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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 2: New York Knicks (1-0) at Orlando Magic (0-1) - 10/22/21 at 7pm ET 

Post#381 » by Jiwol » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:02 pm

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MagicStarwipe wrote:We'll look a bit different once Pat Robertson, Okeke and Fultz get back, but it's still tank city. Just glad to see Bamba showing something. Franz looks like he might be solid and Suggs won't be this bad of a shot maker all season.
Pat...... Who?


I had no clue too but guess what, googling doesn't hurt!

"Marion Gordon "Pat" Robertson (born March 22, 1930) is an American media mogul, televangelist, political commentator, former Republican presidential candidate, and former Southern Baptist minister"
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Post#382 » by RookieStar » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:33 pm

So far this has been a roller-coaster of what we expected.

Sure deep down we know we were gonna rack up the L's. However, who here expected to see ( out of the younguns ) WCJ and Mo to be the one to improve a lot over RJ and Cole? Ending last season I think majority of us expected RJ and Cole to "level up" their games. Yet it's our 2 bigs that are doing so.
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Post#383 » by drsd » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:44 pm

p0peye wrote:If your single goal is to put 21 and under guys on the floor, you probably should've coached college basketball.


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The goal is to win. There is no other goal. When the Magic is sitting on a 27 game losing streak, are we still going to be talking about "player development".


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Post#384 » by SOUL » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:52 pm

Yeah, need to get -61 Ross out there guys!
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Post#385 » by KillMonger » Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:05 pm

Jiwol wrote:
KillMonger wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:We'll look a bit different once Pat Robertson, Okeke and Fultz get back, but it's still tank city. Just glad to see Bamba showing something. Franz looks like he might be solid and Suggs won't be this bad of a shot maker all season.
Pat...... Who?


I had no clue too but guess what, googling doesn't hurt!

"Marion Gordon "Pat" Robertson (born March 22, 1930) is an American media mogul, televangelist, political commentator, former Republican presidential candidate, and former Southern Baptist minister"
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Post#386 » by Optimus_Steel » Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:16 pm

KillMonger wrote:
Jiwol wrote:
KillMonger wrote:Pat...... Who?


I had no clue too but guess what, googling doesn't hurt!

"Marion Gordon "Pat" Robertson (born March 22, 1930) is an American media mogul, televangelist, political commentator, former Republican presidential candidate, and former Southern Baptist minister"
Oh.... Well..... Not touching that one
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Post#387 » by GelbeWand09 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:08 am

drsd wrote:
p0peye wrote:If your single goal is to put 21 and under guys on the floor, you probably should've coached college basketball.


And-1


The goal is to win. There is no other goal. When the Magic is sitting on a 27 game losing streak, are we still going to be talking about "player development".


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No its not this season. This is one of the youngest teams in the history of the NBA without maybe there 3 best players & a rookie coach.
Its the leaque worst team by design. We could have added 5 ok vets & win 5-10 games more but we didnt. That many people doesnt like that product i can understand but i'm surprised that some hardcore fans here are surprised by the result of this years team compilation. Young teams doesnt win. A Durant, Harden, Westbook team won barely 20 games when they were 19-20 years old. What u think a team with 5% of that talent gonna do? :lol:

Houston lost 20 games in a row last year. I'm pretty sure, 95% of the average fan cant even remember that anymore, because it helped them get the player most here wanted most.

Only goal this season is to find 2-3 players out of this roster who are part of our future & get a high pick.
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Post#388 » by drsd » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:17 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:No its not this season. This is one of the youngest teams in the history of the NBA without maybe there 3 best players & a rookie coach.


If you are saying the team cannot win, I agree with you over most of these next 20 games. The Magic is down 6 players and is not running anything resembling a set offense. There is both a lack of depth and of experience.

If you are saying the team should not win (to tank for lottery balls), tanking is a proven failed approach. The Magic has a lot of young players that need to learn good practices. The best practice is of courser known what is required to win game. Losing does not teach winning.


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Post#389 » by basketballRob » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:35 am

I think we'll try to win in the second half of the season. Right now it looks like they're just approaching games like practice and not even looking at the scoreboard.

If we want to win now we could sign some vets and barely play the young players. I just don't think you can have both, winning and playing all young players.

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Post#390 » by 89Magicfan » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:54 am

The goal is to develop into a winning team. You don’t just become one. Unless you sign 2-3 prime all stars. With this roster, it’s about developing into one.
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Post#391 » by yoyojw17 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:35 pm

basketballRob wrote:I think we'll try to win in the second half of the season. Right now it looks like they're just approaching games like practice and not even looking at the scoreboard.

