Game 12: Timberwolves at Clippers, 10:30 pm EST

[Domejandro]

There is no way, at this point, that Josh should be getting burn over Leo.
Leo can defend as well as Josh, pass better, and shoot better.

Or Prince, Josh’s career in NBA may not last much longer. Finch’s subs are horrible.

Bolmaro would get absolutely steamrolled physically, he has looked really lost, in his short stints out there. I like him and think he has a place longterm, but that is not at all an immediate answer.

[shangrila]

Glad Towns and Edwards are back in, though they need to sub Okogie out for Beasley.

Let our "core" steep in the embarrassing cesspool that is this game.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

What a classic bounce back after last night.


Can’t wait for another 5 game losing streak

[_AIJ_]

No idea why bolmaro is not playing over okogie and prince. Beasley should be traded already

[m2002brian]

Can we please get back on the “Trade Towns” train?

:chant: Get Towns out of Town
DLo blows he must go :chant:

[Mamba4Goat]

Can we please get back on the “Trade Towns” train?

:chant: Get Towns out of Town
DLo blows he must go :chant:

I’d rather trade for a center or ditch Finch before trading KAT.

[Neeva]

I don’t think Finch will last all season.

[shangrila]

Can we please get back on the “Trade Towns” train?

:chant: Get Towns out of Town
DLo blows he must go :chant:

I’d rather trade for a center or ditch Finch before trading KAT.

Trade for a C, fine.

I refuse to blame Finch for this stuff though. He's had too much success elsewhere to just fall apart here like this.

If Towns can get a pass for crap teammates then Finch deserves one for a crap roster. And, frankly, a couple of stars that play like scrubs.

[life_saver]

Imo Ant also should stop forcing jumpers and should pass more..he isn't a Curry level shooter to jack up so many shots

[Dewey]

Can we please get back on the “Trade Towns” train?

:chant: Get Towns out of Town
DLo blows he must go :chant:

I’d rather trade for a center or ditch Finch before trading KAT.

Trade for a C, fine.

I refuse to blame Finch for this stuff though. He's had too much success elsewhere to just fall apart here like this.

If Towns can get a pass for crap teammates then Finch deserves one for a crap roster. And, frankly, a couple of stars that play like scrubs.

Ya we can’t just keep replacing coaches … at some point you concede the roster is weak and make changes.

Shooting-wise we just are not getting it done… the ole red-light green-light is an option, but this is the NBA, and ya have to think the coach/players can figure it out.

[Muskies97]

It's so painfully obvious that the Wolves are getting killed by not having a good power forward. Having Vanderbilt in makes it so that Towns can basically be neutralized offensively AND Ant to have trouble getting clean attacks since the big guarding Vando/Okogie basically camps in the paint, and McDaniels and Prince are such dreadful rebounders that it hurts the Wolves defense significantly by getting dominated on the glass. Rosas really **** the bed not being more thirsty for a 2 way forward like Nance or Collins.

[Foye]

It's so painfully obvious that the Wolves are getting killed by not having a good power forward. Having Vanderbilt in makes it so that Towns can basically be neutralized offensively AND Ant to have trouble getting clean attacks since the big guarding Vando/Okogie basically camps in the paint, and McDaniels and Prince are such dreadful rebounders that it hurts the Wolves defense significantly by getting dominated on the glass. Rosas really **** the bed not being more thirsty for a 2 way forward like Nance or Collins.

As if a scrub like Nance would make any difference.

Collins doesnt fit the salary cap.

[Neeva]

It's so painfully obvious that the Wolves are getting killed by not having a good power forward. Having Vanderbilt in makes it so that Towns can basically be neutralized offensively AND Ant to have trouble getting clean attacks since the big guarding Vando/Okogie basically camps in the paint, and McDaniels and Prince are such dreadful rebounders that it hurts the Wolves defense significantly by getting dominated on the glass. Rosas really **** the bed not being more thirsty for a 2 way forward like Nance or Collins.

Rosas **** when he didn’t do all he could to tank for Mobley and when he traded a top 3 protected pick for Dlo. Should have been top 7 protected lol not like warriors would have turned that down, they didn’t want/need Dlo. Rosas was an impatient idiot.

[Foye]

It's so painfully obvious that the Wolves are getting killed by not having a good power forward. Having Vanderbilt in makes it so that Towns can basically be neutralized offensively AND Ant to have trouble getting clean attacks since the big guarding Vando/Okogie basically camps in the paint, and McDaniels and Prince are such dreadful rebounders that it hurts the Wolves defense significantly by getting dominated on the glass. Rosas really **** the bed not being more thirsty for a 2 way forward like Nance or Collins.

Rosas **** when he didn’t do all he could to tank for Mobley and when he traded a top 3 protected pick for Dlo. Should have been top 7 protected lol not like warriors would have turned that down, they didn’t want/need Dlo. Rosas was an impatient idiot.

Meanwhile Wiggins is having a pretty decent season and just entering his prime. Wolves will go down as the clear loser of this trade. Predictably so.

