Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected

[Maxthirty]

This Synciere poster is acting like the Morris bros are John Wick.

There are people who fight, people who can fight, and people who are trained to fight.

Again, I don't know about the Jokic brothers, but I do know the Morris twins have trained. That's all I'm saying.

There's a difference. A HUGE difference. And if you'd like to find out we can do that too.

[levon]

is it fair to say what Morris did was a threat to Jokic's basketball ability (knee) but what Jokic did was a threat to Morris general ability?

[pilkoids]

Based on what? Because to me fake tough implies they won't fight. And we all know that aint them. Them boys have put hands and feet on a few. So what's fake about them?

Edit: I think you guys just like to say things for Likes and And 1s without any real factual basis. Again, if you don't like them, just say that, but the reactions here are crazy lol..

I dont give a **** about And1's - the eye test (and pretty much every other sane poster on here) think the Morris twins are trash fake tough guys.

You don't care about Likes and then you invoke what everyone else thinks. Gotcha.

Stop acting like a child. I can have independent thoughts that others also have - are you old enough to understand this concept?

[bebopdeluxe]

HEY MORRIS FANBOYS, WATCH JOKIC'S NECK

In what f'k'n world is there ANY justification for THAT?

(answer - in the world of the Morris fanboys)

That's not even talking about the dangerous knee to knee with all of Jokic's weight on his right (recently injured) leg.

The back of his head literally goes back until it hits his back and y'all over here crying about Morris

Before talking anymore, go to 1:01 to 1:06 of this video and watch Jokic's knee, ribs, and then his neck snap back

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Stop.

What Morris did was wrong. Flagrant 2 and ejection.

What Jokic did was DANGEROUS.

If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

They were both dangerous.

The foul by Morris is not unlike fouls that are regularly seen in NBA games - players hitting other players while not making a play on the ball. Hell - last season, LeBron hit Embiid while he was in the air, causing Embiid to fall hard on his back (something that lingered for the rest of the season), and LeBron only got a Flagrant 1. Players take hard, flagrant hits.

What Jokic did was AFTER the whistle. With Morris' back turned.

There is simply no comparison between the two situations.

If you don't see that, that is on you.

[Mikistan]

Stop.

What Morris did was wrong. Flagrant 2 and ejection.

What Jokic did was DANGEROUS.

If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

They were both dangerous.

The foul by Morris is not unlike fouls that are regularly seen in NBA games - players hitting other players while not making a play on the ball. Hell - last season, LeBron hit Embiid while he was in the air, causing Embiid to fall hard on his back (something that lingered for the rest of the season), and LeBron only got a Flagrant 1. Players take hard, flagrant hits.

What Jokic did was AFTER the whistle. With Morris' back turned.

There is simply no comparison between the two situations.

If you don't see that, that is on you.

So you mean dangerous like this?

OG back turned - check
Morris hitting after whistle - check

What just because OG didnt flop to the ground like Morris did then its no problem right?

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[Duffman100]

is it fair to say what Morris did was a threat to Jokic's basketball ability (knee) but what Jokic did was a threat to Morris general ability?

Coming from someone who suffered a pretty brutal knee injury in basketball, my general ability was pretty negatively affected. But yeah, compared to a back or neck injury.. it's different.

[Mikistan]

Stop.

What Morris did was wrong. Flagrant 2 and ejection.

What Jokic did was DANGEROUS.

If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

They were both dangerous.

The foul by Morris is not unlike fouls that are regularly seen in NBA games - players hitting other players while not making a play on the ball. Hell - last season, LeBron hit Embiid while he was in the air, causing Embiid to fall hard on his back (something that lingered for the rest of the season), and LeBron only got a Flagrant 1. Players take hard, flagrant hits.

What Jokic did was AFTER the whistle. With Morris' back turned.

There is simply no comparison between the two situations.

If you don't see that, that is on you.

As to the bolded ... im not sure what your argument is? NBA reffing is inconsistent and bad, so therefore everyone should be ok with non-basketball contact because it just how it is? If everyone jumped off a bridge you would too, i presume?

[Synciere]

Yes, it's a holistic situation. And you have to view it as such because NBA players know and are aware.

So you're fine insinuating it's a race issue but you don't actually want to discuss if it's a race issue? Just throw out it's a race thing and walk away?

Yeah man. We don't have to have the race conversation EVERY time it's relevant. Honestly, most on the board aren't capable of having it, and we just had it recently with the Sarver thing and it gets tiring. But yeah, race has a lot to do with this. Sometimes it's subconscious, sometimes it's not, but these conversations always go different based on who the culprit is.

I have no doubt that there are clear instances of altercations with 'that guy is a thug' comments based on race. Not going to deny that at all.

There are also instances where race really isn't a factor and instead an individual's history is the factor that plays into it. The Morris brothers are largely disliked, not because they are black, but because they have been dicks in the league for quite some time.

