GT: Bulls @ Nets 12/4 8:00 -- Nominate Paradise for next GT

[Prokorov]

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Kyrie is not coming back.

After next CBA vaccination will be mandatory, NBA contracts won't be guaranteed like in NFL, only blind can't see this coming.

Ben Simmons and Kyrie are going to be the reason why the players get locked out in July of 2024. The owners are going to want language in the next CBA to offer teams protection against these kinds of situations. Refusal to do what is necessary to honor your contract and make yourself available for work is a big problem.

Yeah, that simply is not the situation with Kyre and maybe not Simmons either. In the US you cant tell people they have to work if they have mental healthy issues. and you cant force people to put things in their body. There are financial protections for the team. both teams are taking advantage of that.

"i dont care if you are unwell" doesnt fly. the employer can go eff himself. my health isnt worth your bottom line. and if im not valuable enough then you can terminate me.

"I dont care about your rights as a human, your rights under the constitution of the us, or your rights under the geneva convention. your putting this in your body and coming to work". Even bigger FU you to my employer. if you want to terminate me do it, you have no authority over my body.

[MrDollarBills]

Damian Lillard is pushing the Blazers to make a trade for Ben Simmons.

How about:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yj6b742p

Kyrie to Philly

Simmons to Portland

McCollum to Brooklyn.

Works out salary wise, and Kyrie doesn't have to leave the area.

We get marginally better, with a not great fit

philly becomes a top 2 contender, leapfrogs us.

McCollum gives us another scorer and ball handler, how is he not a great fit?

[Prokorov]

It's not going to get destroyed in court bro, you've been saying this for months and the mandate is not only being upheld, but it's going to get even stricter with the variant causing concerns.

The exsisting challenges have led to changes and injections and 90% are still in court. and those cases are held by the public. they are subject to government oversight and their are existing precedents that make it tough to win in court.

Private entities are a completely different story. they are not run by the government and in most cases not subject to government oversight. you have billions and trillions instead of thousands and millions of dollars in resources and legal council. Then you have private comanies who contribute billions in lobby to congress and the senate that will put political pressure on.

Again, none of this helps the nets, but its going to be met with a different opposition then the public mandate

Also, he will now need to be fully vaccinated, and get a booster shot when eligible to play in Barclays starting December 27th, as they are going to bar anyone who hasn't received their booster from attending games.

The mandate will eventually go away. it has to. its political nonsense not based in science. the risk is approaching 0 for anyone over 5. and fractions of 1% for those under 5. At some point, you need to realize this is endemic and allow people to live their lives.

[Prokorov]

Damian Lillard is pushing the Blazers to make a trade for Ben Simmons.

How about:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yj6b742p

Kyrie to Philly

Simmons to Portland

McCollum to Brooklyn.

Works out salary wise, and Kyrie doesn't have to leave the area.

We get marginally better, with a not great fit

philly becomes a top 2 contender, leapfrogs us.

McCollum gives us another scorer and ball handler, how is he not a great fit?

He doesnt create for others. he isnt much of an offball scorer. he is more a guy who takes turns with lillard hoisting shots. his defense is all-time bad. i wouldnt want him even if it was like for claxton and spare parts

[MrDollarBills]

After next CBA vaccination will be mandatory, NBA contracts won't be guaranteed like in NFL, only blind can't see this coming.

Ben Simmons and Kyrie are going to be the reason why the players get locked out in July of 2024. The owners are going to want language in the next CBA to offer teams protection against these kinds of situations. Refusal to do what is necessary to honor your contract and make yourself available for work is a big problem.

Yeah, that simply is not the situation with Kyre and maybe not Simmons either. In the US you cant tell people they have to work if they have mental healthy issues. and you cant force people to put things in their body. There are financial protections for the team. both teams are taking advantage of that.

"i dont care if you are unwell" doesnt fly. the employer can go eff himself. my health isnt worth your bottom line. and if im not valuable enough then you can terminate me.

"I dont care about your rights as a human, your rights under the constitution of the us, or your rights under the geneva convention. your putting this in your body and coming to work". Even bigger FU you to my employer. if you want to terminate me do it, you have no authority over my body.

