The Official Jalen Suggs Thread

[tiderulz]

So since 6 games in is all telling…..who would you have picked?

no one else,suggs was #2 on my board,i was ecstatic when we draft him.
and i was deadly wrong,as the majority of scouts and gm.

but drafts are always like this,when we had worst record in the league giannis and gobert went like #15 and #28,nothing you can do about that

Bruh it's been 5-6 games don't give up yet, you trippin. He's clearly shown some legit NBA skills that boarder on elite. His defense and passing in transition is borderline elite already. Yes he'll need to improve consistency and his handle, but so does Jalen Green. But unlike Green Suggs is able to contribute to winning basketball by being a willing passer and fiesty defender.

Suggs isn't the instant offense you/we probably would have liked, but that doesn't mean he can't put it together. He clealy IMO at least plays with a chip on his shoulder(especially on defense). If people think Suggs is playing bad, I wonder what they think of the way Green's been playing.

Spoiler:

I just want to add not all Raptor fans are the same, and apologize on behalf of the loud minority. I was a Suggs fan pre draft and remain one now. Obviously I'm team Barnes, but that doesn't mean I don't want everyone to reach their ceiling. Temp ban those that derail or antagonize IMO

he isnt a real Magic fan, so dont worry about talking him off a ledge. i agree we all need to let these players develop. and some teams (Toronto for example) already have a great player development program in place while teams like Orlando have brand new coaches. We are already seeing some dividends on that with Bamba's play. But our new coach will need some time to find his footing. And declaring anything about any player 6 games into their career just makes you look foolish

[PrimeThyme]

All you have to do is look around the league right now at the other guards who were drafted in the top 5 (Green/Cade), && it's pretty clear to see the similarities.

Being a lead young guard in this league is just a tough transition.

There are always exceptions (Morant/Luka/Lamelo though his defense is still a work in progress), but for the most part, Guards are going to struggle early on. Particularly as shooters/scorers as the game is still sped up for them.

Suggs/Green are playing next to zero offensive creators. The ball swings to them and their options are to create a shot at the rim off the dribble or to shoot a 3 off the dribble. That's a tough ask early on. We have to be thankful that Suggs is showing as much as he is in the other areas of the game. Green is much more limited everywhere else outside of scoring, so his start has been a bit more concerning IMO.

The guard who has arguably looked the best, at least on a percentage basis, is Giddey, && I don't think it's a coincidence that he's also the one who's playing next to an elite creator in SGA.

It makes the transition a whole lot easier.

Forwards like Barnes/Wagner just have more ideal roles on offense right now that play to their strengths as players. Bouknight/Primo aren't even logging minutes atm, much less being asked to do as much as Suggs/Green/Cade. Duarte is 24.

[basketballRob]

All you have to do is look around the league right now at the other guards who were drafted in the top 5 (Green/Cade), && it's pretty clear to see the similarities.

Being a lead young guard in this league is just a tough transition.

There are always exceptions (Morant/Luka/Lamelo though his defense is still a work in progress), but for the most part, Guards are going to struggle early on. Particularly as shooters/scorers as the game is still sped up for them.

Suggs/Green are playing next to zero offensive creators. The ball swings to them and their options are to create a shot at the rim off the dribble or to shoot a 3 off the dribble. That's a tough ask early on. We have to be thankful that Suggs is showing as much as he is in the other areas of the game. Green is much more limited everywhere else outside of scoring, so his start has been a bit more concerning IMO.

The guard who has arguably looked the best, at least on a percentage basis, is Giddey, && I don't think it's a coincidence that he's also the one who's playing next to an elite creator in SGA.

It makes the transition a whole lot easier.

Forwards like Barnes/Wagner just have more ideal roles on offense right now that play to their strengths as players. Bouknight/Primo aren't even logging minutes atm, much less being asked to do as much as Suggs/Green/Cade. Duarte is 24.

Giddey also played professionally last season.



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[RookieStar]

Barnes isn't going to be a superstar, the dude shot 27% from 3 and 62% from the free throw line. Yes, he is a good defender, has vision and he can handle the ball but so does Draymond and Pascal. Are they superstars? Can you count on them to take the last shot in game 7 of the playoff?

You don't waste a top 4 pick in a deep draft on a high end role player, you use it on a potential star like Suggs.

we've now had a chance to see them both against NBA competition. Suggs has a lot to work on, especially his handle and getting some consistency in his jump shot., even having an overall impact on the game. He certainly has weaknesses in his game despite professing proudly that he doesn't. I reiterate my original issue with your posts: don't know how any of you can confidently say Masai clearly **** up or wasted a top 4 pick on Barnes. Hopefully y'all changed your tune and appreciate why Masai did what he did.