I'd say the large majority of people here are probably not supporting Jokic because he is white, but because Morris is a dick.

I could be way off base about that... but I have feeling in this instance I'm right.

I used to give posters that benefit of the doubt too, but I've been on this board for a long time man. I don't post often and have long spells when I don't even read because, you know, life is happening offline, but the thing about these situations is that most people ALWAYS point to something else as a reason. I've seen posters literally flip a switch in different threads on the same day, as in resorting to racist rhetoric describing Stephen A, calling him monkeys and anything short of a child of God, and then chastising posters for remarks made about Ramona Shelbourne in the next hour. A lot of people don't realize they're being racist or using coded language. A lot do. Either way, this situation isn't all that different. Meh.. can't fight it everyday.

[Cubbies2120]

Stop.

What Morris did was wrong. Flagrant 2 and ejection.

What Jokic did was DANGEROUS.

If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Both had their heads snapped back - did you watch the video or just comment based on what you remember from last night when it happened?

Jokic's head was snapped back til it couldn't go back any further.

Morris's head was snapped back til it couldn't go back any further.



Now, in addition to this, Jokic's recently injured knee was targetted, as well as his ribs while he's going airborne.

If you can't tell which is worse, IDK what to tell you.

[Duffman100]

This Synciere poster is acting like the Morris bros are John Wick.

There are people who fight, people who can fight, and people who are trained to fight.

Again, I don't know about the Jokic brothers, but I do know the Morris twins have trained. That's all I'm saying.

There's a difference. A HUGE difference. And if you'd like to find out we can do that too.

So now we're talking about fighting each other in real life based on comments made on a realgm board about two millionaires having an interaction on the basketball court?

[Sedale Threatt]

He turned away to de escalate the situation if anything. .

Turning your back to deescalate a situation right after you just committed a cheap shot is pretty pitiful. If anything that makes it much worse.

Plus it's imputing motives to make the point. Chuck's point about the apparent bloodlust here stands without it, even as I see it less of people condoning Jokic's actual act in itself (he felt bad afterwards; did Morris?) so much as catharsis in Morris getting his comeuppance.

If I was a Nuggets fan, I’d actually be a little aggravated. Not because he wasn’t justified to defend himself, but because he’s gone miss multiple games and you need all the W’s you can get.

As a non-affiliated observer, it was insanely satisfying. I mean, I had this dude on my team for 70 games or so. I saw all the chickensh*t stuff he does up close. Not even stuff you could respect. Cheap fouls, loose elbows, etc etc.

He’s not in the same ballpark, but back in the day I used to despise Bill Laimbeer too. (As opposed to, say, Ben Wallace who was generally tough but fair.) I just can’t stand that type of basketball going back many, many years now.

[CobraCommander]

A lot of Jokic fanboys who think he can do no wrong. Were some of you also saying he did nothing wrong to Payne last year?

Fanboys for the reigning mvp… who would be a fan of the MVP? I mean it’s not like he is the most valuable player - lol

Jokic didn’t try to break his neck- jokic got pissed because he got body checked and body checked Morris.

I guess I’m a fan boy cause I like good basketball and I don’t want to see the best get hurt on some bs done by a journeyman rotation guy

[Duffman100]

Yeah man. We don't have to have the race conversation EVERY time it's relevant. Honestly, most on the board aren't capable of having it, and we just had it recently with the Sarver thing and it gets tiring. But yeah, race has a lot to do with this. Sometimes it's subconscious, sometimes it's not, but these conversations always go different based on who the culprit is.

I have no doubt that there are clear instances of altercations with 'that guy is a thug' comments based on race. Not going to deny that at all.

There are also instances where race really isn't a factor and instead an individual's history is the factor that plays into it. The Morris brothers are largely disliked, not because they are black, but because they have been dicks in the league for quite some time.

I'd say the large majority of people here are probably not supporting Jokic because he is white, but because Morris is a dick.

I could be way off base about that... but I have feeling in this instance I'm right.

I used to give posters that benefit of the doubt too, but I've been on this board for a long time man. I don't post often and have long spells when I don't even read because, you know, life is happening offline, but the thing about these situations is that most people ALWAYS point to something else as a reason. I've seen posters literally flip a switch in different threads on the same day, as in resorting to racist rhetoric describing Stephen A, calling him monkeys and anything short of a child of God, and then chastising posters for remarks made about Ramona Shelbourne in the next hour. A lot of people don't realize they're being racist or using coded language. A lot do. Either way, this situation isn't all that different. Meh.. can't fight it everyday.

I get it, as much as I can get it, I do. And if you know me, you know I'm always fighting the fight on this board. Calling out racism, homophobia, misogyny.

