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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#341 » by clyde21 » Wed Dec 8, 2021 8:22 pm

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clyde21 wrote:longest recovery i've ever seen


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Longest recovery you've seen since...Jaren Jackson Jr. When he had the same injury. Last year.

Critique his game but the insinuation that he's a wuss for not forcing his meniscus to recover quicker is a really weird take to have.


id love to see actual data behind that, Wise injury seems like its taking absurdly long.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#342 » by Optimisticwarrior » Wed Dec 8, 2021 8:25 pm

You with your absurd agenda ... getting sick of it man ...
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#343 » by and1GS » Wed Dec 8, 2021 9:00 pm

clyde21 wrote:
and1GS wrote:
clyde21 wrote:longest recovery i've ever seen


Read on Twitter


Longest recovery you've seen since...Jaren Jackson Jr. When he had the same injury. Last year.

Critique his game but the insinuation that he's a wuss for not forcing his meniscus to recover quicker is a really weird take to have.


id love to see actual data behind that, Wise injury seems like its taking absurdly long.


Here ya go: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7686632/#:~:text=The%20study%20results%20indicate%20that,play%20time%20of%208.7%20months.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#344 » by FNQ » Wed Dec 8, 2021 9:44 pm

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clyde21 wrote:
and1GS wrote:
Read on Twitter


Longest recovery you've seen since...Jaren Jackson Jr. When he had the same injury. Last year.

Critique his game but the insinuation that he's a wuss for not forcing his meniscus to recover quicker is a really weird take to have.


id love to see actual data behind that, Wise injury seems like its taking absurdly long.


Here ya go: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7686632/#:~:text=The%20study%20results%20indicate%20that,play%20time%20of%208.7%20months.


Also of note - "isolated meniscus injury"

I havent really done a ton of HW on Wiseman here, but I seem to remember there being multiple issues.

Other medical people besides me on the board, and someone would certainly be calling it out if there was a serious issue. One of my first responses when finding out he was hurt was that he'd likely be out until December or 2022 (I forget where I landed on that). 7' guy with a cartilage injury at this age, you make sure its 100% before you proceed

Not to mention one of the best docs in the world is overseeing the whole situation
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Post#345 » by Nvnervous45 » Thu Dec 9, 2021 1:23 am

Haters love to hate. Fact of the matter is in high school he played mobley to a standstill. He'll be be good one. Just give him time. Some people like onyeka okongwu. What has he done.
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Post#346 » by EvanZ » Thu Dec 9, 2021 2:46 pm

Jaren Jackson is *finally* looking 100% healthy just in the last few weeks. I believe it could take Wiseman 6 more months to get there.
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Post#347 » by GunnerWRX » Thu Dec 9, 2021 5:46 pm

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Post#348 » by GunnerWRX » Thu Dec 9, 2021 5:48 pm

The-Power wrote:One thing that nothing and nobody can take away from him: he's a massive human being who's going to fill out.

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Is that a sports bra he is wearing?
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#349 » by Badly Browned » Thu Dec 9, 2021 5:51 pm

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The-Power wrote:One thing that nothing and nobody can take away from him: he's a massive human being who's going to fill out.

Read on Twitter


Is that a sports bra he is wearing?


Some kind of tracking thing. Like their heart rate, how much the move on the floor, etc.

I think all the players have it. I remember Steph wearing one in preseason.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#350 » by GunnerWRX » Thu Dec 9, 2021 5:52 pm

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Upperclass wrote:^ that was a 20+ point loss if Booker played. Suns were pulling away when he got hurt as well. Warriors weren't close to beating the Suns team that played last night imo with a hot Curry or not. Whenever they needed a stop or an easy basket, they got one. They didn't even spam the p n r like they usually do. Kerr held back as well but that was a subtle, respectable blow out.


We were up 48-43 when Booker got hurt

Sometimes its better to stay silent


Yes. Booker was -5 on the court. He wasn't killing us. Contrary to what some people believe.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#351 » by GSWFan1994 » Thu Dec 9, 2021 6:22 pm

Nvnervous45 wrote:Haters love to hate. Fact of the matter is in high school he played mobley to a standstill. He'll be be good one. Just give him time. Some people like onyeka okongwu. What has he done.


Okongwu is buried behind Capela and John Collins, plus the other guys they put as small ball PF in certain situations (Gallo, Hunter, etc).

It's hard to lap ahead so many players in their rotation. I like him, I think he will be a fine player as time passes.

As for Wiseman, he looks noticeably stronger in the above video. Guy has the talent, has the head in the right place by what I've read, and has the right coaching staff too. Only needs to not have any setbacks, health-wise, to go far in this league.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#352 » by The-Power » Thu Dec 9, 2021 6:30 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Okongwu is buried behind Capela and John Collins, plus the other guys they put as small ball PF in certain situations (Gallo, Hunter, etc).

It's hard to lap ahead so many players in their rotation. I like him, I think he will be a fine player as time passes.

