Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 4.0

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah. I see Jalen not extending simply for situation and chance, much like Jerami Grant left Denver for a better “chance” in Detroit. I don’t think this one comes down to money.

DFS is different. I agree that the 20% of league average would be more money than he’ll get on the market. Here’s essentially no cap space, and the MLE would be less than that elsewhere. But that leads me to believe that Dallas likely isn’t offering that, if they’re offering extensions at all, to him or others.

Yeah I would agree Jalen should probably test the market. But I selfishly want to keep him so....

But yeah maybe Dallas isn't trying to extend Dorian, but I honestly can't think of any reason not to. They know who he is. He's clearly still a player they value as he's starting and playing good minutes. And they aren't projected to have cap space regardless and even on a 3/$40M deal he'd still be movable because of his player type.

I sure hope they aren't lowballing him after getting him on such a bargain deal this past time. They need to do right by him imo.

[NYG]

How many weeks from now will we see the first trade? I'm thinking give it til mid-November and we'll see a Bagley trade.

[blind prophet]

How many weeks from now will we see the first trade? I'm thinking give it til mid-November and we'll see a Bagley trade.

I dunno. I don't feel like there is urgency to move him. I'd wager on or after December 15th as more pieces could be moved.

[NYG]

How many weeks from now will we see the first trade? I'm thinking give it til mid-November and we'll see a Bagley trade.

I dunno. I don't feel like there is urgency to move him. I'd wager on or after December 15th as more pieces could be moved.

I could see it being one of those "meh... alright." kind of deal from each side like Bagley for Thaddeus Young. Only concern would be Tim Duncan turns Bagley into a starting big.

[Texas Chuck]

Eric Gordon played Dallas tonight like he wanted to make that Powell/Burke deal happen lol. All those wild and talented kids, a couple athletic but kind of wild bigs in Theis and Wood, and Eric Gordon out there calm and cool and getting buckets like the professional scorer he is. And getting under Luka's skin on the defensive end too.

[shangrila]

How many weeks from now will we see the first trade? I'm thinking give it til mid-November and we'll see a Bagley trade.

I dunno. I don't feel like there is urgency to move him. I'd wager on or after December 15th as more pieces could be moved.

I could see it being one of those "meh... alright." kind of deal from each side like Bagley for Thaddeus Young. Only concern would be Tim Duncan turns Bagley into a starting big.

I thought Duncan left their coaching staff? Or did he come back?

[daoneandonly]

Eric Gordon played Dallas tonight like he wanted to make that Powell/Burke deal happen lol. All those wild and talented kids, a couple athletic but kind of wild bigs in Theis and Wood, and Eric Gordon out there calm and cool and getting buckets like the professional scorer he is. And getting under Luka's skin on the defensive end too.

Yea he was having his way yesterday, wouldnt mind that trade. But goodness, I thought Frank and Sterling were supposed to be plus defenders.

[LAL1947]

More ranting and whining from Gambling Bob, but if this is true, then Nelson should have been fire don the spot on draft day 2020. It was a dreadful day for the Mavs regardless, Josh Green has been nothing short of suck so far, and Terry isnt even on the team anymore. Meanwhile guys like Bey and Bane are doing quite well

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/10/25/haralabos-voulgaris-mavericks-gm-donnie-nelson-got-upset-disappeared-during-2020-draft/

It's not a good look for both. Sounds like Donnie definitely could have done better as GM... but after actually listening to Gambling Bob's interview and what he has to say, how he says it, the way he thinks, as well as his voice/intonations... it seems to me like he's a bit of a C-word. Might even be quite a large one and not just a little one.

