2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[HomieOmey]

My biggest thing is making sure that cap space continues to be used and not left to expire. It takes years to creep back up near the tax line one you drop back down to the basic cap and being up there in payroll is pretty much necessary for a contender. If there are really bad contracts that come with assets attached I’d gladly go that route but getting a solid contributor that has a skill the roster lacks is also totally fine with me.

Agreed. I'm not sure what's ideal, and moving Boucher AND Dragic probably would mean taking on a less than disirable salary, but I would love to see this team trade at least one (if not both) of Boucher and Dragic for someone they would more confidently pay that $$ than whatever Boucher gets this summer. If dealing assets like Flynn and/or Yuta (two guys struggling to find roles here) means bringing in a young piece that might make even more sense with our core, I think now is the time to pull the trigger. "Over paying" (in talent) via trade now feels like a better idea than letting Boucher and Dragic walk and then hoping we can over pay a free agent later IF we improve our 6-8 man core while improving our contract situation while we give Barnes, OG, and Precious an important year of development.

[ItsDanger]

Scottie and OG are not available. Everyone else is on the table. Ask Tolzman if he could rebuild the roster in this draft. If he says yes, you do it. That was embarrassing effort today.

[TRik]

Maybe we were showcasing eyeliner today?

[Def Leppard]

Boucher for Ibaka, some bones like this.

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[GameSenseHaver]

Here's a Siakam trade I'd be down to see:

WAS gets:
Pascal Siakam, Chris Boucher, Malachi Flynn

TOR gets:
Davis Bertans, Thomas Bryant, Rui Hachimura, Deni Avdija, 2022 1st round pick (top-10 protected), 2024 1st round pick (top-4 protected)

Raptors get two toolsy prospects on rookie contracts in Rui and Deni, plus bet on Thomas Bryant to be a long-term solution at centre. Davis Bertans would ideally be flipped ASAP, but Raps secure the extra pick by taking on his bad money. Worst case, he spaces the floor for half a season and gets to be used for salary matching later.

Washington consolidates their core with an excellent two-way wing in Siakam, try out Boucher and add Malachi for some youth. Since Rui and Bryant haven't played at all during the hot start, it's easier to justify letting them go, and Siakam would be a pretty clear upgrade over Deni in every single way.

Both teams grit their teeth at what they give up for what they get, but they also get solid (and fair) value in areas of need. Raps don't expect to win this year so they can afford to develop some prospects, while the Wiz are probably eager to start winning so they juice up their weakest position and prepare to make some noise in a wide open playoff bracket.

The biggest risk in the whole trade is Bryant, since he's coming off an ACL injury and entering UFA after this season, but he's only 24 and unquestionably talented (at least on offense). If Raps can get him to play well in a way more structured defensive system and re-sign him with Bird rights, he'll be a critical part of the rebuild.

Maybe Wizards add a 2nd rounder because of that horrible Bertans contract, but either way I think this is pretty even and good for both sides, not too different in construction from the Vucevic trade last year. Worst case we strap down for a longer rebuild, best case it's Rudy Gay 2.0

[ReddoverKobe]

Scottie and OG are not available. Everyone else is on the table. Ask Tolzman if he could rebuild the roster in this draft. If he says yes, you do it. That was embarrassing effort today.

I come in peace!

I got the league pass black friday deal and was watching Tor/Bos and god damn do I like Barnes. How about Barnes for DDV and semi

[wegotthabeet]

Scottie and OG are not available. Everyone else is on the table. Ask Tolzman if he could rebuild the roster in this draft. If he says yes, you do it. That was embarrassing effort today.

I come in peace!

I got the league pass black friday deal and was watching Tor/Bos and god damn do I like Barnes. How about Barnes for DDV and semi

let's expand on that deal by including Giannis and Siakam from both sides.

Siakam + Barnes for Giannis + DDV.

pretty unrealistic sure, but closer than Barnes for DDV.

