three years playing beside Delon Wright, but now he will play with the main group.

VanVleet should play like Billups, setting up others and make big shots. His strength is being the clutch guy, but not volume guy.

I thought FVV played a perfect raptor game last night for him

[gbball]

lol just looked at the boxscore. Banton with 2 assists in 3 minutes

Banton, Flynn, Johnson, and Champagnie will get a lot of time with the 905 this year...some of them will probably do double duty...end of bench with the Raptors and main guys for the 905.

I'm legitimately just as excited to see what they'll look like down there as I am to watch our main guys.

Same, I have season seats to 905. I was hoping they'll send Barnes a few times as well but it seems out of the question now. Will be fun to watch these guys though.

I'd be surprised if they didn't when the schedule allows for it. If they can play for the 905 on an off day and be available for a Raps home game they'll do it. Especially if there are no minutes for those guys. Especially with Siakam and Yuta coming back and Dragic still on the team. They did something like that with Boucher IIRC

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his video pre-draft was 100% on the mark about scottie. so glad masai has a relationship with him.

[HumbleRen]

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[gbball]

One thing about Scottie is you just know once team's game plan for him and start ball pressuring him all of a sudden his passing ability will get even more highlighted.

That's the thing. It's like he wants to be able to provide whatever the team needs...with OG and Fred struggling in game 1, he was our best option that game and tonight he just took on that mantle from the get to.

He can do it if he needs to, but I think he'd prefer to spread the wealth. This team has a chance to be really dangerous once we hit our stride. I can't wait to see Siakam and Barnes together.

[Syd-TK3]

Trent will always be kind of a chucker but I'm happy to see his defense is picking up and he working. One of the main reasons they supposedly liked him

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Nba media loves to treat fans like dummies. You don’t see this in any other professional league.

[Los_29]

Scottie deserves some love by the media after that game.

If you will remember just a short time ago, everyone in the media was calling him a mistake at #4.

Were they?

Pretty much every draft analyst that I saw thought it was a good pick. Or maybe they just said that because they know they can't question Masai given his track record. lol.

Scottie for the most part was an absolute lock to be drafted in the top 5. Orlando and OKC had Scottie at #4 on their draft board. Some teams had Scottie even higher.

The media had a clear top 4 picks in the draft and Scottie was not part of that.

Not really though because leading up to the draft no one actually knew who the Raptors were taking. What was clear was Suggs had fallen out of that group with Mobley, Cade and Green and wasn't even a lock for #4.

It was a surprise in that people just assumed we'd go with Suggs because Lowry was leaving and Suggs would've slid right in. But he was by no means a lock at #4.

Lots of reputable draft analysts had Barnes quite high on their draft board. Higher than Suggs.

[djsunyc]

As an aside...my lawd Alvin Williams was so painful to listen to it almost made me miss Leo; ALMOST.

Nick Kypreos Was a train wreck as a analyst when he first started. Same with jimmy fallon.. get some reps and he’ll be fine.

alvin was perfectly fine last night. he also kept matt focused. i like the duo right now.

[Indeed]

Were they?

Pretty much every draft analyst that I saw thought it was a good pick. Or maybe they just said that because they know they can't question Masai given his track record. lol.

Scottie for the most part was an absolute lock to be drafted in the top 5. Orlando and OKC had Scottie at #4 on their draft board. Some teams had Scottie even higher.

The media had a clear top 4 picks in the draft and Scottie was not part of that.

Not really though because leading up to the draft no one actually knew who the Raptors were taking. What was clear was Suggs had fallen out of that group with Mobley, Cade and Green and wasn't even a lock for #4.

It was a surprise in that people just assumed we'd go with Suggs because Lowry was leaving and Suggs would've slid right in. But he was by no means a lock at #4.

Lots of reputable draft analysts had Barnes quite high on their draft board. Higher than Suggs.

People gave us a bad preseason because we drafted Barnes over Suggs, no?
I remember one of the preseason grade was mainly looked at drafting.

And no, I was on the draft board before lottery, and Barnes wasn't that high. He raised up after Draft Combine with his measurement like a C

[Truthrising]

Scottie Barnes literally put the Boston Celtics fans in full panic mode

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Nba media loves to treat fans like dummies. You don’t see this in any other professional league.

not really media. Thats dasvid thorpe a top end player develppment coach and whos son played with scottie this past year.

he called Barnes was his #1 pick before draft

[Indeed]

I would say you have the causation reversed. If the team is playing well, Fred would not need to put up that many shots because his preference is to give up the ball and get others involved. The games he puts up a lot of shots in are those where the team as a whole is struggling and as one of the better ball handlers and shooters on the team, Fred feels he has no choice but to try and make something happen. Of course he knows his strengths are not in 1 v 1 basketball but when your offense is stalling, you have to do something. You can’t just dump it off to inferior less experienced players who are worse shooters and hope for the best. Hence the high volume shots associated with losses.

Hopefully with Barnes development and Pascal soon returning and OG eventually adding to his game, he will have fewer times he feels he needs to do this.

Fred’s strengths are being a key cog in 5 man sets and when all 5 guys are playing their roles well, Fred shines on fewer shots and the team wins.

I agree. VanVleet should be the same role back in his first three years playing beside Delon Wright, but now he will play with the main group.

VanVleet should play like Billups, setting up others and make big shots. His strength is being the clutch guy, but not volume guy.

I thought FVV played a perfect raptor game last night for him

Second half, yes. I guess he and OG without a stretch 5 is still difficult to generate half court offense. He sometimes look for his points more than making the pass to the open man.

[djsunyc]