[daoneandonly]

More ranting and whining from Gambling Bob, but if this is true, then Nelson should have been fire don the spot on draft day 2020. It was a dreadful day for the Mavs regardless, Josh Green has been nothing short of suck so far, and Terry isnt even on the team anymore. Meanwhile guys like Bey and Bane are doing quite well

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/10/25/haralabos-voulgaris-mavericks-gm-donnie-nelson-got-upset-disappeared-during-2020-draft/

It's not a good look for both. Sounds like Donnie definitely could have done better as GM... but after actually listening to Gambling Bob's interview and what he has to say, how he says it, the way he thinks, as well as his voice/intonations... it seems to me like he's a bit of a C-word. Might even be quite a large one and not just a little one.

No doubt all signs point to him being a world class jerk, and I've always maintained that Cuban was and is one as well, and this kind of proves that for him bringing this guy in the first place.

[BlazersBroncos]

WCS / Burke / SRP for Gordon would be huge for Dallas. Have thought so for some time.

Opens some time for KMJ as well in Houston (Assuming some guys slide up a spot in the minutes distribution). Not sure how he is only getting 7mpg after the nice little rookie season he had.

[daoneandonly]

WCS / Burke / SRP for Gordon would be huge for Dallas. Have thought so for some time.

Opens some time for KMJ as well in Houston (Assuming some guys slide up a spot in the minutes distribution). Not sure how he is only getting 7mpg after the nice little rookie season he had.

Gordon doesnt have that much value. Cant see Dallas taking on Gordon's contract without Powell going out, it has to begin there.

[Texas Chuck]

WCS / Burke / SRP for Gordon would be huge for Dallas. Have thought so for some time.

Opens some time for KMJ as well in Houston (Assuming some guys slide up a spot in the minutes distribution). Not sure how he is only getting 7mpg after the nice little rookie season he had.

Gordon doesnt have that much value. Cant see Dallas taking on Gordon's contract without Powell going out, it has to begin there.

We can argue the value but the bottom line is WCS/Burke don't make enough money to salary match so it would have to be structured differently.

But for the record Rockets fans have been on board with taking Powell back in a Gordon deal. And of course if Gordon plays well and stays healthy leading to the deadline, can always do the jay trick with Powell where he goes out, but Houston doesn't take him on.

I actually don't think Dallas is the right Gordon team because contract matching isn't perfect, but some team should definitely pick him up.

[K_chile22]

EG is picking up where he left off with his good play last year. If he can stay on the floor until the deadline (big if at this point) I think they can do better than Powell, especially if he found his shot again, but obviously still tbd on that

[Texas Chuck]

EG is picking up where he left off with his good play last year. If he can stay on the floor until the deadline (big if at this point) I think they can do better than Powell, especially if he found his shot again, but obviously still tbd on that

Yeah agreed. If he's healthy the small money savings of the Powell/Burke offer aren't enough and Dallas would have to re-route Powell and/or add actual assets.

But also I think there are better landing spots. I'd love to see Boston do Richardson(ideally to a 3rd team for an expiring)/Hernangomez/small incentive for Gordon. I'd love to see Chicago do DJJ/White/Brown/small incentive for Gordon/House--though tax may be an issue there. Clippers do Bledsoe/small incentive for Gordon. Maybe one or two others.

[Resistance]

Dwight Powell.....$11,080,125....$11,080,125
Trey Burke...........$3,150,000.....$3,300,000 - PO

Eric Gordon........$18,218,818....$19,568,360.......$20,917,902 - Non-Guaranteed


There is the potential for some nice savings for Houston if they can get the trade done.


Since Gordon will be 33 in a few months, there are going to be 8 teams at a minimum that he doesn't fit just because of where they are in the Build - Contend - Rebuild cycle. After eliminating more teams that already have the bench scorer role already covered, the market for Gordon isn't going to be that big.

[Texas Chuck]

Dwight Powell.....$11,080,125....$11,080,125
Trey Burke...........$3,150,000.....$3,300,000 - PO

Eric Gordon........$18,218,818....$19,568,360.......$20,917,902 - Non-Guaranteed


There is the potential for some nice savings for Houston if they can get the trade done.