If we want to win now we could sign some vets and barely play the young players. I just don't think you can have both, winning and playing all young players.

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I won't say that they are approaching it as practice.... They are legit doing their best... But the pieces have yet to fall into place. Which is essentially a learning curve.

On another note...
We played a Spurs team where many of the players have been under the tutelage of one of the best coaches for most of their careers.... Young yet with some seasoning. And then we lost to the Knicks who in the past have been a joke... But don't forget that joke turned into the number 4 team in the east last season. Lol

All of this while missing 5 of our rotation players... 2 of whom... If healthy and taken expected leaps forward... Are the leaders of our youth movement. What else do people expect. Lol

And it's funny... There were so many people echoing... "I don't care about winning and losing ...as long as our young players play and get experience" .... And now.... That is happening and somehow...people are getting mad... As we get off to a slow start and are heading towards possible #1 pick in another strong draft.

Whelp...damned if you do .. damned if you don't ...as usual for many. :lol:
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Post#392 » by Knightro » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:58 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:And it's funny... There were so many people echoing... "I don't care about winning and losing ...as long as our young players play and get experience" .... And now.... That is happening and somehow...people are getting mad... As we get off to a slow start and are heading towards possible #1 pick in another strong draft.


Give it another two weeks and once the outrage of how bad they really are wears off this place is going to become an absolute ghost town :lol:
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Post#393 » by pepe1991 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:59 pm

GelbeWand09 wrote:
drsd wrote:
p0peye wrote:If your single goal is to put 21 and under guys on the floor, you probably should've coached college basketball.


And-1


The goal is to win. There is no other goal. When the Magic is sitting on a 27 game losing streak, are we still going to be talking about "player development".


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No its not this season. This is one of the youngest teams in the history of the NBA without maybe there 3 best players & a rookie coach.
Its the leaque worst team by design. We could have added 5 ok vets & win 5-10 games more but we didnt. That many people doesnt like that product i can understand but i'm surprised that some hardcore fans here are surprised by the result of this years team compilation. Young teams doesnt win. A Durant, Harden, Westbook team won barely 20 games when they were 19-20 years old. What u think a team with 5% of that talent gonna do? :lol:

Houston lost 20 games in a row last year. I'm pretty sure, 95% of the average fan cant even remember that anymore, because it helped them get the player most here wanted most.

Only goal this season is to find 2-3 players out of this roster who are part of our future & get a high pick.


Where gist of things you are saying is true, there are few things that aren't correct.

This is one of the youngest teams in the history of the NBA without maybe there 3 best players & a rookie coach.

They just 3rd youngest. Memphis is younger...and way better for example. Hornets and Minessota are barley any younger ( like 0,1) and way better.


. A Durant, Harden, Westbook team won barely 20 games when they were 19-20 years old.

This is flat out false.
In first season of Westbrook, Durant and Harden together, they had 50-32 record. In year before OKC won 23 games.
But in offseason they drafted Harden and made callup for Ibaka who was drafted and stashed year prior.

Houston lost 20 games in a row last year. I'm pretty sure, 95% of the average fan cant even remember that anymore, because it helped them get the player most here wanted most.

It's perception. 76ers lost most games in history over span of 3 years. And whole things was brushed off as "process" . Years later it turned out 76ers sucessfully wasted 3 years of lifes of their fanbase because best process gave was one deep-ish playoff run in 10 years. So it turned out, in playoffs 5 years of sucking payoff was same as team that they scrapped together ( Igoudala, Lou Williams, Tad Young and Brand)... Second round exit in 7 games.

In last 15 years some of most humilating nba season were :
Bobcats 7-59- drafted MKG
76ers 10-72 - drafted Simmons
Nets 12-70 drafted Favors
Atlanta 13-69 - Marvin Williams
Heat 15-67 drafted Beasley
Minessota 15-67 Wes Johnson

So hopless sucking wasn't rewarding .

