Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[winforlose]

So I guess nobody likes my Steven Adams idea.

Adams is kinda washed up and kinda over rated.

[winforlose]

We need a big bruiser who can defend and rebound.

Does Derrick Favors have anything left in the tank? I’m sure OKC would give him up cheap - they got a 1st for absorbing his contract last year.

If Minnesota had useless expirings, Minnesota could get him for free since he has two years left, but unfortunately I don’t think he has enough left in the tank to justify trading our existing players for him. Would be an awesome rotational piece, though.

I checked and we could trade Prince for Favors straight up. Honestly, Favors would slot into Prince’s minutes anyway. You would play Favors with Reid and Vando. The downside is lack of shooting on the perimeter, but the upside is 3 big bodies down low to rebound and throw it back in. Lineups Dlo, Ant, JO, MCD, KAT. Beverly, Beasley, V8, Reid, Favors. You still have depth in every position with JMAC, Nowell, and Leo covering 1-3 and Layman who in a dire pinch can cover the 3-4 but would probably only be used if 4 or 5 guys were out and was absolutely necessary.

Edit to add, while Favors would be an extra year commitment, his salary is significantly lower than Princes. This move plus the trade exemption from the original Prince for Rubio move would give the wolves real money to work with either signing a 15th player (less likely at this point,) or trading for one and staying under the cap later. Favors makes 9.7 this year, Prince makes 13.0

[shangrila]

So I guess nobody likes my Steven Adams idea.

Adams is kinda washed up and kinda over rated.

He’s the same player he’s always been.

Is he perfect? No. Is he perfect for what we need? Yes.

[shrink]

So I guess nobody likes my Steven Adams idea.

I gave it a +1 because I think he’s the “type” of player we need. However, I agree with winlose that I’m not too sure what he’s got left right now, plus I think anyone who’s exclusively a center might be limited for minutes, unless we push some of Towns minutes to PF. I like the concept though.

[winforlose]

So I guess nobody likes my Steven Adams idea.

I gave it a +1 because I think he’s the “type” of player we need. However, I agree with winlose that I’m not too sure what he’s got left right now, plus I think anyone who’s exclusively a center might be limited for minutes, unless we push some of Towns minutes to PF. I like the concept though.

Just a heads up WFL is a faster abbreviation than winlose but I did get a kick out of it.

[BlacJacMac]

So I guess nobody likes my Steven Adams idea.

Adams is kinda washed up and kinda over rated.

He just turned 28 and is averaging 13/13/5 on the young season...

[Krapinsky]

So I guess nobody likes my Steven Adams idea.

Seems like Adams is more important to them as a starting 5 than he is to us as a back up 5 behind our franchise player, so conceptually I just don’t see it.

I also don’t see Adams and Towns playing together.

[Krapinsky]

We need a big bruiser who can defend and rebound.

Does Derrick Favors have anything left in the tank? I’m sure OKC would give him up cheap - they got a 1st for absorbing his contract last year.

If Minnesota had useless expirings, Minnesota could get him for free since he has two years left, but unfortunately I don’t think he has enough left in the tank to justify trading our existing players for him. Would be an awesome rotational piece, though.

I checked and we could trade Prince for Favors straight up. Honestly, Favors would slot into Prince’s minutes anyway. You would play Favors with Reid and Vando. The downside is lack of shooting on the perimeter, but the upside is 3 big bodies down low to rebound and throw it back in. Lineups Dlo, Ant, JO, MCD, KAT. Beverly, Beasley, V8, Reid, Favors. You still have depth in every position with JMAC, Nowell, and Leo covering 1-3 and Layman who in a dire pinch can cover the 3-4 but would probably only be used if 4 or 5 guys were out and was absolutely necessary.

Edit to add, while Favors would be an extra year commitment, his salary is significantly lower than Princes. This move plus the trade exemption from the original Prince for Rubio move would give the wolves real money to work with either signing a 15th player (less likely at this point,) or trading for one and staying under the cap later. Favors makes 9.7 this year, Prince makes 13.0

I’d rather keep Prince personally. I think we could get a comparable player to Favors without having to take on that contract. We only need a guy that will play 12-15 minutes per game most nights.

[thinktank]

Based on what’s out there, I would rather cut a guy and pick up the biggest, baddest D Leaguer, whoever that is. If possible.

[shrink]

So I guess nobody likes my Steven Adams idea.

I gave it a +1 because I think he’s the “type” of player we need. However, I agree with winlose that I’m not too sure what he’s got left right now, plus I think anyone who’s exclusively a center might be limited for minutes, unless we push some of Towns minutes to PF. I like the concept though.

Just a heads up WFL is a faster abbreviation than winlose but I did get a kick out of it.

LOL! Two things..

1. As I get older, it looks like I’m starting to butcher poster names - not just player names! Yikes!

2. Also, we older guys need to be careful when we use initials, because it might be an acronym for some internet term we don’t even know. I’m glad WFL is safe - I’ll try not to call you WTF.