[FinnTheHuman]

I think people are more likely to like and support those who look like them. The league has been waiting for a Luka for a long time as a marketing thing. I say that not to say it in a negative way though. It's like when Tiger Woods got popular and Black people started watching and supporting him. There's no secret it was because he was Black in a white sport, ya know? There was no animosity there though. It's golf.

It's different when you have sports like football and basketball and they get chippy though. The rhetoric here in this thread is that people actually ENJOYED watching Jokic do this. Hella dangerous. Then they see the Jokic brothers and they're thinking, 'Finally, we have somebody who's going to handle one of the Morris twins!' They want to see them hurt. They want retaliation for perceived history of the Morris twins.

Like I said earlier, I think if you think like that, you must be pussy. Serbia isn't rainbows and unicorns, but neither is Philly for a Black man. And them Morris boys have trained, so be careful what you ask for.

Sounds like you really want this to be true.

It’s definitely not a goon getting his comeuppance. It’s definitely racism.

btw- how many guys do you know that “look like Jokic”?

Sounds like I want what to be true?

Like I said, if you can call Morris a goon, then you have to call Jokic one after that reaction.

I live in New York and my ex used to live in Astoria so I know a few Serbs, not a lot though.

Serbia is not one-dimensional. F. e. I'm a Serb from Belgrade, never got into a real fight in my life. But Serbia has its fair share of savagery and aggressive people. People can only guess whether the Jokic brothers have a lot of experience in physical altercations or not. Same goes for Morris twins.

Anyways, you're missing the point: both Morris brothers are savages, it takes a lot less for them to try to physically hurt someone, and they keep getting away with it. This is documented, especially for Marcus. Jokic's had a couple of those situations in the league, and it took much more for him to do it. When Marcus tried to injure Doncic back then, people hated it not because Doncic is white, but because Doncic is a superstar who plays exciting basketball and he kept destroying the Clippers single-handedly, and isn't dirty, while Marcus is a mediocre starter who seems like he is ready to do evil stuff in order to win. People don't want to watch jealous mediocrities trying to injure superstars, it's that simple. People hate Zaza for what he did to Kawhi as much as they hate the Morris twins, but that doesn't fit your racial narrative that you're spewing everywhere on this board.

[BostonCouchGM]

Good for Jokic. Morris is as dirty as they get and had it coming

[Synciere]

I dont give a **** about And1's - the eye test (and pretty much every other sane poster on here) think the Morris twins are trash fake tough guys.

You don't care about Likes and then you invoke what everyone else thinks. Gotcha.

Stop acting like a child. I can have independent thoughts that others also have - are you old enough to understand this concept?

It's not childish to point out the inconsistency in your stand. I'm not critiquing your ability to think. I'm simply stating that the 'Everybody says so' retort you just made contradicts your point. Again, I think you and others are saying things but not thinking them through. I don't know if it was you but I asked earlier, what makes a guy a fake tough guy? Because to me if you're ready and willing to fight, you can't be called that. Why are they trash? Why such forceful language lol...

[G R E Y]

Yup i love Jokic but that's a dirty play. And jokic has a history of losing his cool. Even Jokic admitted it was stupid

Was Beverley's foul where he tore up Westbrook's knee just a hard foul too?

Should I be able to punch a player and then just turn my back, knowing retaliation is coming, and get away with no consequences?

1. Knee'd Jokic's knee sideways, while he had all 280 lbs planted on that leg
2. Elbowed him in the ribs as he was going to take off into the air

It's like people only saw the shove, not the lead up to it. Watch it in slow motion, it's a setting on youtube.

Youre missing the point. The foul was while the game was IN PLAY.

The blast from behind was not.

One is part of the game one isn't.

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Just because something happened in play doesn't make it part of the game. Morris' was not a basketball play yet again. He just got caught with a retaliatory non-basketball play this time.

Is there an instigator rule in basketball? If not perhaps it's one NBA can implement. May help curb these incidents.

[Wolfgang630]

Race shouldn’t be brought up. It could’ve been Kevin Durant, Lebron, Embiid doing this to Morris and I would’ve had the same reaction.

[JShuttlesworth]

This Synciere poster is acting like the Morris bros are John Wick.

There are people who fight, people who can fight, and people who are trained to fight.

Again, I don't know about the Jokic brothers, but I do know the Morris twins have trained. That's all I'm saying.

There's a difference. A HUGE difference. And if you'd like to find out we can do that too.

So now we're talking about fighting each other in real life based on comments made on a realgm board about two millionaires having an interaction on the basketball court?

Better be careful, he is highly trained at keyboard fighting

[FinnTheHuman]

Race shouldn’t be brought up. It could’ve been Kevin Durant, Lebron, Embiid doing this to Morris and I would’ve had the same reaction.

I mean, we don't have to imagine. We had Zaza injuring Kawhi, literally the reverse situation, white on black, and everybody was saying Zaza was a goon or w/e. People hate a-holes, it's that simple.