This team needs Ben Simmons
Moderators: Jeff Van Gully, dakomish23, Capn'O, j4remi, Deeeez Knicks, NoLayupRule, mpharris36, GONYK, HerSports85
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- TKKnicks1
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 4,558
- And1: 2,982
- Joined: Jun 28, 2002
- Location: Dallas
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Randle for Simmons straight up. Randle would be a good number 2 next to Embiid. He may actually even be considered a number 3 if you take Tobias into consideration.
~I Believe!~
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- NoLayupRule
- Forum Mod - Knicks
- Posts: 48,015
- And1: 10,874
- Joined: Dec 06, 2002
- Location: Playoffs Fool!
- Contact:
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
I agree
Simmons would be perfect for us
his defense would be appreciated, his penetration and dishing crucial and his weaknesses accepted
however he would cost way too much
they are asking for Harden plus for him
we cant afford him
but if there were a scenario where we could land him at a discount Id jump at it
Simmons would be perfect for us
his defense would be appreciated, his penetration and dishing crucial and his weaknesses accepted
however he would cost way too much
they are asking for Harden plus for him
we cant afford him
but if there were a scenario where we could land him at a discount Id jump at it
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 24,172
- And1: 4,237
- Joined: Jul 21, 2002
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Philly is not trading Simmons for Randle
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- FrozenEnvelope
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,645
- And1: 3,583
- Joined: Feb 03, 2020
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
I'm sure you guys will love and support Ben Simmons when you trash players on the team left and right who are hardworking, have good character and are good teammates and don't quit.
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 10,093
- And1: 3,851
- Joined: Mar 01, 2005
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Yeah we definitely need to get the worst max cat in the league. I promise, we would suck eternally.
Why not select a player we really want to pay the max for and then just do that instead? A player that can actually play? This is still NY. Let Simmons rot in Cleveland. That’s what’s going to happen anyway and CLE won’t enjoy it.
Let’s not be stupid. Simmons isn’t even a complete player.
Why not select a player we really want to pay the max for and then just do that instead? A player that can actually play? This is still NY. Let Simmons rot in Cleveland. That’s what’s going to happen anyway and CLE won’t enjoy it.
Let’s not be stupid. Simmons isn’t even a complete player.
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 8,983
- And1: 6,002
- Joined: Dec 28, 2018
- Location: São Paulo, Brasil
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Chanel Bomber wrote:You trade for Simmons you need a stretch 5, a point guard who can shoot, and wings who can play without the ball.
And also an innovative coach to get the best out of him, ideally.
Randle doesn't fit with Simmons at all so you probably put him in the package.
Rose
IQ
Burks
Simmons
Obi/Noel
An improvement but they're not exactly world-beaters.
Rose can not be the starting PG. Neither Noel the starting Center. Too small and injury and foul prone.
Thibs can not be the coach. He needs a rin runner. He would not play small ball with Obi.
BAF Brooklyn - Pre-Season NBA 2K Simulation 2023 Champions.
Brunson/Nembhard/Micic
Butler/IQ/Ben Sheppard
Strus/Watford/Nesmith
Boucher/Morris/Baldwin Jr
Embiid/Landale/Yurtseven
Brunson/Nembhard/Micic
Butler/IQ/Ben Sheppard
Strus/Watford/Nesmith
Boucher/Morris/Baldwin Jr
Embiid/Landale/Yurtseven
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 8,983
- And1: 6,002
- Joined: Dec 28, 2018
- Location: São Paulo, Brasil
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
TKKnicks1 wrote:Randle for Simmons straight up. Randle would be a good number 2 next to Embiid. He may actually even be considered a number 3 if you take Tobias into consideration.
They need perimeter players. If they refuse Grant to be a PF like Tobias, they will refuse Randle as well.
BAF Brooklyn - Pre-Season NBA 2K Simulation 2023 Champions.
