Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF?

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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#41 » by SmokeyPaw » Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:34 pm

toooskies wrote:Kevin Love for D-Lo as a framework. Love can still rebound and parting with D-Lo may be addition by subtraction. In the meantime the Cavs need a get-a-bucket guy with Sexton out.


I'm not a DLO fan but the wolves arent taking on Love.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#42 » by SmokeyPaw » Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:36 pm

Monky15 wrote:Oubre, Carey jr for Prince, Reid

Hornets get a different look at C with Reid while letting Washington get more time at pf. Prince is filler.
Wolves get a combo forward in the Jae Crowder mould and a young big (negotiable which one) to balance the rosters. If they feel they need a better backup C I'm sure WCS from the Mavs could be had for little.


Actually Oubre is like the anti-Crowder. Wolves wouldnt be interested at all.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#43 » by Klomp » Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:26 pm

I could see a Clarke or Washington as a sort of value add of buried young talent, much in the way our trade with Denver was two seasons ago to pick up Beasley and Vanderbilt.

Mike Muscala might be interesting.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#44 » by SmokeyPaw » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:32 am

I do appreciate this thread. I'd rather go with this approach than completely mortgage the future for Simmons. Kleber, PJ, Clarke, Andersen, Theis, Ukeke would all likely start for us.
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Post#45 » by vxmike » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:51 am

Don’t forget the Bulls have the exact same need at PF. There will likely be more than one suitor if any solid candidates become available.
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Post#46 » by pad300 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:46 am

Domejandro wrote:I would rather someone trade us their backup center, in all honesty. Minnesota's biggest weakness is rebounding.


If you want a center, I'd talk to SAS. They have 4 backup C's on their roster right now (Thad Young, Eubanks, Z Collins, Lansdale). They will, however, be looking for value back.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#47 » by penbeast0 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:56 am

The problem isn't the available bigs, there are lots. Heck, Washington has several as other posters have suggested. The problem is are the Wolves willing to give up?

Personally I'd be happy to move Kuzma who has been a good rebounder and surprising starter on the Wiz for the expiring contract of Pat Beverly when either Bryant or Hachimura returns. Many Washington fans love him but I want to see Harrell playing some 4 as well as 5.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#48 » by moss_is_1 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:35 am

penbeast0 wrote:The problem isn't the available bigs, there are lots. Heck, Washington has several as other posters have suggested. The problem is are the Wolves willing to give up?

Personally I'd be happy to move Kuzma who has been a good rebounder and surprising starter on the Wiz for the expiring contract of Pat Beverly when either Bryant or Hachimura returns. Many Washington fans love him but I want to see Harrell playing some 4 as well as 5.

Don't see the Wolves wanting to move Bev. He's been great for the culture and locker room. Also would create another hole.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#49 » by wolves_89 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:40 am

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penbeast0 wrote:The problem isn't the available bigs, there are lots. Heck, Washington has several as other posters have suggested. The problem is are the Wolves willing to give up?

Personally I'd be happy to move Kuzma who has been a good rebounder and surprising starter on the Wiz for the expiring contract of Pat Beverly when either Bryant or Hachimura returns. Many Washington fans love him but I want to see Harrell playing some 4 as well as 5.

Don't see the Wolves wanting to move Bev. He's been great for the culture and locker room. Also would create another hole.


I'd agree, Beverley is unlikely to be moved unless he's part of a package for a significantly better player than those being discussed in this thread.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#50 » by shrink » Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:53 am

penbeast0 wrote:The problem isn't the available bigs, there are lots. Heck, Washington has several as other posters have suggested. The problem is are the Wolves willing to give up?

I geared this thread towards back up, rotation players, because I think that is a small tweak that MIN could realistically make this early in the season. Most back up players wouldn’t warrant 1sts, but might make sense in a trade for another back up/ rotation piece that is a better fit, and maybe a 2nd. MIN’s pieces that would likely be available would be Layman, Nowell, McLaughlin, Okogie, Prince, Vanderbilt, Bolmaro, Beasley and Naz Reid, and that order is roughly my opinion of MIN’s attachment, though not their value.

I think someone like Kuzma warrants a late 1st at this point, and MIN should be too nervous about their future to be sending out 1sts. His scoring is also overkill that the Wolves probably wouldn’t yet want to give up additional trade value or FGA’s.

I think there have been many great names on the list here, and hopefully they help our great trademakers when they need a third team in a deal.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#51 » by Klomp » Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:53 pm

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penbeast0 wrote:The problem isn't the available bigs, there are lots. Heck, Washington has several as other posters have suggested. The problem is are the Wolves willing to give up?