[wolfen]

Haven't read through the thread (and haven't posted in quite awhile) but here's what I'm thinking, and tell me if I'm on to something or I'm on something...

Simmons would be great, yes. But if he were magically on the wolves tonight and started, would he guard Valancunas? I'm thinking no. I'm concerned about getting a big who actually guards opposing centers.

Anyways, I have an idea for an "overpay" for an "unknown". It would involve trading for a rookie from another team who isn't even in said team's rotation, because he's a rookie, and there are supposedly better vet options. I know trades like this don't even happen, but why couldn't they? I still think Jericho Sims (knicks) would be the perfect get to add to this roster to guard the bigger bigs and help on the boards. He's older for a rookie so he's not so green. NYK have plenty of bigs - Robinson, Noel, Gibson, Randle, Toppin, Sumanic. At 6-10, 250 lbs, 7-4 wingspan, and super athletic, he'd be perfect for the wolves. Is Nowell for Sims fair or even doable? If not, any other trade possibilities that could bring in Simms using spare parts?

PS - I was SCREAMING for us to trade back into late round 2 to nab him in the draft, he went 2 from the end!!!

[King Malta]

So I guess nobody likes my Steven Adams idea.

I don't hate the idea of getting Steven Adams to add some muscle and rebounding into the back-up 5 spot, I'm just not thrilled about giving up Beasley to do it, even though Adams' salary would be hard to match up otherwise.

[winforlose]

@Shangrila

My take is that Naz cannot be moved as part of this deal. The whole net gain is for Adams to start beside KAT and rotate to play Reid as well. With the trade exemption we can send Beasley for Adams straight up or throw in Layman if they want him for expiring value. I would not add picks to it as I don’t see Adam’s as still being as good as he was with OKC (see last seasons numbers,) but I am not opposed so long as the cost was only Beasley. We need size and rebounding ASAP.

[Slim Tubby]

So I guess nobody likes my Steven Adams idea.

On the contrary…I though it was a very creative idea that I’d do in a minute.


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[shangrila]

So I guess nobody likes my Steven Adams idea.

On the contrary…I though it was a very creative idea that I’d do in a minute.


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[King Malta]

So I guess nobody likes my Steven Adams idea.

On the contrary…I though it was a very creative idea that I’d do in a minute.


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DLo for Adams and filler.

[Norseman79]

Anyone who still doesn't see the need for a physical big is just delusional

[FinnTheHuman]

A simple Kevin Love for D'Angelo Russell swap would work magic for us imo. Cavs got Sexton/Garland/Rubio/Okoro at the guard positions, so they have no incentive to do this deal, so I'd be down to even sweeten it with a lottery protected 1st rounder or a couple of 2nds so that they accept the deal. Or maybe find a 3rd team that gets DLo for a couple of overpaid ~15 mil guys that they want to get rid of.

Kevin Love is ironically a great fit with his skillset for us imo. We gamble on his health, but yea.

[minimus]

A simple Kevin Love for D'Angelo Russell swap would work magic for us imo. Cavs got Sexton/Garland/Rubio/Okoro at the guard positions, so they have no incentive to do this deal, so I'd be down to even sweeten it with a lottery protected 1st rounder or a couple of 2nds so that they accept the deal. Or maybe find a 3rd team that gets DLo for a couple of overpaid ~15 mil guys that they want to get rid of.

Kevin Love is ironically a great fit with his skillset for us imo. We gamble on his health, but yea.

How weird modern NBA is that even washed, mentally broken 33yo Love will ourebound most starting PF and entire Wolves frontcourt.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

The real problem is that he cant hit anything, even from mid range. I think his passing and rebounding will be always elite, but without shooting he is not a starter quality big. I dont know if his shooting slump is related to bad shape though

[FinnTheHuman]

A simple Kevin Love for D'Angelo Russell swap would work magic for us imo. Cavs got Sexton/Garland/Rubio/Okoro at the guard positions, so they have no incentive to do this deal, so I'd be down to even sweeten it with a lottery protected 1st rounder or a couple of 2nds so that they accept the deal. Or maybe find a 3rd team that gets DLo for a couple of overpaid ~15 mil guys that they want to get rid of.

Kevin Love is ironically a great fit with his skillset for us imo. We gamble on his health, but yea.

How weird modern NBA is that even washed, mentally broken 33yo Love will ourebound most starting PF and entire Wolves frontcourt.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

The real problem is that he cant hit anything, even from mid range. I think his passing and rebounding will be always elite, but without shooting he is not a starter quality big. I dont know if his shooting slump is related to bad shape though

We wouldn't need him to shoot if he can't, just let him play in the low post and create from there. But I'm confident he could regain his jumper partially after playing himself into better shape over time. Anyways, as you said, you get him for rebounding, passing, moving without the ball, and being a decent positional defender.