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D.Brasco wrote:Jeez these guys are making Shaq look like he had good self control. He didn't really fall off weight wise until he was near 30.
Do these guys not see how Tom Brady and LeBron take care of their bodies? They have the money to invest in themselves like those guys do.
Wolfgang630 wrote:Luka has so much more potential. I don’t get him and this pathetic laziness. Where’s the drive to be at the very top?
Zion I’ll give a little bit more break. His ceiling is very high too. I hope he’s learning to take his weight serious throughout this injury.
Big J wrote:In Luka's case I don't get what the big deal about playing your way into shape throughout the season is. It's better to be peaking when the playoffs start anyway.
LofJ wrote:D.Brasco wrote:Jeez these guys are making Shaq look like he had good self control. He didn't really fall off weight wise until he was near 30.
Do these guys not see how Tom Brady and LeBron take care of their bodies? They have the money to invest in themselves like those guys do.
Speaking of Shaq he has lost a ton of weight and has ripped abs believe it or not. His sister and Kobe passing away really motivated him to take better care of himself.
Swish1906 wrote:I love how people call Luka lazy when he plays a full season, is a one man show in the playoffs and runs then straight to the national team to carry them...
"but he did holidays in September blabla" "he was out of shape in october in training camp blabla"
D.Brasco wrote:LofJ wrote:D.Brasco wrote:Jeez these guys are making Shaq look like he had good self control. He didn't really fall off weight wise until he was near 30.
Do these guys not see how Tom Brady and LeBron take care of their bodies? They have the money to invest in themselves like those guys do.
Speaking of Shaq he has lost a ton of weight and has ripped abs believe it or not. His sister and Kobe passing away really motivated him to take better care of himself.
Yup, imagine if he looked like this during his post Heat years at least? he could have prolonged his dominance.
Why would you give Zion more of a break? He's a generational talent and way more overweight than Luka who can still play while losing some weight.Wolfgang630 wrote:Luka has so much more potential. I don’t get him and this pathetic laziness. Where’s the drive to be at the very top?
Zion I’ll give a little bit more break. His ceiling is very high too. I hope he’s learning to take his weight serious throughout this injury.
Big J wrote:In Luka's case I don't get what the big deal about playing your way into shape throughout the season is. It's better to be peaking when the playoffs start anyway.
dhsilv2 wrote:If true, I'm somewhat encouraged Zion was only 330. That's kinda on the low end of where i'd have guessed. 50-60 extra pounds of fat/water is still awful but he's looked just terrible to date.
Duke4life831 wrote:The sad part is I dont think either weight is unrealistic where I wouldnt believe this report. Luka is a legit 6'8 and is a big boy even when he is at ideal playing weight. So not all that hard to believe when he comes in out of shape he is pushing 260.
Then when it comes to Zion, him at peak shape at Duke was 270 pounds.
To get a better view of what he looked like at 270 pounds, go to 1:53 in the video for his post game interview. That is what Zion looked like at 270 pounds. Jaw line, shoulder definition, definition in his arms, how the jersey fits him and just overall body shape. Compare that to what he looked like in the Mountain Dew commercial, there was a hell of a lot more weight on him there and not good weight. So ya wouldnt be shocked if he was pushing 330 this summer.
Both guys need to take getting in shape far more serious. Luka seems to be going the Jokic route where they're using the season to get into shape and luckily they haven't really been effected injury wise from that. But just look at the difference getting in shape and staying in shape has done for Jokic. It took his game to the next level, same most likely happens with Luka.
Zion on the other hand, the extra weight has done more than just effect his level of play. It has been preventing him from playing. That is a whole other level of red flags.
BostonCouchGM wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:The sad part is I dont think either weight is unrealistic where I wouldnt believe this report. Luka is a legit 6'8 and is a big boy even when he is at ideal playing weight. So not all that hard to believe when he comes in out of shape he is pushing 260.
Then when it comes to Zion, him at peak shape at Duke was 270 pounds.
To get a better view of what he looked like at 270 pounds, go to 1:53 in the video for his post game interview. That is what Zion looked like at 270 pounds. Jaw line, shoulder definition, definition in his arms, how the jersey fits him and just overall body shape. Compare that to what he looked like in the Mountain Dew commercial, there was a hell of a lot more weight on him there and not good weight. So ya wouldnt be shocked if he was pushing 330 this summer.
Both guys need to take getting in shape far more serious. Luka seems to be going the Jokic route where they're using the season to get into shape and luckily they haven't really been effected injury wise from that. But just look at the difference getting in shape and staying in shape has done for Jokic. It took his game to the next level, same most likely happens with Luka.
Zion on the other hand, the extra weight has done more than just effect his level of play. It has been preventing him from playing. That is a whole other level of red flags.
Zion was closer to 260 when he reported at Duke. The whole 285 lbs narrative was created by the media drumming up hype and interest just like they're doing now. Mike said 270 lbs but he was talking out his arse hyping him up as well. He did get up to 270 due to sitting out with an injury though but that was quickly worked off. He was 260 as a rookie in the NBA and because of that people laughably claimed he lost 25 lbs to cover for their lie about him being 285 the previous season. And Luka is 6'7" in sneakers not 6'8". I seriously doubt he's 260. He looks heavier than normal, maybe 245 lbs. Why do people keep swallowing all the drama the NBA media spins out?
XTraderXL wrote:dirkdiggler4177 wrote:People call Doncic lazy, but forget he was dominating the Olympics averaging a triple-double in 32 minutes a game. He had 2 months off and I can't see how he was able to gain 30 pounds during two months. But he is known to be able to eat a ton of food. Ohh, well, he is 22, not 32.
Lazy excuses. Its pretty well known that Luka is lazy when it comes to physical conditioning. It has been the case forever. I am not sure he will ever change. Would be a shame for him not to reach his full potential and stay a borderline MVP candidate for the next 10+ years. Although at this rate he will catch up to Zion within 2-3 years
azcatz11 wrote:This is a deeply sad story. Zion needs to get the help he needs and get the hell out of NO
azcatz11 wrote:dhsilv2 wrote:If true, I'm somewhat encouraged Zion was only 330. That's kinda on the low end of where i'd have guessed. 50-60 extra pounds of fat/water is still awful but he's looked just terrible to date.
This is going to sound absolutely crazy but he should consider a career in the NFL if he can't drop the weight. With his measurables, he can be an elite defensive tackle and won't have to diet.
dlts20 wrote:People are forgetting that Zion was also injured and couldn't train. Luka is more disappointing to me. I don't get whats so hard about working out for an hour or 2 five days a week and paying a chef to keep you below your calories
NRSV wrote:azcatz11 wrote:This is a deeply sad story. Zion needs to get the help he needs and get the hell out of NO
Why are we blaming NO?
Bad discipline travels strikingly well.
D.Brasco wrote:azcatz11 wrote:dhsilv2 wrote:If true, I'm somewhat encouraged Zion was only 330. That's kinda on the low end of where i'd have guessed. 50-60 extra pounds of fat/water is still awful but he's looked just terrible to date.
This is going to sound absolutely crazy but he should consider a career in the NFL if he can't drop the weight. With his measurables, he can be an elite defensive tackle and won't have to diet.
17 games a year vs 82 has to be tantalizing for him as well.
dhsilv2 wrote:D.Brasco wrote:azcatz11 wrote:
This is going to sound absolutely crazy but he should consider a career in the NFL if he can't drop the weight. With his measurables, he can be an elite defensive tackle and won't have to diet.
17 games a year vs 82 has to be tantalizing for him as well.
Not sure the nike deals will be as impressive though.