Yes you can. Labor laws really don't offer much protection to people who refuse to work based on mental health issues not signed off on by a licensed practitioner (which seems to be the case with Ben Simmons), and employers around the country are mandating vaccinations. In both situations, if you are not available for work, you can and will get fired. My company here in NJ just announced that they are moving towards that step next to protect the workers and our families (and their bottom line, of course). We've had this discussion before, you seem to think that the USA is some Libertarian free for all when it is not and never has been.

Regarding the CBA, imo the owners are going to want the option of getting out of having to pay these guys for this kind of stuff. Joe Tsai and Josh Harris are shelling out millions right now for two max players who aren't playing not due to injury. They're going to get the players locked out.

Regarding Simmons, his situation is suspect because while he wanted a trade, he only showed up to Sixers camp to get paid and when he got there he got thrown out of practice for being an ass hole. Then all of a sudden mental health was thrown out there as to why he didn't want to report. I do think that Ben does have some mental health issues in terms of his court play, but we all know that he's done with Philly after getting thrown under the bus following their playoff loss and wants out. Which is fine, but I doubt owners are going to want a repeat of this situation again where a guy is holding out and getting paid.

Regarding Kyrie, vaccine mandates, private or public, have been apart of American life dating back to the 1700s. All that stuff about the constitution, geneva convention etc is nonsense. Every American starts out their early life having to get vaccinated to attend school, private or public. This isn't anything new nor is it some violation of the law, civil rights, or international law like you are falsely implying.

[Hello Brooklyn]

NYC is not moving towards pulling back these mandates. If anything they are going in the other direction.

Kyrie's mind is still unchanged. He won't get the vax.

I think we should have just let him play in road games. Its better than nothing. Will take a ton of pressure off KD.

Maybe once hes out there playing he will be more motivated and get vaxxed,

[Prokorov]

Yes you can. Labor laws really don't offer much protection to people who refuse to work based on mental health issues not signed off on by a licensed practitioner (which seems to be the case with Ben Simmons), and employers around the country are mandating vaccinations. In both situations, if you are not available for work, you can and will get fired. My company here in NJ just announced that they are moving towards that step next to protect the workers and our families (and their bottom line, of course). We've had this discussion before, you seem to think that the USA is some Libertarian free for all when it is not and never has been.

Simmons didnt get it checked by team doctors which was the big issue. either way, they cant make him play. they can fine him, which they are. this isnt some dictatorship where humans are slaves and have to go to work with no free will. doc pay if its not medically protected or fire them

Regarding the CBA, imo the owners are going to want the option of getting out of having to pay these guys for this kind of stuff. Joe Tsai and Josh Harris are shelling out millions right now for two max players who aren't playing not due to injury. They're going to get the players locked out.

Neither simmons or kyrie are getting paid for games they miss on their own accord. this protection already exsists.

Regarding Simmons, his situation is suspect because while he wanted a trade, he only showed up to Sixers camp to get paid and when he got there he got thrown out of practice for being an ass hole. Then all of a sudden mental health was thrown out there as to why he didn't want to report. I do think that Ben does have some mental health issues in terms of his court play, but we all know that he's done with Philly after getting thrown under the bus following their playoff loss and wants out. Which is fine, but I doubt owners are going to want a repeat of this situation again where a guy is holding out and getting paid.

The owners will always see repeates. mental health issues are real. they cant police it away, and when you force mentally ill people to work or try and force them to live normal life, bad things happen (like the malice in the palace)

Regarding Kyrie, vaccine mandates, private or public, have been apart of American life dating back to the 1700s. All that stuff about the constitution, geneva convention etc is nonsense. Every American starts out their early life having to get vaccinated to attend school, private or public. This isn't anything new nor is it some violation of the law, civil rights, or international law like you are falsely implying.

it is if you want to start forcing them to take it. if they are willing to accept the lack of mobility and opportunity or lose wealth because of it, that should be the sacrafice. you can t start making people put stuff in their body they dont want to.

ESPECIALLY when the mandate is politically motivated and spits in the face of science

[Prokorov]

NYC is not moving towards pulling back these mandates. If anything they are going in the other direction.

Kyrie's mind is still unchanged. He won't get the vax.