His biggest problem is that he's injured. :D

That being said, I wouldn't want to give up Wiseman for Okongwu as I see Wiseman as having both a higher ceiling and a higher floor (on an average NBA team at least) – even if Okongwu might be a more natural fit for us at this point in time.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#353 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:47 am

"Over the summer, the Warriors brought in several new assistant coaches, one of which is Dejan Milojevic, who has his fingerprints all over the careers of Nikola Jokic, Ivica Zubac and Boban Marjanovic. His new job: coach up and develop Wiseman. "

Has anybody heard anything about Dejan Milojevic?
How much can an injured guy that can't scrimage 5 on 5 really improve his game.
Wiseman surprised me with his good outside shot last year.
If all Wiseman could do the last 6 months was shoot he might be really good at shooting.
If he could not jump his shot might be flat footed but at 7 foot tall maybe he does not need to jump when shooting.
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Post#354 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:40 am

Dejan Milojevic, was called Serbian Barkley. He was a 6' 7" Power forward, MVP of his league .
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#355 » by FNQ » Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:47 am

I wonder how he compares to Euro Derrick Rose
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Post#356 » by GSWFan1994 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:05 pm

Milojevic played for their national team too... but he wasn't a starter, merely a bench player. Nothing bad here, as the Serbia (back then Yoguslavia) team was loaded at the beginning of the 2000's (Bodiroga, Stojakovic, Jaric, etc, etc, etc).

In his national league (Adriatic League) he was 3 time MVP. Played at Euroleague too, some good seasons there. Reminder that Euroleague is the best european league by far.

Most importantly, he was Mega Basket's coach back when Jokic started playing as a pro.

Mega Basket was like a farm to many, many good/great young players to the pro game.

As an example, the Euroleague's current MVP, Vasilije Micić (current draft rights hold by OKC), started at Mega Basket. The Clippers' Zubac started at Mega too.

Jokic was the MVP of the Adriatic League when he was 18, if I'm not mistaken. I started following him the previous season (just something I do as a hobby, I like reading, studying and finding NBA draft prospects around the globe).

My point is very easy to understand: Mega had great emphasis on player development, and that worked amazingly. Milojevic was a part of that, and certainly its biggest factor.

When the news came out that we had hired him, I was instantly convinced it would work out.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#357 » by Onus » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:23 pm

Dejan is one the reason i'm bullish on Wiseman's development.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#358 » by clyde21 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:50 pm

Nvnervous45 wrote:Haters love to hate. Fact of the matter is in high school he played mobley to a standstill. He'll be be good one. Just give him time. Some people like onyeka okongwu. What has he done.


Onyeka hasn't done anything either and he's been hurt, but surface level he's a much better fit on this team than Wise ever was
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#359 » by Twinkie defense » Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:16 pm

Kawakami: Why the Warriors absolutely, positively are not trading James Wiseman

Really, when the Warriors think of their future, they in large part envision Wiseman using these first few years as a grand learning experience, then rampaging through the NBA landscape. That view is not changing any time soon.


So this means we're trading him, right? :lol:

The Warriors think Wiseman’s going to be a star

...This is sort of the point: The combination of Wiseman’s skill set and size is so unique that it will make things a little different for the Warriors. (Put Jonathan Kuminga in this category, too.) And whether it’s in four months or two years, at some point in the history of this franchise, they’ll want some different things either to help Curry, Klay and Draymond extend their prime years or to take over the team after those years have come and gone.

I mean, did you see this recent video of Wiseman doing a dribbling drill after practice?


They’re not too interested in looking for a better center this season

Would, say, Indiana’s Myles Turner, a proven shooter and dominant shot-blocker, be a good addition for the Warriors now that Indiana is looking at a possible roster shakeup? On the face of it, sure. Turner’s only 25. A prospective closing lineup of Curry, Klay, Draymond, Andrew Wiggins and Turner would be theoretically scary for all opponents.

But the Warriors have closed with Draymond at center in the biggest games for years and aren’t about to stop doing it now. It works, or else they wouldn’t have those three championships.


Admittedly, Wiseman isn’t built for the NBA’s small-ball era. But the Warriors believe they have that style locked in already and want Wiseman to be the kind of player who gets them into other dimensions, whether that’s this season or in future years.


What does that mean to you, James? “Just play my role to the best of my ability and just do what got me here — rebound, run the floor, block shots,” Wiseman said. “That’s what I’m good at, so that’s what I’m going to do. What you’re going to see from me out there is really just me playing my role, getting buckets and just being a great teammate. Having fun.”


Kawakami wrote:Unless somebody a lot more transformative than Turner or Simmons becomes available, the Warriors aren’t going to even consider trading any major part of their present. Or any major part of their future.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#360 » by GunnerWRX » Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:44 pm

They had a chance to get Millsap if they used the MLE instead of min. That would also mean the Nets not getting Millsap as well.

Granted, Millsap hasn't been too hot this season, but he was pretty efficient last season.

We didn't try hard to get a center this summer.

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