Late response here, but I do want to apologize to Masai and Bobby for doubting them on draft night. Barnes is the real deal and I am happy that I am eating crow everyday.

I still believe Suggs can become a good player in this league. His D and understanding of the game is good, but he is just having a slow start on offense. Barnes on the other hand, reminds me of a stronger younger Kawhi with Lowry's leadership.

Who are you? And why are you in the Magic board? We don't even know who you are.

Why would we care about Masai? Put this in the Raps board where they do care. I doubt many of us can even recognize him if he walks in front of us.

[RookieStar]

no one else,suggs was #2 on my board,i was ecstatic when we draft him.
and i was deadly wrong,as the majority of scouts and gm.

but drafts are always like this,when we had worst record in the league giannis and gobert went like #15 and #28,nothing you can do about that

Bruh it's been 5-6 games don't give up yet, you trippin. He's clearly shown some legit NBA skills that boarder on elite. His defense and passing in transition is borderline elite already. Yes he'll need to improve consistency and his handle, but so does Jalen Green. But unlike Green Suggs is able to contribute to winning basketball by being a willing passer and fiesty defender.

Suggs isn't the instant offense you/we probably would have liked, but that doesn't mean he can't put it together. He clealy IMO at least plays with a chip on his shoulder(especially on defense). If people think Suggs is playing bad, I wonder what they think of the way Green's been playing.

Spoiler:

I just want to add not all Raptor fans are the same, and apologize on behalf of the loud minority. I was a Suggs fan pre draft and remain one now. Obviously I'm team Barnes, but that doesn't mean I don't want everyone to reach their ceiling. Temp ban those that derail or antagonize IMO

he isnt a real Magic fan, so dont worry about talking him off a ledge. i agree we all need to let these players develop. and some teams (Toronto for example) already have a great player development program in place while teams like Orlando have brand new coaches. We are already seeing some dividends on that with Bamba's play. But our new coach will need some time to find his footing. And declaring anything about any player 6 games into their career just makes you look foolish

Yup, I agree. I mean look at his post count and join date. I dunno if it's a troll account or what. LOL

Well I mean it is to be expected a very few population of the fanbase would over-react but.. really? 6 games in? A

[Blue_and_Whte]

we've now had a chance to see them both against NBA competition. Suggs has a lot to work on, especially his handle and getting some consistency in his jump shot., even having an overall impact on the game. He certainly has weaknesses in his game despite professing proudly that he doesn't. I reiterate my original issue with your posts: don't know how any of you can confidently say Masai clearly **** up or wasted a top 4 pick on Barnes. Hopefully y'all changed your tune and appreciate why Masai did what he did.

Late response here, but I do want to apologize to Masai and Bobby for doubting them on draft night. Barnes is the real deal and I am happy that I am eating crow everyday.

I still believe Suggs can become a good player in this league. His D and understanding of the game is good, but he is just having a slow start on offense. Barnes on the other hand, reminds me of a stronger younger Kawhi with Lowry's leadership.

Who are you? And why are you in the Magic board? We don't even know who you are.

Why would we care about Masai? Put this in the Raps board where they do care. I doubt many of us can even recognize him if he walks in front of us.

I think it’s hilarious that Raps fans are so desperate for Barnes to be better than Suggs that they feel the need to come in here and make sweeping proclamations this early in the season. It’s not like we passed on Barnes….

Remember when Dipo and MCW had triple dubs against each other that one game and everyone was like #thefuture. People need to calm the **** down..

[zaymon]

Biggest knocks on Suggs during predraft were his handling, finishing and 3 point shooting so no suprise here. Maybe he will become next Mr Big Shot in future who knows, he certainly hit big shots already.
I like him becouse you can build a contender with him even if he doesnt become a star. Most of the time its better to give the ball to point forwards regarless. He is big, strong, athletic and can pass. If he is even average shooter he will start on a contender one day, hopefully on us.

[Rainwater]

You typically don't know what you have in a rookie until year 3 so give the guy some time but with that being said he doesn't look like he has the it factor that the magic so badly need.

[RookieStar]

Late response here, but I do want to apologize to Masai and Bobby for doubting them on draft night. Barnes is the real deal and I am happy that I am eating crow everyday.

I still believe Suggs can become a good player in this league. His D and understanding of the game is good, but he is just having a slow start on offense. Barnes on the other hand, reminds me of a stronger younger Kawhi with Lowry's leadership.

Who are you? And why are you in the Magic board? We don't even know who you are.

Why would we care about Masai? Put this in the Raps board where they do care. I doubt many of us can even recognize him if he walks in front of us.