I think we should have just let him play in road games. Its better than nothing. Will take a ton of pressure off KD.

Maybe once hes out there playing he will be more motivated and get vaxxed,

They have to. you can only put people out of work with nearly 0 risk before that gets ugly and violence ensues. NYC is facing fighting a battle on both ends..

on one side. old rich white dudes who give billions to polticians through lobby who wont just let the city tell them what to do with their private business.

on the other, out of work people who are being foreclosed on and evicted while risk for people under 65 is nearly 0 (several factors of .1%). If the new variant proves to change that it is one thing. but its not close to that with the origianl strain or delta.

[Hello Brooklyn]

NYC is not moving towards pulling back these mandates. If anything they are going in the other direction.

Kyrie's mind is still unchanged. He won't get the vax.

I think we should have just let him play in road games. Its better than nothing. Will take a ton of pressure off KD.

Maybe once hes out there playing he will be more motivated and get vaxxed,

They have to. you can only put people out of work with nearly 0 risk before that gets ugly and violence ensues. NYC is facing fighting a battle on both ends..

on one side. old rich white dudes who give billions to polticians through lobby who wont just let the city tell them what to do with their private business.

on the other, out of work people who are being foreclosed on and evicted while risk for people under 65 is nearly 0 (several factors of .1%). If the new variant proves to change that it is one thing. but its not close to that with the origianl strain or delta.

Yes you can. Almost everyone is going to get the vaccine if they are forced to in order to work. Thats the point.

Its going to hold up legally since vaccine mandates have been held up by the Supreme Court several times.

People who don't want it that badly can always leave NYC.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't want Ben Simmons. I don't know why some of you guys keep pushing for this.

What has Ben done to ever prove he can be a winning player in the playoffs? Hes a 30% FT shooter and unplayable in the last 5 minutes of a playoff game.

How could we use him vs a team like the Bucks? When he can't be in our closing lineup?

Not to mention you are gifting Philly Kyrie. Kyrie + Embiid could possibly beat us!

[_Und3r][D4wg_]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264940/DeMar-DeRozan-Enters-NBAs-COVID-19-Protocols

Just our luck this didn't happen a game earlier for us.

[MrDollarBills]

Yes you can. Labor laws really don't offer much protection to people who refuse to work based on mental health issues not signed off on by a licensed practitioner (which seems to be the case with Ben Simmons), and employers around the country are mandating vaccinations. In both situations, if you are not available for work, you can and will get fired. My company here in NJ just announced that they are moving towards that step next to protect the workers and our families (and their bottom line, of course). We've had this discussion before, you seem to think that the USA is some Libertarian free for all when it is not and never has been.

Simmons didnt get it checked by team doctors which was the big issue. either way, they cant make him play. they can fine him, which they are. this isnt some dictatorship where humans are slaves and have to go to work with no free will. doc pay if its not medically protected or fire them

Regarding the CBA, imo the owners are going to want the option of getting out of having to pay these guys for this kind of stuff. Joe Tsai and Josh Harris are shelling out millions right now for two max players who aren't playing not due to injury. They're going to get the players locked out.

Neither simmons or kyrie are getting paid for games they miss on their own accord. this protection already exsists.

Regarding Simmons, his situation is suspect because while he wanted a trade, he only showed up to Sixers camp to get paid and when he got there he got thrown out of practice for being an ass hole. Then all of a sudden mental health was thrown out there as to why he didn't want to report. I do think that Ben does have some mental health issues in terms of his court play, but we all know that he's done with Philly after getting thrown under the bus following their playoff loss and wants out. Which is fine, but I doubt owners are going to want a repeat of this situation again where a guy is holding out and getting paid.

The owners will always see repeates. mental health issues are real. they cant police it away, and when you force mentally ill people to work or try and force them to live normal life, bad things happen (like the malice in the palace)

Regarding Kyrie, vaccine mandates, private or public, have been apart of American life dating back to the 1700s. All that stuff about the constitution, geneva convention etc is nonsense. Every American starts out their early life having to get vaccinated to attend school, private or public. This isn't anything new nor is it some violation of the law, civil rights, or international law like you are falsely implying.

it is if you want to start forcing them to take it. if they are willing to accept the lack of mobility and opportunity or lose wealth because of it, that should be the sacrafice. you can t start making people put stuff in their body they dont want to.

