Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason?

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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#21 » by Doctor MJ » Sun Dec 5, 2021 4:51 pm

wfiles wrote:Howard, McGee, Drummond, Whiteside was available. It's clear their biggest weakness is the Center position. They will get abused by Ayton, Jokic, Gobert, AD in the playoffs. Are they really going to rely on James Bustman and Kevon Looney?

So I’ll just say:

There’s a problem with how you’re simplifying the notion of a “good center” if you think the players you listed all qualify.

If the four, the only one who has proven capable of learning how to be a role player capable of working within a motion system is McGee, and McGee proved that he could do this in GS.

We thus can ask why the Warriors prefer the guys they have to McGee, but every other guy you couldn’t expect them to come in and thrive in GS, any more than DeMarcus Cousins.

I’ll add this is really something because McGee as a young player was often called the dumbest player in the league, but McGee has grown in his understanding to the point of team competence in a way the others have not ever proven they can.


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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#22 » by Warriorfan » Sun Dec 5, 2021 4:59 pm

Looney is a solid playoff tested starting C. Green is a the championship tested closing C. Wiseman is a young talented developing C. Kuminga may grow into a young talented Small ball C.

C position has been an area of less importance
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#23 » by nfmos » Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:00 pm

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dj20001 wrote:
dkb965 wrote:
I think if they traded for him they would cement themselves as the favorites. He is on a great contract, so they can afford to trade for him and keep their big three and Wiggins. He would fit their style of play like a glove as well.


Would be shocking to see them trade for Sabonis and not have give up any of those 4.


Domantas sabonis for Kuminga/Wiseman/Toscano and 2 first round picks works. Would Indy say no?


So basically 4 years of #1 picks plus a crowd favorite? I cant say Hell No loud enough.
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#24 » by UcanUwill » Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:04 pm

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UcanUwill wrote:
dj20001 wrote:
Would be shocking to see them trade for Sabonis and not have give up any of those 4.


Domantas sabonis for Kuminga/Wiseman/Toscano and 2 first round picks works. Would Indy say no?


So basically 4 years of #1 picks plus a crowd favorite? I cant say Hell No loud enough.


Interesting, I cant imagine GSW passing on that deal, I think Indy would tho, cause Wiseman is basically Bitadze so for them he doesnt make much sense. Indy need to blow it up, GSW are the ones who can offer some youth for a win now player, I imagine INDY would like to find a better deal than what I posted, but not every team has or wants to deal their very young talent.
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#25 » by dkb965 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:06 pm

Warriorfan wrote:Looney is a solid playoff tested starting C. Green is a the championship tested closing C. Wiseman is a young talented developing C. Kuminga may grow into a young talented C.

C position has been an area of less importance


James Wiseman is Hassan Whiteside 2.0. He should be a solid pro and have a good career, but was a terrible pick at number 2. It could be worse though and he could be the next Hasheem Thabeet. The Warriors love to say how they are light years ahead of everyone yet passed on a star in the making in LaMelo Ball. :lol:
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#26 » by nfmos » Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:08 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
nfmos wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Domantas sabonis for Kuminga/Wiseman/Toscano and 2 first round picks works. Would Indy say no?


So basically 4 years of #1 picks plus a crowd favorite? I cant say Hell No loud enough.


Interesting, I cant imagine GSW passing on that deal, I think Indy would tho, cause Wiseman is basically Bitadze so for them he doesnt make much sense. Indy need to blow it up, GSW are the ones who can offer some youth for a win now player, I imagine INDY would like to find a better deal than what I posted, but not every team has or wants to deal their very young talent.


We are already "winning now", part of the reason is we really push a strength in numbers strategy of emphasizing depth. Sabonis is not a KD level of difference maker so theres no way we throw away our future for a debatable level of improvement.
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#27 » by Sign5 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:09 pm

A guy like Whiteside would have looked like a fringe allstar with them if he was instructed to solely focus on rebounds, defense/rim protection and lobs. Then again they have the younger version of himself in Wiseman so they need to just wait until he's healthy I suppose.
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#28 » by nfmos » Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:14 pm

dkb965 wrote:
Warriorfan wrote:Looney is a solid playoff tested starting C. Green is a the championship tested closing C. Wiseman is a young talented developing C. Kuminga may grow into a young talented C.