The thing is, if you can't win 20 games in nba, there is no way in hell adding one 19 years old kid will change tragjectory of your franchise. Maybe over few years that player become integral part of better future, but it's impossible to not see clear disfuction on teams incapable of even winning 20 out of 82 games that goes way deeper than just putting s***y players to get good draft picks.
And it's not hard to understand why. Your coaching,head coach, player selection, in game menagment , player development, defensvie & offensive coaches have to be worthless to achive that level of sucking. So whole structure around your team has to be pathetic. And after you "achive" 15 wins season, you are asking basically same people to now become good at things they are mastered- sucking? Yea... not gonna happen. Maybe if you draft Durant, Westbrook and Harden it will... but keep in mind even OKC changed coach during last sucking era ( PJ Carilsimo started 1-12 and got sacked and Brooks finished seaason with still bad but not that awful 22-47 record). And ultimately won nothing as team become way to expensive to keep all 4 guys together. (again, pretty much same that happend to Minessota as they couldn't afford to keep Lavine, Wiggins, Towns...).
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Post#394 » by pepe1991 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:06 pm

Knightro wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:And it's funny... There were so many people echoing... "I don't care about winning and losing ...as long as our young players play and get experience" .... And now.... That is happening and somehow...people are getting mad... As we get off to a slow start and are heading towards possible #1 pick in another strong draft.


Give it another two weeks and once the outrage of how bad they really are wears off this place is going to become an absolute ghost town :lol:


Every rebuild sounds like brilliant idea until you are two years deep into watching Cole Anthony , Mike James and Shane Larkin running your team. That's why in general i'm not big fan of teardowns . IT doesn't take any basketball knowledge to flush the toilet.
It would be much better for teams if nba reforms lottery into -even odds for everybody. It would force teams into finding alteranative ways to get better teams instad of god-awful menagments keeping their jobs , with pathetc records, hiding behind " rebuild".
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Post#395 » by tiderulz » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:19 pm

Knightro wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:And it's funny... There were so many people echoing... "I don't care about winning and losing ...as long as our young players play and get experience" .... And now.... That is happening and somehow...people are getting mad... As we get off to a slow start and are heading towards possible #1 pick in another strong draft.


Give it another two weeks and once the outrage of how bad they really are wears off this place is going to become an absolute ghost town :lol:

yeah, for some reason people thought we would actually be a good team this year. we had the 3rd worst record last year and replaced vets with rookies. we werent going to start the year off on some winning streak. we will still very likely be a bottom-10 team
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Post#396 » by pepe1991 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:36 pm

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Post#397 » by Optimus_Steel » Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:21 pm

It's not that people did not know or think we will suck, except maybe for the handful of optimists that buy into off season fluff pieces like this year the team working out together and thinking that means anything. It's more about anger that this is a decade into rebuilding and we have have a shockingly low level of talent, poor depth, still can't shoot, which also means this team will be bad for at least a couple of more years since the bar is so low. And it's the same story since the beginning, can't score, can't shot, can't get to the ft line. So by then we are approaching a decade and a half of futility, more dreadful uninteresting basketball. That's what pisses me off right now. The majority on here said we need to tear up the team when WeHam took over and there was no need to "evaluate" things. Well here we are in a worse off spot after all the evaluation....

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Post#398 » by 89Magicfan » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:14 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:It's not that people did not know or think we will suck, except maybe for the handful of optimists that buy into off season fluff pieces like this year the team working out together and thinking that means anything. It's more about anger that this is a decade into rebuilding and we have have a shockingly low level of talent, poor depth, still can't shoot, which also means this team will be bad for at least a couple of more years since the bar is so low. And it's the same story since the beginning, can't score, can't shot, can't get to the ft line. So by then we are approaching a decade and a half of futility, more dreadful uninteresting basketball. That's what pisses me off right now. The majority on here said we need to tear up the team when WeHam took over and there was no need to "evaluate" things. Well here we are in a worse off spot after all the evaluation....

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Post#399 » by zaymon » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:14 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:It's not that people did not know or think we will suck, except maybe for the handful of optimists that buy into off season fluff pieces like this year the team working out together and thinking that means anything. It's more about anger that this is a decade into rebuilding and we have have a shockingly low level of talent, poor depth, still can't shoot, which also means this team will be bad for at least a couple of more years since the bar is so low. And it's the same story since the beginning, can't score, can't shot, can't get to the ft line. So by then we are approaching a decade and a half of futility, more dreadful uninteresting basketball. That's what pisses me off right now. The majority on here said we need to tear up the team when WeHam took over and there was no need to "evaluate" things. Well here we are in a worse off spot after all the evaluation....

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Thing is we are constructed to be terrible. Everybody knows that when you are rebuilding you need to be super bad to secure higher picks. We abandoned building from the middle (like Bulls just did) when we traded Vucevic. What is happening right now is a natural consequence of trade deadline. If you were happy at that time, there is no logical explanation to be angry now.
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