ESPECIALLY when the mandate is politically motivated and spits in the face of science

the mandate is not politically motivated. You keep saying that, but offer little evidence as to why you think that it is so. Vaccine mandates are 100% about public health and safety. When you say it's politically motivated, you make it sound like the city is trying to harm right wingers or something.

No one is being forced to take anything. You have a decision. You can either comply with public health and safety protocols, be a decent human being and do your part to help each other stay safe, or you can choose not to and the consequences range from losing your job if it requires vaccination, or not be allowed to enter public spaces that require proof of vaccination. I think that is a fair trade off for people who are absolutely selfish ass holes.

It's not like DeBlasio has storm troopers on the ground, going door to door and forcing people to get inoculated. It's not that serious.

[MrDollarBills]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264940/DeMar-DeRozan-Enters-NBAs-COVID-19-Protocols

Just our luck this didn't happen a game earlier for us.

The fact that DeRozan was playing against us while possibly infected has me pretty concerned.

[MrDollarBills]

NYC is not moving towards pulling back these mandates. If anything they are going in the other direction.

Kyrie's mind is still unchanged. He won't get the vax.

I think we should have just let him play in road games. Its better than nothing. Will take a ton of pressure off KD.

Maybe once hes out there playing he will be more motivated and get vaxxed,

They have to. you can only put people out of work with nearly 0 risk before that gets ugly and violence ensues. NYC is facing fighting a battle on both ends..

on one side. old rich white dudes who give billions to polticians through lobby who wont just let the city tell them what to do with their private business.

on the other, out of work people who are being foreclosed on and evicted while risk for people under 65 is nearly 0 (several factors of .1%). If the new variant proves to change that it is one thing. but its not close to that with the origianl strain or delta.

Yes you can. Almost everyone is going to get the vaccine if they are forced to in order to work. Thats the point.

Its going to hold up legally since vaccine mandates have been held up by the Supreme Court several times.

People who don't want it that badly can always leave NYC.

There isn't going to be violence in the streets either. NYC has an impeccable vaccination rate compared to the rest of the country. The jackasses that don't want to get protected will be a small minority that will be told to go f*ck themselves.

Also, it is in the best interest for private businesses to enforce a mandate because it protects their workforce and their bottom line. Big companies are already moving towards this without even being forced to do so.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't want Ben Simmons. I don't know why some of you guys keep pushing for this.

What has Ben done to ever prove he can be a winning player in the playoffs? Hes a 30% FT shooter and unplayable in the last 5 minutes of a playoff game.

How could we use him vs a team like the Bucks? When he can't be in our closing lineup?

Not to mention you are gifting Philly Kyrie. Kyrie + Embiid could possibly beat us!

If we can get CJ McCollum in a three team deal, I would do it. I'd rather take CJ than sit here and play this idiot game with Kyrie's dumb ass.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't want Ben Simmons. I don't know why some of you guys keep pushing for this.

What has Ben done to ever prove he can be a winning player in the playoffs? Hes a 30% FT shooter and unplayable in the last 5 minutes of a playoff game.

How could we use him vs a team like the Bucks? When he can't be in our closing lineup?

Not to mention you are gifting Philly Kyrie. Kyrie + Embiid could possibly beat us!

If we can get CJ McCollum in a three team deal, I would do it. I'd rather take CJ than sit here and play this idiot game with Kyrie's dumb ass.

Philly would have a great chance of beating us with Kyrie + Embiid. Im not doing it.

[NetsWorld]

I don't want Ben Simmons. I don't know why some of you guys keep pushing for this.

What has Ben done to ever prove he can be a winning player in the playoffs? Hes a 30% FT shooter and unplayable in the last 5 minutes of a playoff game.

How could we use him vs a team like the Bucks? When he can't be in our closing lineup?

Not to mention you are gifting Philly Kyrie. Kyrie + Embiid could possibly beat us!

If we can get CJ McCollum in a three team deal, I would do it. I'd rather take CJ than sit here and play this idiot game with Kyrie's dumb ass.

If Nets deal with Blazers, it won't be for CJ, it will be for Dame.