[Saul Goodman]

I like the time is a flat circle option of kicking off a new rebuild with a Sacramento trade…



To Sacramento
Ben Simmons

To philly
Pascal siakam


To Toronto
Marvin Bagley
Davion Mitchell
Buddy Hield
2022. Top 3 protected
2024 unprotected



Philly decides to maximize Embiid prime and go for the title this season. Siakam maxey Harris Embiid curry is enough to compete for the title easily.

The kings get their guy in Simmons without giving up their two guards.

The raptors go rebuild here but can remain competitive too. We try to get the kings pick in the late lotto range. Bagley can be a reclamation project… Mitchell is the type of prospect that can thrive in Toronto.

[wegotthabeet]

hijacked from the Trade Board and expanded to include Toronto.

Toronto Trades - Siakam + Vanvleet for SGA + D. Green

Philadelphia Trades - Simmons + Maxey + D. Green + 2022 FRP for Siakam + Vanvleet

OKC Trades - SGA for Simmons + Maxey + 2022 FRP (PHI)

What would Toronto need to add? A protected FRP, an unprotected FRP, multiple FRP's, Trent, Flynn?

SGA
Trent Jr.
Anunoby
Barnes
Birch

New core - SGA + Barnes + OG

[goinrogue]

Philly is really really high on Maxey. They would never agree to this deal. Only way they trade maxey is if they get Lillard in return, or someone of his calibre.
Apparently raptors were among the teams who asked for Simmons early on. I don’t think Philly has interest in any of our players other than Scottie, who is obviously not available.

[Rapsfan07]

Here's a Siakam trade I'd be down to see:

WAS gets:
Pascal Siakam, Chris Boucher, Malachi Flynn

TOR gets:
Davis Bertans, Thomas Bryant, Rui Hachimura, Deni Avdija, 2022 1st round pick (top-10 protected), 2024 1st round pick (top-4 protected)

Raptors get two toolsy prospects on rookie contracts in Rui and Deni, plus bet on Thomas Bryant to be a long-term solution at centre. Davis Bertans would ideally be flipped ASAP, but Raps secure the extra pick by taking on his bad money. Worst case, he spaces the floor for half a season and gets to be used for salary matching later.

Washington consolidates their core with an excellent two-way wing in Siakam, try out Boucher and add Malachi for some youth. Since Rui and Bryant haven't played at all during the hot start, it's easier to justify letting them go, and Siakam would be a pretty clear upgrade over Deni in every single way.

Both teams grit their teeth at what they give up for what they get, but they also get solid (and fair) value in areas of need. Raps don't expect to win this year so they can afford to develop some prospects, while the Wiz are probably eager to start winning so they juice up their weakest position and prepare to make some noise in a wide open playoff bracket.

The biggest risk in the whole trade is Bryant, since he's coming off an ACL injury and entering UFA after this season, but he's only 24 and unquestionably talented (at least on offense). If Raps can get him to play well in a way more structured defensive system and re-sign him with Bird rights, he'll be a critical part of the rebuild.

Maybe Wizards add a 2nd rounder because of that horrible Bertans contract, but either way I think this is pretty even and good for both sides, not too different in construction from the Vucevic trade last year. Worst case we strap down for a longer rebuild, best case it's Rudy Gay 2.0

That's a pretty poor return for a two way all-star PF man.

I know he's slightly overpaid, but if you look around the league, he's kind of right on par in terms of pay with guys who play the same position and have similar impact.

[MikeM]

Dragic and Boucher for Kevin Love works. Just depends what the Cavs would include to get off his salary. They could be a team that views themselves as trying to vault into contention so they might actually want to dump Love.

[agkagk]

Dragic and Boucher for Kevin Love works. Just depends what the Cavs would include to get off his salary. They could be a team that views themselves as trying to vault into contention so they might actually want to dump Love.

how many firsts are they throwing in?

[Rapsfan07]

Dragic and Boucher for Kevin Love works. Just depends what the Cavs would include to get off his salary. They could be a team that views themselves as trying to vault into contention so they might actually want to dump Love.

how many firsts are they throwing in?