Brunson/Nembhard/Micic
Butler/IQ/Ben Sheppard
Strus/Watford/Nesmith
Boucher/Morris/Baldwin Jr
Embiid/Landale/Yurtseven
Brunson/Nembhard/Micic
Butler/IQ/Ben Sheppard
Strus/Watford/Nesmith
Boucher/Morris/Baldwin Jr
Embiid/Landale/Yurtseven
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 8,983
- And1: 6,002
- Joined: Dec 28, 2018
- Location: São Paulo, Brasil
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Simmons is a really good player. But he is a troublesome fit. You have to create a system and a roster designed to fit him.
If we think it's hard to get the right players to play around Randle. It's way worse with Simmons. We need reliable shooters to complement Simmons. Barret, Mitch, Obi are not.
To make things worse, Thibs is not an inventive coach. He wants a rin protector to play 5 and few rin protectors can stretch the floor in the offensive end.
If we think it's hard to get the right players to play around Randle. It's way worse with Simmons. We need reliable shooters to complement Simmons. Barret, Mitch, Obi are not.
To make things worse, Thibs is not an inventive coach. He wants a rin protector to play 5 and few rin protectors can stretch the floor in the offensive end.
BAF Brooklyn - Pre-Season NBA 2K Simulation 2023 Champions.
Brunson/Nembhard/Micic
Butler/IQ/Ben Sheppard
Strus/Watford/Nesmith
Boucher/Morris/Baldwin Jr
Embiid/Landale/Yurtseven
Brunson/Nembhard/Micic
Butler/IQ/Ben Sheppard
Strus/Watford/Nesmith
Boucher/Morris/Baldwin Jr
Embiid/Landale/Yurtseven
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 8,983
- And1: 6,002
- Joined: Dec 28, 2018
- Location: São Paulo, Brasil
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
NoLayupRule wrote:I agree
Simmons would be perfect for us
his defense would be appreciated, his penetration and dishing crucial and his weaknesses accepted
Did we suffer from memory loss?
We all know how the team looks like with a penetrating PG with no shooting skills.
BAF Brooklyn - Pre-Season NBA 2K Simulation 2023 Champions.
Brunson/Nembhard/Micic
Butler/IQ/Ben Sheppard
Strus/Watford/Nesmith
Boucher/Morris/Baldwin Jr
Embiid/Landale/Yurtseven
Brunson/Nembhard/Micic
Butler/IQ/Ben Sheppard
Strus/Watford/Nesmith
Boucher/Morris/Baldwin Jr
Embiid/Landale/Yurtseven
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 8,570
- And1: 7,713
- Joined: Dec 25, 2016
- Location: Bridgeport, NY
- Contact:
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Ben hasn't been microchipped, he can't even play in The People's Republic of DeBlasio. Regardless I've never seen a player with a more pathetic work ethic and less self awareness. He makes Kevin Knox look like Kobe Bryant when it comes to off the court basketball skill improvement. Also has a bad back and a screw in his foot.
As much self loathing as I have with respect to the Knicks I wouldn't wish SImmons and his cap obliterating deal on this franchise. It would take something like Randle and Knox for Simmons and 3 future firsts for me to take this deal on.
He'll be making $39 MILLION in 24-25 it's a top 5 worst contract in the league right now.
As much self loathing as I have with respect to the Knicks I wouldn't wish SImmons and his cap obliterating deal on this franchise. It would take something like Randle and Knox for Simmons and 3 future firsts for me to take this deal on.
He'll be making $39 MILLION in 24-25 it's a top 5 worst contract in the league right now.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- E-Balla
- RealGM
- Posts: 35,128
- And1: 24,429
- Joined: Dec 19, 2012
- Location: The Poster Formerly Known As The Gotham City Pantalones
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Morey is asking for the house. Randle for Ben straight up isn't going to work and I think sinking a pick into a player with zero work ethic in NYC is always the worst idea.
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- nykfan42
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,302
- And1: 3,096
- Joined: Mar 18, 2009
- Location: long island
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
This season really already has brought us to this? Sad.
Make the Knicks great again!