[winforlose]

It's so painfully obvious that the Wolves are getting killed by not having a good power forward. Having Vanderbilt in makes it so that Towns can basically be neutralized offensively AND Ant to have trouble getting clean attacks since the big guarding Vando/Okogie basically camps in the paint, and McDaniels and Prince are such dreadful rebounders that it hurts the Wolves defense significantly by getting dominated on the glass. Rosas really **** the bed not being more thirsty for a 2 way forward like Nance or Collins.

Rosas **** when he didn’t do all he could to tank for Mobley and when he traded a top 3 protected pick for Dlo. Should have been top 7 protected lol not like warriors would have turned that down, they didn’t want/need Dlo. Rosas was an impatient idiot.

Dude, there is so much fuzzy math here I don’t know where to begin. First, you are assuming that GSW would deal for less when they had been demanding more right up till the deadline. Rosas offered them the pick that turned into Edwards and they refused. They wanted our 2021 pick unprotected because they thought the players in that draft would be foundational.

Also worth noting KAT was irate at the Roco trade and was not happy here in general. He was very likely to demand out and bringing in Dlo secured KAT’s future with the Wolves. Now you can say Dlo isn’t worth it and we can have that debate, but can you imagine where we would be if KAT left?

As for the tank, at best you had a 40% of getting Mobley. The Wolves have moved up 1 time in franchise history and that was the Edwards pick. Other teams tanked hard and there was no guarantee we would have ended up with Mobley. Moreover, the idea was to build trust in Finch and change the mentality using the last part of last season. We did see improvement in almost every player as well as the emergence of Ant. We also went from a bottom defense to a top end defense this year in no small part because the players bought into Finch’s system.

I agree Vando is a liability as is JO. Part of that is Finch not adapting to defensive schemes and using more off ball movement and structured offense. That said, there are other answers beside Mobley.

Ultimately, you are playing crystal ball with most of your arguments and even worse you are faulting Rosas for trying to compete instead of trying to further rebuild. KAT will only stay if we succeed and this season is far from lost. We want to win, we need to do the things necessary to put us in a position to win. Stop looking backward and start looking forward.

[Neeva]

So you think Rosas got overpaid dlo to keep Kat happy because others here don’t think so lol

[shrink]

It's so painfully obvious that the Wolves are getting killed by not having a good power forward. Having Vanderbilt in makes it so that Towns can basically be neutralized offensively AND Ant to have trouble getting clean attacks since the big guarding Vando/Okogie basically camps in the paint, and McDaniels and Prince are such dreadful rebounders that it hurts the Wolves defense significantly by getting dominated on the glass. Rosas really **** the bed not being more thirsty for a 2 way forward like Nance or Collins.

As if a scrub like Nance would make any difference.

I’d prefer someone bigger, but I think Nance would have a pretty big impact.

What LAC (and ORL) realized is that you could put your PF on Towns, and your center on .. nobody. Just have him prowl around under the basket to help out, because Vanderbilt, McDaniels and Okogie were not much of an offensive threat. This meant that KAT was either double-teamed up top, or even if it was 1-on-1, they could have a big underneath, ready to meet him (or Ant) at the rim.

I don’t think Nance is a star. He’s a scrapper who does well defensively, but he’s not great offensively. However, he is a credible threat to hit a three pointer if he’s left wide open. A guy like Nance on the team would make defenses play us honestly, which they don’t do against Vando, Jaden or Josh.

[Foye]

It's so painfully obvious that the Wolves are getting killed by not having a good power forward. Having Vanderbilt in makes it so that Towns can basically be neutralized offensively AND Ant to have trouble getting clean attacks since the big guarding Vando/Okogie basically camps in the paint, and McDaniels and Prince are such dreadful rebounders that it hurts the Wolves defense significantly by getting dominated on the glass. Rosas really **** the bed not being more thirsty for a 2 way forward like Nance or Collins.

As if a scrub like Nance would make any difference.

I’d prefer someone bigger, but I think Nance would have a pretty big impact.

What LAC (and ORL) realized is that you could put your PF on Towns, and your center on .. nobody. Just have him prowl around under the basket to help out, because Vanderbilt, McDaniels and Okogie were not much of an offensive threat. This meant that KAT was either double-teamed up top, or even if it was 1-on-1, they could have a big underneath, ready to meet him (or Ant) at the rim.

I don’t think Nance is a star. He’s a scrapper who does well defensively, but he’s not great offensively. However, he is a credible threat to hit a three pointer if he’s left wide open. A guy like Nance on the team would make defenses play us honestly, which they don’t do against Vando, Jaden or Josh.

People were saying the same about Prince that he would be an improvement as a 3+D player.
Look at him now. He can't even get on the court for 10 minutes a night.

Reality is those bench scrubs from other teams generally do not help you to improve if your system is utter crap and nobody is creating shots for them.

And Nance is exactly that. A scrub who is bouncing around the league because he does have some skills but will never be an important part (among the starters) of a winning team unless he is riding the wave of an all-time great like LeBron. Ok to have as a 10, 11, 12th player on your roster but you don't want him playing significant minutes at all because he is a below average player.

You would probably even get better return for your money if you reactivated Michael Beasley out of retirement/whereever he is currently at than Larry Nance. At least he can create some shots for himself unlike Nance (a skill that is needed when playing for a team without any sort of identity and team chemistry). And before anyone quotes me to it: obviously not a direction you want to go.