Post#66 » by DCasey91 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:06 am
Paul/Nash produce very very highly team offense outcomes because they are ATG game managers and playmakers for their size. Both are better on holistic offense than Harden.
LBJ gets the best of both worlds though with more variance (lowlights and the highest and everything in between). Hot jumper he’s the best I’ve seen including Jordan. But his jumper is streaky at best.
Curry while not as good as CP3/Nash/Magic in game management down to passing execution subverts it with goat shooting and pound for pound one of the best scorers ever (most underrated trait).
MJ best perimeter scorer ever coupled with low T/O. But it’s interesting later on in his career it was tracking towards more defense to a team’s perspective with 4 ++ defenders (Pippen, Rodman, Harper being the other three) including himself. Efficiency dropped relative to age. Whereas older LBJ went the other way. From looking like DPOY, machine level offense at the Heat, to overproducing on offense and dipping on defense at the second stint, back towards Magic type playmaking and Malone scoring numbers at the Lakers with ++ defense (All NBA level). Truly incredible the transition at 3 very distinct periods of time.
87 onwards Magic took up more of the brunt on offense with Kareem finally declining (GOAT level big man on offense) with about as best results as you can ask for. OWS upped by a fair margin
MJ/LBJ/Magic
After that you can make a case for Curry imo.
Have to take into consideration usage, and over usage, heliocentric schemes, different rules, better skilled offensive components/pieces on a team to play with. SRS is bunk in the 90’s I don’t use it why would anyone use it is beyond me. Cupcake teams around.
I mean players play 32 mins and get 32++% usage. If you gave Nash that for example it would be godly.
Nash would be absurd as he was and just as bad on defense (not talking about defense).
Dirk would be KD in a different fashion
Magic would def be LBJ in his own special way on offense 23/11 guy more efficient slightly lower volume? Probably. His FT 1500+ makes at 88+% and 3 ball 700+ attempts last 4 years at 34.5% suggests that is the case. They are superior numbers than any 4 year stretch of shooting on the whole for Lebron. His box score creation for a team stands up decades later and is pretty at the top at extreme volume (duh it’s Magic) even with lower scoring volume numbers compared to scoring orientated players. Quite simply he’s the best playmaking guard ever. Best onball and live dribble passer and it’s not close at all. Pace was below average from 87-91 so two noticeable changes in his game. Shot more, more halfcourt orientated with better individual impact on a game. Dude was a 6”9 highly athletic Jokic walking mismatch with more passing and using hooks in the paint. Championship level offense while averaging 20-23 ppg in a playoff scenario is kind of backbreaking.
Those first three can raffle it. Can’t put Curry ahead because his game hasn’t revolutionized fully yet (rebounding though is looking great). Even KD has brought more naunce as years when on. All I’m saying yes he’s the GOAT shooter and one of the most efficienct scorers ever but he isn’t as portable as might you think he is. There is a particular system to max out his results. For the other three it’s simple put ball in hand. When Curry shothunts (and he does) TO’s go up, efficiency goes down, defense goes down basically it’s over sniping there’s less reverting in his game.
After that it’s an open discussion.