Options to fix the PF hole

[MGB8]

Just so we are on the same page . . . Bagley sucks. He also really doesn't fit what the Bulls are trying to do.

I'm really stunned at some of the names coming up. DJJ and Javonte aren't playing that bad. What is the point in giving up an asset for a player worse than them?

As a hedge. Granted, that's what Alize Johnson should be, too. But, again, as a hedge against further injury and/or needing another "big wing" to replace Pat's spot on the roster - for depth purposes.

None of the remaining guys have a build that's as thick / strong as Pat's, nor even his relatively not-that-big size (though DJJ makes up for that somewhat with arm length).

[Michael Jackson]

I wish we had tried to acquire Cam Reddish in the off-season. He's the type of player that would fit what we want out of our PF.

Don’t think Atlanta wants to move him though unless they get something good back. He improved before injury last year. His contract is also great value right now and after they had to pay Collins they need value.

[Global Game]

In:
Tristan Thompson and Cheick Diallo

Out:
Troy Brown Jr and Matt Thomas

Improving rebounding makes this team a 1 or 2 seed.
Improving offensive rebounding (with this teams the ball movement and shot creators) makes this a finals team.

[GoBlue72391]

People want Kevin Knox?

FacePalm and ROTFLMAO at the same time!!!!

Yeah, he truly sucks. He's in contention for worst player in the league. I have no idea why anyone would want him aside from the abstract hope that his "potential" just magically pans out.

[GoBlue72391]

I wonder if Josh Jackson, currently in Detroit, is gettable.

Don't he and Zach have beef? Not worth it IMO.

[GoBlue72391]

Genuine question:

What do people think Marvin Bagley would cost? He has his obvious limitations, but I think he could work in our system and could play C with the second unit.

Do the Kings give him up for a bunch of seconds?

It's only been what, a 3-4 game sample size, but Green and DJJ seem to be holding down the PF spot fine, at least as good as someone like Bagley would, so is it worth it to give up our only true bench scorer (Coby) and a future pick for a guy who may or may not help us any more than our current options? IMO the answer is no. I don't think TBJ is good enough to be the centerpiece of a trade, so I think Coby plus picks is what he would cost, and I pass on that as of right now (and I'm not particularly high on Coby either).

[GoBlue72391]

Genuine question:

What do people think Marvin Bagley would cost? He has his obvious limitations, but I think he could work in our system and could play C with the second unit.

Do the Kings give him up for a bunch of seconds?

He isn't getting any playing time. I'd throw a second and some cash considerations at the Kings and see what kind of a response we get.


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

They could get that from any team in the league at any time. I don't see them going for that. He's still a former top 3 pick, so I think at a minimum they would want picks plus a swap of another floundering former lottery pick.

[GoBlue72391]

Bagleys a bum I’m glad Walton straight took him out of the rotation. IIRC the Kings save a ton of money if he doesn’t meet a minutes clause in his contract which would make him more appealing in a trade at the deadline? I could be wrong.

He’s cancer - you don’t willingly invite cancer into the organism.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe rookie scale contracts contain incentives like that, as I believe they're non-negotiable. Again, I could be wrong, so don't quote me on that.

[GoBlue72391]

Josh Jackson could probably be had for not too much, could maybe swap straight for Troy Brown although I think they are pretty similar

Batum is really interesting to me. I think its unlikely, Batum would have to request out because he has a no trade clause and the Clippers would have to be down really far in the standings but I could see a world that it happens. If we take him on using just an exception it would help the Clippers with that massive luxury tax bill that they have for a bad team.

Kenrich Williams on OKC is someone I like too. I don't think OKC will move him but they need roster spots and playing time for the barrage of picks they have coming in.

Danuel House I think for sure will be traded its just a question of how much the Rockets are looking to get back.

Brandon Clarke is another unlikely one but he is out of the rotation in Memphis right now and in a similar situation to Reddish in Atlanta.

I'd much rather just keep TBJ then trade him for Jackson. He's flashed potential as a toolsy 3&D wing and doesn't have any attitude issues like Jackson.

[GoBlue72391]

In:
Tristan Thompson and Cheick Diallo

Out:
Troy Brown Jr and Matt Thomas

Improving rebounding makes this team a 1 or 2 seed.
Improving offensive rebounding (with this teams the ball movement and shot creators) makes this a finals team.