Since Gordon will be 33 in a few months, there are going to be 8 teams at a minimum that he doesn't fit just because of where they are in the Build - Contend - Rebuild cycle. After eliminating more teams that already have the bench scorer role already covered, the market for Gordon isn't going to be that big.

Kchile and I had verbally agreed to that deal as is. But the point he and I are making is that part of the reason just those money savings would be enough is because Gordon has been missing quite a few games. In this scenario we are projecting a healthy year(yes I realize this is premature) in which case I think he and I both believe the talent difference is significant enough where Houston would deserve some additional compensation.

Obviously if he continues to miss games, then Houston probably takes the money savings, and the tanking help and Powell being such a quality veteran to replace the loss of the veteran Gordon helps ease that part of it with such a young team.

[Resistance]

Dwight Powell.....$11,080,125....$11,080,125
Trey Burke...........$3,150,000.....$3,300,000 - PO

Eric Gordon........$18,218,818....$19,568,360.......$20,917,902 - Non-Guaranteed


There is the potential for some nice savings for Houston if they can get the trade done.


Since Gordon will be 33 in a few months, there are going to be 8 teams at a minimum that he doesn't fit just because of where they are in the Build - Contend - Rebuild cycle. After eliminating more teams that already have the bench scorer role already covered, the market for Gordon isn't going to be that big.

Kchile and I had verbally agreed to that deal as is. But the point he and I are making is that part of the reason just those money savings would be enough is because Gordon has been missing quite a few games. In this scenario we are projecting a healthy year(yes I realize this is premature) in which case I think he and I both believe the talent difference is significant enough where Houston would deserve some additional compensation.

Obviously if he continues to miss games, then Houston probably takes the money savings, and the tanking help and Powell being such a quality veteran to replace the loss of the veteran Gordon helps ease that part of it with such a young team.

I agree about Gordon's history of missing games due to injury. If I was Houston, I would ask for some additional incentive, but wouldn't let it be a dealbreaker if Dallas refused to add anything. I keep thinking back to Sacramento wanting a first in a Hield trade to the Lakers. Things dragged on a bit and that gave Westbrook the opportunity to ask the Washington owner to tell the Washington FO to get Westbrook to LA. If Sacramento wouldn't have let things get hung up on getting that compensation, they would have moved Hield and had maybe would have Kuzma and perhaps/probably Harrell to deal with. Westbrook would probably still be with the Wizards.

TLDR:
There are times to push for more in a trade and there are times to accept a reasonable offer.


At the moment the vets in the rotation are Gordon, Theis and Wood. If Houston traded with Dallas and they also traded Wood, then the vets would be Theis, Powell and perhaps/probably some guard that came in via the Wood trade.

[ThatBoyNick]

But for the record Rockets fans have been on board with taking Powell back in a Gordon deal.

That was before we signed Theis, for me. That would have been Powell's role, now with Theis and Sengun in the frontcourt, I'd rather just keep EG than move him for another tweener big, EG brings some scoring consistency and defensive strength in our backcourt that I'd value more than the depth and cap relief for a non-tax team.

But maybe if Powell was open to a buyout and we really wanted to do EG a solid, our team has been kind of feverish in pleasing the outgoing vets.

[parsnips33]

Warriors could use an upgrade at starting center, but I think they'll still be closing games small so wouldn't want to make too big of an investment there.

Is Robin Lopez available? Anybody else who would fit the bill, maybe Theis? Somebody who can provide spacing (either as a lob threat or a shooter) would be ideal

[toooskies]

Warriors could use an upgrade at starting center, but I think they'll still be closing games small so wouldn't want to make too big of an investment there.

Is Robin Lopez available? Anybody else who would fit the bill, maybe Theis? Somebody who can provide spacing (either as a lob threat or a shooter) would be ideal

Those guys should be available as long as the young guys do their jobs, but I'd imagine they're more likely to be available closer to the deadline. I'm not sure how much of an upgrade you get over Looney, though, and I can't imagine you want to block Wiseman's path to minutes even more.