Bingo

[Psubs]

Philly is really really high on Maxey. They would never agree to this deal. Only way they trade maxey is if they get Lillard in return, or someone of his calibre.
Apparently raptors were among the teams who asked for Simmons early on. I don’t think Philly has interest in any of our players other than Scottie, who is obviously not available.

Yup, this summer was the time to get Maxey for Lowry. Now that's he's blown up, they wouldn't take FVV for him and filler.

[alpngso]

SGA is struggling out of the gate.

Can Raps do Siakam + top 8 protected lottery pick + @ for him? wonder what the market is to get SGA

[GameSenseHaver]

WAS gets:
Pascal Siakam, Chris Boucher, Malachi Flynn

TOR gets:
Davis Bertans, Thomas Bryant, Rui Hachimura, Deni Avdija, 2022 1st round pick (top-10 protected), 2024 1st round pick (top-4 protected)

That's a pretty poor return for a two way all-star PF man.

I know he's slightly overpaid, but if you look around the league, he's kind of right on par in terms of pay with guys who play the same position and have similar impact.

I see where you're coming from, but I think the returned value is fair and, most importantly, realistic. Look at what the Magic got for Vucevic last year when he was in the middle of the strongest season in his career: Wendell Carter Jr (decent former lottery pick still on his rookie contract), Al-Farouq Aminu (overpaid filler), 2 first round picks.

In this proposal, Siakam still nets us the 2 first round picks, but we also get 2 former top-10 picks with years of team control (and arguably better than Wendell Carter) plus a really intriguing young centre with hopes we can extend him. The Bertans contract is pretty awful, though, so that could be leverage for a higher return than what I laid out, but not much more than a 2nd rounder or two IMO. Maybe the 2022 pick could just be top-6 protected or something too. And of course Kuzma/KCP+filler would be way better for us than Bertans, but at that point it starts becoming too much for the Wizards.

[sogood]

hijacked from the Trade Board and expanded to include Toronto.

Toronto Trades - Siakam + Vanvleet for SGA + D. Green

Philadelphia Trades - Simmons + Maxey + D. Green + 2022 FRP for Siakam + Vanvleet

OKC Trades - SGA for Simmons + Maxey + 2022 FRP (PHI)

What would Toronto need to add? A protected FRP, an unprotected FRP, multiple FRP's, Trent, Flynn?

SGA
Trent Jr.
Anunoby
Barnes
Birch

New core - SGA + Barnes + OG

If OKC was dumb enough to do that, why wouldn’t Philly just take Shai for themselves?

[wegotthabeet]

hijacked from the Trade Board and expanded to include Toronto.

Toronto Trades - Siakam + Vanvleet for SGA + D. Green

Philadelphia Trades - Simmons + Maxey + D. Green + 2022 FRP for Siakam + Vanvleet

OKC Trades - SGA for Simmons + Maxey + 2022 FRP (PHI)

What would Toronto need to add? A protected FRP, an unprotected FRP, multiple FRP's, Trent, Flynn?

SGA
Trent Jr.
Anunoby
Barnes
Birch

New core - SGA + Barnes + OG

If OKC was dumb enough to do that, why would Philly just take Shai for themselves?

That's fair I guess. I'm just throwing ideas out there.

Siakam + Vanvleet seem like they fit their lineup better overall since they're trying to win now and those two have been a big part of a championship run previously. I think it's debatable which lineup would be better. Plus I said Toronto could add additional depth pieces like Precious, Flynn, Svi, picks etc. Siakam + VV already gives them better depth.

Vanvleet
Thybulle/Curry
Harris
Siakam
Embiid

SGA
Curry
Thybulle
Harris
Embiid

[wegotthabeet]

Philly is really really high on Maxey. They would never agree to this deal. Only way they trade maxey is if they get Lillard in return, or someone of his calibre.
Apparently raptors were among the teams who asked for Simmons early on. I don’t think Philly has interest in any of our players other than Scottie, who is obviously not available.

Yup, this summer was the time to get Maxey for Lowry. Now that's he's blown up, they wouldn't take FVV for him and filler.

Except for the fact that Lowry wanted to go to Miami. Just a minute detail.