C position has been an area of less importance


James Wiseman is Hassan Whiteside 2.0. He should be a solid pro and have a good career, but was a terrible pick at number 2. It could be worse though and he could be the next Hasheem Thabeet. The Warriors love to say how they are light years ahead of everyone yet passed on a star in the making in LaMelo Ball. :lol:


Wiseman is as far away from Whiteside in attitude and work ethic as any two players in the league.

Lamelo would never had gotten the type of run in GS that he has in Charlotte, so its not even a relative comparison. I am just fine with the light years comment with this team regardless. Go look at what this organization has done in the last 10 years since this ownership group bought the team and compare it to any other. No team ever hits 100% in drafts, but i still can see Wiseman being big for us in the future.
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#29 » by UcanUwill » Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:15 pm

nfmos wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
nfmos wrote:
So basically 4 years of #1 picks plus a crowd favorite? I cant say Hell No loud enough.


Interesting, I cant imagine GSW passing on that deal, I think Indy would tho, cause Wiseman is basically Bitadze so for them he doesnt make much sense. Indy need to blow it up, GSW are the ones who can offer some youth for a win now player, I imagine INDY would like to find a better deal than what I posted, but not every team has or wants to deal their very young talent.


We are already "winning now", part of the reason is we really push a strength in numbers strategy of emphasizing depth. Sabonis is not a KD level of difference maker so theres no way we throw away our future for a debatable level of improvement.


Well, exactly you are winning now, you need to strengthen your chances now, player like Curry comes ones every 25 years if you are very lucky, hit iron while its hot. What future does Kuminga, Wiseman and 2 late first even bring, maybe a good one, but its a long shot anyway, but they have some cat in the bag type value right now, and it is also the moment you are gunning for titles. Sabonis is very good player who would fit ideally on this team.
Maybe you can win championships while keeping youth, but that is a strategy that is far more likely to keep you with nothing, concentrate one one timeline and the right timeline is now.
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#30 » by dkb965 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:21 pm

nfmos wrote:
dkb965 wrote:
Warriorfan wrote:Looney is a solid playoff tested starting C. Green is a the championship tested closing C. Wiseman is a young talented developing C. Kuminga may grow into a young talented C.

C position has been an area of less importance


James Wiseman is Hassan Whiteside 2.0. He should be a solid pro and have a good career, but was a terrible pick at number 2. It could be worse though and he could be the next Hasheem Thabeet. The Warriors love to say how they are light years ahead of everyone yet passed on a star in the making in LaMelo Ball. :lol:


Wiseman is as far away from Whiteside in attitude and work ethic as any two players in the league.

Lamelo would never had gotten the type of run in GS that he has in Charlotte, so its not even a relative comparison. I am just fine with the light years comment with this team regardless. Go look at what this organization has done in the last 10 years since this ownership group bought the team and compare it to any other. No team ever hits 100% in drafts, but i still can see Wiseman being big for us in the future.


LaMelo would have had a great opportunity to develop alongside Curry considering that Thompson has been injured. Wiseman may very well have a great attitude and work ethic, but I never understood why he was as highly touted as he was as a prospect. Passing on LaMelo and taking Wiseman reminds me of the Kings taking Bagley over Dončić/Young.
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#31 » by leo7 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 6:08 pm

I ask myself this every time the Hawks play the 76ers...

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especially since McGee, Drummond, and Whiteside were available :banghead:
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#32 » by DoItALL9 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 6:11 pm

They should've kicked the tires on Drummond if he were willing to come off the bench and play for the minimum.

I wonder was the relationship with Cousins acrimonious at the end? It's a little surprising there's never been any public discussion of bringing him back.

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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#33 » by BlzMwt » Sun Dec 5, 2021 6:17 pm

dkb965 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
dkb965 wrote:They should try to trade for Domantas Sabonis.


They made that trade in my 2k20 campaign. As a Lithuanian, I would love that, even tho I am not the biggest Domantas fan or anything, but would like to see fellow Lithuanian on a legit contender. Ilgauskas and Arvydas were close, Jonas was traded, we as nation still dont have NBA ring.
Too much sense that trade make, Indy needs to blow it up, while GSW need to go all in. No way they dont get championship run with Steph, Dray, Klay back and Domas to boot, thats a stacked team, and not in a way Lakers are stacked :lol:


I think if they traded for him they would cement themselves as the favorites. He is on a great contract, so they can afford to trade for him and keep their big three and Wiggins. He would fit their style of play like a glove as well.