I geared this thread towards back up, rotation players, because I think that is a small tweak that MIN could realistically make this early in the season. Most back up players wouldn’t warrant 1sts, but might make sense in a trade for another back up/ rotation piece that is a better fit, and maybe a 2nd. MIN’s pieces that would likely be available would be Layman, Nowell, McLaughlin, Okogie, Prince, Vanderbilt, Bolmaro, Beasley and Naz Reid, and that order is roughly my opinion of MIN’s attachment, though not their value.

As jscott said earlier in this thread, trading a Vanderbilt or Reid wouldn't really solve the problem unless it was a significant talent upgrade.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#52 » by shrink » Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:10 pm

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penbeast0 wrote:The problem isn't the available bigs, there are lots. Heck, Washington has several as other posters have suggested. The problem is are the Wolves willing to give up?

I geared this thread towards back up, rotation players, because I think that is a small tweak that MIN could realistically make this early in the season. Most back up players wouldn’t warrant 1sts, but might make sense in a trade for another back up/ rotation piece that is a better fit, and maybe a 2nd. MIN’s pieces that would likely be available would be Layman, Nowell, McLaughlin, Okogie, Prince, Vanderbilt, Bolmaro, Beasley and Naz Reid, and that order is roughly my opinion of MIN’s attachment, though not their value.

As jscott said earlier in this thread, trading a Vanderbilt or Reid wouldn't really solve the problem unless it was a significant talent upgrade.

You’re right, and that’s why I put them near the end. Naz is the Wolves only back up center, and Vando right now starts many games. However, they wouldn’t be off the table for an upgrade, and it’s possible that a few other teams have back up bigs that would be better fits next to Towns.

You’l note that I don’t have Beverley listed at all. I think he is so instrumental to the Wolves defensive character this year, that they wouldn’t trade him for another team’s back up big.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#53 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:28 pm

Jta from the dubbs would like great next to kat. High iq ball mover and defender. Dray lite if given enough minutes.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#54 » by Klomp » Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:50 pm

Malik Beasley for Lauri Markkanen

With Sexton out for the year, the Cavs need more perimeter scoring punch. Playing Markkanen at SF isn't the answer, and I believe is the reason for his shooting struggles. Markkanen wouldn't necessarily be a great rebounding help for the Wolves, but at 7-foot he can't hurt.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#55 » by wolves_89 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:37 am

Another guy to consider would be Marvin Bagley. I've never liked him all that much, but he still has some potential upside. In addition, he has good size to play PF and his high end athletic ability could be a good fit with the switching chaos type of defense that seems to be working for the Wolves.

For all his shortcomings, Bagley is still a fairly good defensive rebounder which is something the Wolves desperately need. On offense the opposing team can't ignore him like they do to Vanderbilt and Okogie which is a plus. A side benefit of getting a guy like Bagley would be allowing McDaniels to play most of his minutes at SF (which seems like a much better fit for him).

In terms of an actual trade, I'd guess a Prince for Bagley swap would probably work due to the Kings lack of rotation caliber SFs. I think the Wolves can fill Prince's minutes with Bolmaro/Okogie/Layman without any significant drop-off, so the deal is basically dealing from a position of depth to try to fill an area of need. Saving another $1.7M under the tax line would be a good thing as well since it would give Minnesota a little flexibility with their 15th roster spot.
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Post#56 » by BK_2020 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:58 pm

You want Juancho back?
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Post#57 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:45 pm

BK_2020 wrote:You want Juancho back?


They traded him away this season, so they cannot legally trade for him until next season.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#58 » by K_chile22 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:26 pm

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K_chile22 wrote:I think it's December 15th no?

Was also trying to think of a bigger deal with wood going to Charlotte for a package around PJ Washington who goes to Minny for McLaughlin+ something but idk what to do for the something

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I like that as well.

I believe McLaughlin and Vanderbilt are the rare January 15 pair because they signed so late.



It’s not the timing. It’s because they were resigned using Bird Rights as opposed to cap space or an exception.


That's actually no longer the case. Only have to wait until Jan 15th if BYC applies to the player resigned with bird rights (so a 20% raise)
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q96

But not sure how that applies to a guy coming off a two way. It's less than 20% over his Minimum tho and Spotrac has his trade restriction ending on December 15th so I think he's good to be traded then
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#59 » by SmokeyPaw » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:33 pm

BK_2020 wrote:You want Juancho back?

No thanks. Have the t-shirt.
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Re: Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF? 

Post#60 » by loserX » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:22 pm

Is there anything to discuss in a Prince for Tristan Thompson trade?

Prince has struggled this year but the Kings could still use some help up front especially if he can D up bigger perimeter players. Tristan has a diminished role behind Holmes and Len, but he can still be physical and the one thing he can do well is rebound.

Minny also clears space under the tax line, so maybe if they try hard enough the Kings can squeeze a little cash or a negotiable 2nd or something out of it.

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