Diallo isn't even in the NBA at the moment lol. Did you mean someone else? Also, Thompson is pretty much strictly a 5. He can't shoot, defend the perimeter, or protect the rim so I don't see how he helps us. I don't even think he would get minutes here with Vuch ahead of him and Bradley playing very well.

[panthermark]

Genuine question:

What do people think Marvin Bagley would cost? He has his obvious limitations, but I think he could work in our system and could play C with the second unit.

Do the Kings give him up for a bunch of seconds?

It's only been what, a 3-4 game sample size, but Green and DJJ seem to be holding down the PF spot fine, at least as good as someone like Bagley would, so is it worth it to give up our only true bench scorer (Coby) and a future pick for a guy who may or may not help us any more than our current options? IMO the answer is no. I don't think TBJ is good enough to be the centerpiece of a trade, so I think Coby plus picks is what he would cost, and I pass on that as of right now (and I'm not particularly high on Coby either).

I would have given up DJJ for Bagley, but that was pretty much my limit. That was prior to game 6 when DJJ was glued to the bench and Pat was getting minutes he probably should not have gotten. Now that DJJ is actually playing, I feel like we can "plug the hole for now", so I'm not quite as gung ho on it, but it feels like a temporary solution. DJJ isn't the long term PF, an Pat was playing poorly. It took an injury to get the better player on the floor. The hole is kinda patched for now, but we still need size, and better play from whomever (Pat?) will be the PF long term. While they are playing well, I'm not thrilled at running a 6'4 guard and 6'5 SF as our PF.
What we could use is a trade where we get the 6'9 or 6'10 equivalent of Green or DJJ (in terms of impact). Maybe we can find a Taj Gibson type that signs for the vet min at the deadline.

[FriedRise]

I would hold off on making moves to see if there is a real problem or if we have fixed it by playing longer/taller guys like DJJ and Bradley. We may still get out-rebounded, but if it's only by a few boards per game and we're still winning games because we're bothering teams some other ways (blocking, contesting, stealing, deflecting), I wouldn't change a thing.

When Coby comes back, he's also another player who's an above average rebounder for a guard in addition to providing more offense.

[logical_art]

I would hold off on making moves to see if there is a real problem or if we have fixed it by playing longer/taller guys like DJJ and Bradley. We may still get out-rebounded, but if it's only by a few boards per game and we're still winning games because we're bothering teams some other ways (blocking, contesting, stealing, deflecting), I wouldn't change a thing.

When Coby comes back, he's also another player who's an above average rebounder for a guard in addition to providing more offense.

I think the Bulls should be building to beat the Bucks, not just be happy with 50 plus wins in the regulars season. Beating the Bucks will be lots easier with someone who stands a chance to slow down Giannis without a ton of help on every possession. I don't think that guy is on the roster. There's nobody who even comes remotely close to being able to match the length + strength + athleticism profile outside of the injured PWill.

So I think that's the PF the Bulls should get -- someone with a chance at making life harder on for Giannis. And that profile fits very well with what the Bulls need anyway. They already have two solid centers and a bunch of OK SFs. They need a proper athletic, long and strong PF.

Edit: So on the general board, the consensus seems to be that strength and quick feet rather are the keys to contending with Giannis. Makes sense, since you're not going to really contest his shot with his freak length. That kind of makes an argument for bringing back Stanley Johnson, who does have strength and quick feet (if not much else).

[d boy gentleman]

If the Bulls do make a move, it will be a deadline day move. There's no need to make a panic trade now when there most definitely be players available come February...

[d boy gentleman]

IF Thaddeus Young could have been bought out, wait 30 days and resign with us, I'd be for that. But alas, no

[Michael Jackson]

IF Thaddeus Young could have been bought out, wait 30 days and resign with us, I'd be for that. But alas, no

He could come back next year though, and that might be possible.

[d boy gentleman]

IF Thaddeus Young could have been bought out, wait 30 days and resign with us, I'd be for that. But alas, no

He could come back next year though, and that might be possible.

Yeah, but we could sure use him now

[Michael Jackson]

IF Thaddeus Young could have been bought out, wait 30 days and resign with us, I'd be for that. But alas, no

He could come back next year though, and that might be possible.

Yeah, but we could sure use him now

True but we might need him more next year. I think we will be closer to peak then.

[HomoSapien]

We just need the option to be able to play bigger at the 4. We don’t have to use it regularly, but being unable to do so sucks. Even if we play Alize next to Vuc/Bradley we’d still be small at that spot.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Sam Dekker just got waived he can play a bit and has some size.