I think it’s hilarious that Raps fans are so desperate for Barnes to be better than Suggs that they feel the need to come in here and make sweeping proclamations this early in the season. It’s not like we passed on Barnes….

Remember when Dipo and MCW had triple dubs against each other that one game and everyone was like #thefuture. People need to calm the **** down..

Yup I know. LOL

Oh don't for get AG's 3rd year where the 1st 10 games he was shooting lights out from 3. #PaulGeorgeWho.

Let's give all these rookies even a month to catch their breathe and see their early rankings.

[RookieStar]

You typically don't know what you have in a rookie until year 3 so give the guy some time but with that being said he doesn't look like he has the it factor that the magic so badly need.

IT's actually the opposite for me. Well.. I guess it differs what "IT" factor you mean. Suggs showed he has the cajones to take the big shot on crunch times as seen in the Raps game for that 4pt play. HE also has the defense as well as the crunch-time blocks at the end of games ( twice if you count summer league ). He has the vision and passing ability you want in a star player ( in case of being swarmed by the D ).

All he needs is more reps , let the game slow down and he is the future for this franchise.

[tooler]

Fans try to convince themselves that guys shooting 60% FT with a broken jump shot will magically develop one. Suggs is shooting 86% from the line and the form on his shot looks fine overall.

He might never be a star, and the first 6 games are certainly annoying. I'm trying to be patient like everyone else.

[SOUL]

I mean we had people calling for Franz's head in summer league and Cole couldn't score as a 2nd year player in SL either. We have no idea what will happen so giving time to young players is the least we can do as fans.

[basketballRob]

Hopefully, Suggs can become like Jamal Murray. I was looking at his game log and he started off 0-16.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3936299/type/nba/year/2017

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[basketballRob]

Suggs may get the start Sunday at PG.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/ORL/orlando-magic/injuries/

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[Xatticus]

He has to rein in his shot selection a bit. He has to stop taking off-balance jump shots. He has to get better at making second-level decisions. I'm happy with his play thus far though. All of that stuff will come along.

I'd really like to see him involved in the PnR a lot more. He has good vision and he can find angles to get passes in. All of this DHO stuff is fine, but we need to improve our PnR game. It's been around forever and it's as prevalent as it has ever been because it works.

[pepe1991]

He has to rein in his shot selection a bit. He has to stop taking off-balance jump shots. He has to get better at making second-level decisions. I'm happy with his play thus far though. All of that stuff will come along.

I'd really like to see him involved in the PnR a lot more. He has good vision and he can find angles to get passes in. All of this DHO stuff is fine, but we need to improve our PnR game. It's been around forever and it's as prevalent as it has ever been because it works.

Him and RJ Hampton involved in pick& roll has been brutally bad. (3rd worst in nba, 1,5 percentile)
Hampton shoots 1-12 from pick&rolls situations as ballhandler.
Suggs 8-41. (11th worst in nba, 9,5 percentile)

Suggs struggles to create angles when he attacks the paint, from what i figured, most of his shots are out of balance and him overreacting in fear of block and just tossing brick in the air.

Part of his is having bigs who are very onedimensional and who always, by default, do same thing and defense can easy anticipate outcom of their screens, and Suggs ( or Hampton ) don' t help themselfs with poor shooting and even worst driving.

I can't find data to back it up, but Wendell slips out of half of screens. Before contact is made, he is already rolling. Sometimes simply too soon.
Mo Bamba can't roll to save his life off pick&roll. He shoots 3-15 off rolling ( 0 percentile, dead last) with 11% turnover rate.

In general i think Suggs will be fine but tbh i didn't expect him to be this raw on offensive side.

[Skybox]

He has to rein in his shot selection a bit. He has to stop taking off-balance jump shots. He has to get better at making second-level decisions. I'm happy with his play thus far though. All of that stuff will come along.

I'd really like to see him involved in the PnR a lot more. He has good vision and he can find angles to get passes in. All of this DHO stuff is fine, but we need to improve our PnR game. It's been around forever and it's as prevalent as it has ever been because it works.

Him and RJ Hampton involved in pick& roll has been brutally bad. (3rd worst in nba, 1,5 percentile)
Hampton shoots 1-12 from pick&rolls situations as ballhandler.
Suggs 8-41. (11th worst in nba, 9,5 percentile)

Suggs struggles to create angles when he attacks the paint, from what i figured, most of his shots are out of balance and him overreacting in fear of block and just tossing brick in the air.

Part of his is having bigs who are very onedimensional and who always, by default, do same thing and defense can easy anticipate outcom of their screens, and Suggs ( or Hampton ) don' t help themselfs with poor shooting and even worst driving.