Everyone complains that the league has no parity (including myself) and then we finally do (due in part because of the dysfunction of Brooklyn)... and yet we still have clear title contenders and people want to add another top 30 player to the current favourite.

Why?
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#34 » by picc » Sun Dec 5, 2021 7:41 pm

Looney is shooting 60% at the rim this year. Thats terrible for a big.

If the warriors had a big who could actually finish at the rim, they’d be even more dangerous.
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#35 » by Arlo » Sun Dec 5, 2021 8:13 pm

Lalouie wrote:
wfiles wrote:Howard, McGee, Drummond, Whiteside was available. It's clear their biggest weakness is the Center position. They will get abused by Ayton, Jokic, Gobert, AD in the playoffs. Are they really going to rely on James Bustman and Kevon Looney?


before the season started gsw was pretty much picked to be in the middle of the pack fighting for a play-in spot

no one expected this season to go wacko for the whole league. so here we are with gsw with a roster that bears no resemblance to a ring team,,,,with a record of a ring team

Three multi ring starters and they bear no resemblance to a ring team?
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#36 » by MindState » Sun Dec 5, 2021 8:23 pm

dkb965 wrote:
Warriorfan wrote:Looney is a solid playoff tested starting C. Green is a the championship tested closing C. Wiseman is a young talented developing C. Kuminga may grow into a young talented C.

C position has been an area of less importance


James Wiseman is Hassan Whiteside 2.0. He should be a solid pro and have a good career, but was a terrible pick at number 2. It could be worse though and he could be the next Hasheem Thabeet. The Warriors love to say how they are light years ahead of everyone yet passed on a star in the making in LaMelo Ball. :lol:


Probably one of the worst takes ive seen lately. Have you watched Wiseman play a single game?

The main concerns people have about Wiseman are 1) Ability to fit into a motion offense 2) His positional defense ability and switchability.

The guy has loads of talent, and if developed right can be a star in this league. Just wait until you see him this year when hes not surrounded by a g-league team.

Warriors need him to be Ayton 2.0 or Javale McGee, but his skillset is that of Chris Bosh/Giannis.
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#37 » by Clay Davis » Sun Dec 5, 2021 8:25 pm

Arlo wrote:
Lalouie wrote:
wfiles wrote:Howard, McGee, Drummond, Whiteside was available. It's clear their biggest weakness is the Center position. They will get abused by Ayton, Jokic, Gobert, AD in the playoffs. Are they really going to rely on James Bustman and Kevon Looney?


before the season started gsw was pretty much picked to be in the middle of the pack fighting for a play-in spot

no one expected this season to go wacko for the whole league. so here we are with gsw with a roster that bears no resemblance to a ring team,,,,with a record of a ring team

Three multi ring starters and they bear no resemblance to a ring team?

Three multi-ring starters, the record of a wing team, and a roster that bears no resemblance to a ring team. Two of these things are not like the other.
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#38 » by SeanieWard » Sun Dec 5, 2021 8:28 pm

whatisacenter wrote:good and cheap and then OP lists - Howard, McGee, Drummond, Whiteside... well they were cheap anyway.


they guys are still quality rotation borderline starters in this league..

I'd take them all over Looney tbh but Looney's on ball defense is pretty good..I'll give him that over anyone available
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#39 » by SeanieWard » Sun Dec 5, 2021 8:30 pm

There was a rumor about them being interested in Marc Gasol so they were probably looking but I guess nothing made sense to them. I think they now have to hope Wiseman is that guy and I think he can be but he was so raw last year that idk
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Re: Why did the Warriors not pick up a cheap good Center in the offseason? 

Post#40 » by MindState » Sun Dec 5, 2021 8:37 pm

SeanieWard wrote:There was a rumor about them being interested in Marc Gasol so they were probably looking but I guess nothing made sense to them. I think they now have to hope Wiseman is that guy and I think he can be but he was so raw last year that idk


Wiseman looked worse last year because the Warriors didnt have a single development coach on their staff. They told him to "just go out there and play" so he did. This year will be much different as they pigeon-hole him into a role.

If he just plays to his strengths, he will be a much better player then Looney, who cant even jump.

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