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- robillionaire
- RealGM
- Posts: 35,187
- And1: 48,923
- Joined: Jul 12, 2015
- Location: Asheville
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Apparently they have a list of 30 players they would trade simmons for, we need to find out if any of our guys are on that list. I seriously doubt that they are though.
Oh, and we aren't trading Randle.
Oh, and we aren't trading Randle.
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- Handledatruth
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,396
- And1: 1,739
- Joined: Aug 13, 2004
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Just need to put Randle at 5 and tell him to box out. This team doesn't play good enough defense to justify having non-scoring centers on the court. Put Randle at 5 and get a rangy defensive wing that can shoot and rebound (is that Barrett?). Then you can get Fournier, Quick, and Rose/Kemba on the floor at the same time or Burks, Grimes, Rose/Kemba. I think we know what Mitch is at this point.
Spoiler:
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- Iron Mantis
- RealGM
- Posts: 21,406
- And1: 18,813
- Joined: Aug 12, 2006
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Knicks have not a single player on the roster who is elite in any facet of basketball.
Knicks need talent. Git 'er dun.
Knicks need talent. Git 'er dun.
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- NoLayupRule
- Forum Mod - Knicks
- Posts: 48,015
- And1: 10,874
- Joined: Dec 06, 2002
- Location: Playoffs Fool!
- Contact:
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Richard4444 wrote:NoLayupRule wrote:I agree
Simmons would be perfect for us
his defense would be appreciated, his penetration and dishing crucial and his weaknesses accepted
Did we suffer from memory loss?
We all know how the team looks like with a penetrating PG with no shooting skills.
are you comparing Peyton to Simmons?
because the talent level is a little different
and for what its worth we now have Fournier shooting and we made it to the 4th seed last year with such a player
no, no memory loss. quite the opposite
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- Meat
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,943
- And1: 4,630
- Joined: Jun 30, 2013
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
spree2kawhi wrote:Yeah we definitely need to get the worst max cat in the league. I promise, we would suck eternally.
Why not select a player we really want to pay the max for and then just do that instead? A player that can actually play? This is still NY. Let Simmons rot in Cleveland. That’s what’s going to happen anyway and CLE won’t enjoy it.
Let’s not be stupid. Simmons isn’t even a complete player.
as opposed do what the knicks are doing now... which is prosper eternally
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- Meat
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,943
- And1: 4,630
- Joined: Jun 30, 2013
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Richard4444 wrote:NoLayupRule wrote:I agree
Simmons would be perfect for us
his defense would be appreciated, his penetration and dishing crucial and his weaknesses accepted
Did we suffer from memory loss?
We all know how the team looks like with a penetrating PG with no shooting skills.
4th seed?
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- E-Balla
- RealGM
- Posts: 35,128
- And1: 24,429
- Joined: Dec 19, 2012
- Location: The Poster Formerly Known As The Gotham City Pantalones
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
robillionaire wrote:Apparently they have a list of 30 players they would trade simmons for, we need to find out if any of our guys are on that list. I seriously doubt that they are though.
Oh, and we aren't trading Randle.
The list is just the All Star roster Morey ain't slick.
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
- TheGreenArrow
- RealGM
- Posts: 22,695
- And1: 33,682
- Joined: Sep 13, 2017
Re: This team needs Ben Simmons
Chanel Bomber wrote:You trade for Simmons you need a stretch 5, a point guard who can shoot, and wings who can play without the ball.
And also an innovative coach to get the best out of him, ideally.
Randle doesn't fit with Simmons at all so you probably put him in the package.
Rose
IQ
Burks
Simmons
Obi/Noel
An improvement but they're not exactly world-beaters.
Package mitch, Evan and 2 2ndround picks for turner!!!!
Ben/Drose
IQ/Grimes
Burks/?
Obi/ben
Turner/Obi
Then eventually flip Obi & IQ + picks for Ingram & hart!!!!!
Ben/Drose
Burks/Grimes
Hart/?
Ingram/?
Turner/Noel
That’s an instant contender!!!!!!!!!!!!!