I can't find data to back it up, but Wendell slips out of half of screens. Before contact is made, he is already rolling. Sometimes simply too soon.
Mo Bamba can't roll to save his life off pick&roll. He shoots 3-15 off rolling ( 0 percentile, dead last) with 11% turnover rate.

In general i think Suggs will be fine but tbh i didn't expect him to be this raw on offensive side.

I’ve never understood why bigs (even at a HS level) can’t learn to hold a pick in one day’s practice…it just doesn’t seem very complex. A pick is basically an obstacle…if you don’t make contact before you run away, you didn’t set a pick. What am I missing? Vuc, who was basically a walking fundamentals camp did it too. Such an important and simple thing to insist on…it seems

[basketballRob]

Suggs has the best defensive rating among rookies.

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[Optimus_Steel]

He has to rein in his shot selection a bit. He has to stop taking off-balance jump shots. He has to get better at making second-level decisions. I'm happy with his play thus far though. All of that stuff will come along.

I'd really like to see him involved in the PnR a lot more. He has good vision and he can find angles to get passes in. All of this DHO stuff is fine, but we need to improve our PnR game. It's been around forever and it's as prevalent as it has ever been because it works.

Him and RJ Hampton involved in pick& roll has been brutally bad. (3rd worst in nba, 1,5 percentile)
Hampton shoots 1-12 from pick&rolls situations as ballhandler.
Suggs 8-41. (11th worst in nba, 9,5 percentile)

Suggs struggles to create angles when he attacks the paint, from what i figured, most of his shots are out of balance and him overreacting in fear of block and just tossing brick in the air.

Part of his is having bigs who are very onedimensional and who always, by default, do same thing and defense can easy anticipate outcom of their screens, and Suggs ( or Hampton ) don' t help themselfs with poor shooting and even worst driving.

I can't find data to back it up, but Wendell slips out of half of screens. Before contact is made, he is already rolling. Sometimes simply too soon.
Mo Bamba can't roll to save his life off pick&roll. He shoots 3-15 off rolling ( 0 percentile, dead last) with 11% turnover rate.

In general i think Suggs will be fine but tbh i didn't expect him to be this raw on offensive side.

I’ve never understood why bigs (even at a HS level) can’t learn to hold a pick in one day’s practice…it just doesn’t seem very complex. A pick is basically an obstacle…if you don’t make contact before you run away, you didn’t set a pick. What am I missing? Vuc, who was basically a walking fundamentals camp did it too. Such an important and simple thing to insist on…it seems

This is my guess, the big guys see it as beneath them (because it's like dirty work) to do that since they've been dominating opponents in high school and college and once they get to the pros that attitude still persists.

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[pepe1991]

Him and RJ Hampton involved in pick& roll has been brutally bad. (3rd worst in nba, 1,5 percentile)
Hampton shoots 1-12 from pick&rolls situations as ballhandler.
Suggs 8-41. (11th worst in nba, 9,5 percentile)

Suggs struggles to create angles when he attacks the paint, from what i figured, most of his shots are out of balance and him overreacting in fear of block and just tossing brick in the air.

Part of his is having bigs who are very onedimensional and who always, by default, do same thing and defense can easy anticipate outcom of their screens, and Suggs ( or Hampton ) don' t help themselfs with poor shooting and even worst driving.

I can't find data to back it up, but Wendell slips out of half of screens. Before contact is made, he is already rolling. Sometimes simply too soon.
Mo Bamba can't roll to save his life off pick&roll. He shoots 3-15 off rolling ( 0 percentile, dead last) with 11% turnover rate.

In general i think Suggs will be fine but tbh i didn't expect him to be this raw on offensive side.

I’ve never understood why bigs (even at a HS level) can’t learn to hold a pick in one day’s practice…it just doesn’t seem very complex. A pick is basically an obstacle…if you don’t make contact before you run away, you didn’t set a pick. What am I missing? Vuc, who was basically a walking fundamentals camp did it too. Such an important and simple thing to insist on…it seems

This is my guess, the big guys see it as beneath them (because it's like dirty work) to do that since they've been dominating opponents in high school and college and once they get to the pros that attitude still persists.

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If they feel that's beneath them than they are playing wrong sport.
It really isn't rocket science, you need to choose side of ballhandler's hand to screen ( always easier to hanlder to attack on stronger hand ), take contact and roll out or roll in or relocate.

Screening is simply way to important in today's league to ignore. You see how Gobert and Adams screen their opponents and it's not hard to understand why guards with them thrive.
Since we play Gobert tonight, just pay attention how impacful his screening is and how much space it creates.