PG Thread: Oh no, we suck again!

[Wharton Alum 08]

People saying Kemba defense is hurting us and comparing him to Elfrid is silly. Payton was one of the worst defenders in the league last year so to act like he was better is silly. I think it's more Fournier causing the problem. We're used covering for poor PG defense but not bad SG/SF defense Bullocks was an important piece to our defense last season and Fournier may not be horrible but he ain't good and he ain't a positive team defender out there.

Net rating after three games:

Kemba: -9.2
Fournier: +8.0

Kemba is killing us.

What is Rose's net rating?

[Chanel Bomber]

People saying Kemba defense is hurting us and comparing him to Elfrid is silly. Payton was one of the worst defenders in the league last year so to act like he was better is silly. I think it's more Fournier causing the problem. We're used covering for poor PG defense but not bad SG/SF defense Bullocks was an important piece to our defense last season and Fournier may not be horrible but he ain't good and he ain't a positive team defender out there.

Net rating after three games:

Kemba: -9.2
Fournier: +8.0

Kemba is killing us.

Yes but we were used to that last season too and made due so it can't be that is the issue. There's only one other difference to the starting 5. Fournier has good offensive impact but I think overall we can't cover for 2 bad team defenders instead of 1 like last year.

Fournier is a downgrade from Bullock defensively. But he's a major upgrade offensively.

I agree that the Knicks can't cover for two minus defenders. They needed a defensive point guard to make up for Fournier's deficiencies.

Kemba so far hasn't played well on either end, and it shows in the statistics. His defensive problems matter more than Fournier's because he doesn't make up for them on the offensive end of the floor.

But all those issues come up when you sign average players in free agency. If Fournier was a good defender, he would have been in high-demand in free agency, and he would've cost a lot more than we signed him for. But signing guys like him is exactly what treadmill teams do, because at the end of the day, he's just an average starter in the NBA. And signing average starters without a superstar on your roster will turn you into a treadmill team.

[Spree2Houston]

Fournier and Barrett don’t work well together. You should pair either with Burks or Grimes.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Obi was really bad in his limited minutes too...not only did he throw up some UFO's he was getting and-1 all over the place. That was the start of the magic run in the late 3rd/4th.

The Wagner dunk was filthy

[Chanel Bomber]

People saying Kemba defense is hurting us and comparing him to Elfrid is silly. Payton was one of the worst defenders in the league last year so to act like he was better is silly. I think it's more Fournier causing the problem. We're used covering for poor PG defense but not bad SG/SF defense Bullocks was an important piece to our defense last season and Fournier may not be horrible but he ain't good and he ain't a positive team defender out there.

Net rating after three games:

Kemba: -9.2
Fournier: +8.0

Kemba is killing us.

What is Rose's net rating?

Highest on the team at +27.4

He was #1 last year as well at +10.6

[mpharris36]

Obi was really bad in his limited minutes too...not only did he throw up some UFO's he was getting and-1 all over the place. That was the start of the magic run in the late 3rd/4th.

The Wagner dunk was filthy

that dunk was one of those that would make the player that was dunked on leave the court if they were playing streetball.

[Monk1718]

McBride will give us better minutes than Kemba right now

[GONYK]

On the positive, at least Mitch is ok and played really well

I'll take a healthy Mitch and an L over a W and Mitch out for the year.

I thought he was done the second I heard him scream

[thebuzzardman]

Well, there's a game I'm glad I missed. Had too many family commitments going on today and into tonight.

Without a single clue as to what happened, my only comment is as follows:

When a supposed playoff team loses to a team that's such a complete piece of sh*t like the Magic, it's an indication that the starting lineup has at least one, and possible two flawed players, players that have to be carried on a semi regular basis.

I'd say that's RJ and Kemba.

[F N 11]

Cole Anthony had 16 rebounds lol

[GONYK]

Obi was really bad in his limited minutes too...not only did he throw up some UFO's he was getting and-1 all over the place. That was the start of the magic run in the late 3rd/4th.

The Wagner dunk was filthy

If Mo Wagner dunks on you, I'm pretty sure it's in the CBA that you have to retire.

Just when Obi was showing signs too

[Deeeez Knicks]

On the positive, at least Mitch is ok and played really well

I'll take a healthy Mitch and an L over a W and Mitch out for the year.

I thought he was done the second I heard him scream

Same, that looked and sounded bad.

[Clyde_Style]

Net rating after three games:

Kemba: -9.2
Fournier: +8.0

Kemba is killing us.

Yes but we were used to that last season too and made due so it can't be that is the issue. There's only one other difference to the starting 5. Fournier has good offensive impact but I think overall we can't cover for 2 bad team defenders instead of 1 like last year.

Fournier is a downgrade from Bullock defensively. But he's a major upgrade offensively.

I agree that the Knicks can't cover for two minus defenders. They needed a defensive point guard to make up for Fournier's deficiencies.

Kemba so far hasn't played well on either end, and it shows in the statistics. His defensive problems matter more than Fournier's because he doesn't make up for them on the offensive end of the floor.

But all those issues come up when you sign average players in free agency. If Fournier was a good defender, he would have been in high-demand in free agency, and he would've cost a lot more than we signed him for. But signing guys like him is exactly what treadmill teams do, because at the end of the day, he's just an average starter in the NBA. And signing average starters without a superstar on your roster will turn you into a treadmill team.

I know Thibs wouldn't start him, but McBride surely look like an alpha defender. He has to play to balance out this roster. And Grimes too. Thibs lauded his defense. So play them

Kemba was supposed to be a bargain, but if he is this big a liability on defense then you have to treat him as a sunk cost and move on from him as a starter. The reality though is this FO is not going to be willing to take the PR hit if they fold on Kemba so quickly and that means he is going to be the starter for a while. Regardless, they need to play our rookies. They are going to be good players

[thebuzzardman]

Might be time to have that talk about RJ.

Cadillac Ntilikina is still a Ntilikina.

[mpharris36]

Obi was really bad in his limited minutes too...not only did he throw up some UFO's he was getting and-1 all over the place. That was the start of the magic run in the late 3rd/4th.

The Wagner dunk was filthy

If Mo Wagner dunks on you, I'm pretty sure it's in the CBA that you have to retire.

Just when Obi was showing signs too

I blame Rob he was talking mad spicy about Obi>Haliburton after just one game

[Monk1718]

Might be time to have that talk about RJ.

Cadillac Ntilikina is still a Ntilikina.

!!!!!!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

Might be time to have that talk about RJ.

Cadillac Ntilikina is still a Ntilikina.

!!!!!!!!!!!

It hurts to consider a #3 pick might be The Canadian French Prince

[3toheadmelo]

Might be time to have that talk about RJ.

Cadillac Ntilikina is still a Ntilikina.

!!!!!!!!!!!

gonna need you to morph frank into rj

[robillionaire]

The Wagner dunk was filthy

If Mo Wagner dunks on you, I'm pretty sure it's in the CBA that you have to retire.

Just when Obi was showing signs too

I blame Rob he was talking mad spicy about Obi>Haliburton after just one game

I'll hold the L on this one, this is why I never let myself have a glimmer of hope about anything

[thebuzzardman]

And just like that, Obi is Lance F*cking Toppin again.

Back in the gay porno budget bin.