76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

[bebopdeluxe]

Yeah, that and because Simmons is a head case who has proven he'll just sit out on a team when his precious feelings are hurt, as he's not cut out to be a professional athlete. And because he's about as unprofessional as it gets. And because he can't shoot. And because he doesn't work on his game, you know, with the aforementioned "not being a professional" thing that was mentioned.

I can't believe a player like that isn't in demand.

They could have gotten a pretty damn good return for that player this summer. They didn't, though. Morey got greedy and now he's **** out of luck.

What trade was available that the 76ers passed up for Ben Simmons this summer?

For realz. I love it when people throw ish like that out there with absolutely ZERO to back it up (other than what some uncredentialed yabo may have said on some trash aggregator website).

And to be honest, you can't even trust a source like Shams on this - given that the talent agency that he works for is OWNED BY KLUTCH.

Sixers are doing just fine. 14-and-11 through first 25 games, despite a brutal early-season schedule (just finished 10 of their last 12 on the road), and with both Embiid and Harris missing 9 games each. December 15th is next week - more guys will be available then. Trade deadline isn't until FEBRUARY. Hell, Morey can even wait until next summer's draft.

Meanwhile, I have to think that Ben's cash flow is getting a bit squeezed, and - to the best of my knowledge - any money that has not been paid to Ben is GONE FOR GOOD - meaning, the team that he is traded to is not held liable for that money. The longer this goes, the cheaper it is for the acquiring team to get Ben...which is why I think this could easily go to the deadline. The acquiring team only has to pay 1/3 of Ben's 2021-22 salary.

Your move, Klutch.

[76ersForLife]

Sixers can still be patient they had that one 2-7 stretch without Embiid and a bunch of other guys out with Covid. They are 12-4 when Embiid plays this year.

[Sixerscan]

Yeah, that and because Simmons is a head case who has proven he'll just sit out on a team when his precious feelings are hurt, as he's not cut out to be a professional athlete. And because he's about as unprofessional as it gets. And because he can't shoot. And because he doesn't work on his game, you know, with the aforementioned "not being a professional" thing that was mentioned.

I can't believe a player like that isn't in demand.

They could have gotten a pretty damn good return for that player this summer. They didn't, though. Morey got greedy and now he's **** out of luck.

What trade was available that the 76ers passed up for Ben Simmons this summer?

Best I saw was Brodgon and a first, which is worse than the CJ, Simons or Little and a first offer that Woj or whoever reported this week. I guess we're not sure if that's literally on the table today but I didn't see anyone connected to the league say the Blazers would never do that.

As I said at the time, the concern trolling about Simmons' trade value during the preseason and the beginning of the year was backwards. Morey's assumption by waiting is not that other teams are just going to change their mind about Ben Simmons one day, but that some of the other teams are going to change their mind about their own players and players are going to change their mind about their teams.

Every year like 25 teams convince themselves preseason they can be playoff teams as constructed. The thing is, because the rules only allow 16 playoff teams, invariably some of those teams will disappoint. When that happens, like you are already seeing with the Blazers and Pacers, I assume more teams will join them, it forces those teams (and players on those teams) to face the reality that their roster isn't as good as they thought it was. At which point trading for Simmons becomes more attractive to them.

For example, the Blazers convinced themselves this off season that the issue with their defense was Stott's system and Chauncey was going to fix it. Now that they're still getting lit up every night, you may start thinking it is more of a personnel issue, and maybe a DPOY runner up looks more useful, or maybe blowing it up and starting over with a 25 year old all star makes more sense...

We'll see how it plays out. That's the theory though, not that teams are going to suddenly forget he doesn't shoot jump shots or how he's acted recently.

[bebopdeluxe]

They could have gotten a pretty damn good return for that player this summer. They didn't, though. Morey got greedy and now he's **** out of luck.

What trade was available that the 76ers passed up for Ben Simmons this summer?

Best I saw was Brodgon and a first, which is worse than the CJ, Simons or Little and a first offer that Woj or whoever reported this week. I guess we're not sure if that's literally on the table today but I didn't see anyone connected to the league say the Blazers would never do that.

As I said at the time, the concern trolling about Simmons' trade value during the preseason and the beginning of the year was backwards. Morey's assumption by waiting is not that other teams are just going to change their mind about Ben Simmons one day, but that some of the other teams are going to change their mind about their own players and players are going to change their mind about their teams.

Every year like 25 teams convince themselves preseason they can be playoff teams as constructed. The thing is, because the rules only allow 16 playoff teams, invariably some of those teams will disappoint. When that happens, like you are already seeing with the Blazers and Pacers, I assume more teams will join them, it forces those teams (and players on those teams) to face the reality that their roster isn't as good as they thought it was. At which point trading for Simmons becomes more attractive to them.

For example, the Blazers convinced themselves this off season that the issue with their defense was Stott's system and Chauncey was going to fix it. Now that they're still getting lit up every night, you may start thinking it is more of a personnel issue, and maybe a DPOY runner up looks more useful, or maybe blowing it up and starting over with a 25 year old all star makes more sense...

We'll see how it plays out. That's the theory though, not that teams are going to suddenly forget he doesn't shoot jump shots or how he's acted recently.

Great post. Agree 100%,

And if Ben is tired of sitting at home eating bon-bons or playing pickup with a bunch of yabos at the local gym, he could choose to HONOR HIS CONTRACT, report to the team, and PLAY. That is the way that Ben can most quickly facilitate the thing he wants, which is a trade.

[Nate505]

So has this wuss still fixed any of his issues, or does he need another five months.

[RiRuHoops]

So has this wuss still fixed any of his issues, or does he need another five months.

he's the best defensive player in the league the moment he steps back on the court, hardly a wuss.

[Sixerscan]

So has this wuss still fixed any of his issues, or does he need another five months.

Pretty sure that soon after he is traded he will decide that whatever legitimate issues he has can be addressed while also performing his job, just like millions of people do every day.

[Nate505]

So has this wuss still fixed any of his issues, or does he need another five months.

he's the best defensive player in the league the moment he steps back on the court, hardly a wuss.

Yet he's not on the court now. He's out pouting and scared to play. Therefore he's a wuss.

[Sixerscan]

nvm misread

[bebopdeluxe]

So has this wuss still fixed any of his issues, or does he need another five months.

Pretty sure that soon after he is traded he will decide that whatever legitimate issues he has can be addressed while also performing his job, just like millions of people do every day.

Post of the thread right here. For a 56 page thread, that says a lot.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

So has this wuss still fixed any of his issues, or does he need another five months.

he's the best defensive player in the league the moment he steps back on the court, hardly a wuss.

I am really wondering where this myth is coming from.
He's lacking the interior an help defense to be that.

[RiRuHoops]

So has this wuss still fixed any of his issues, or does he need another five months.

he's the best defensive player in the league the moment he steps back on the court, hardly a wuss.

Yet he's not on the court now. He's out pouting and scared to play. Therefore he's a wuss.

He's making a stand. Sacrificing money for freedom of player movement. Messiah, not a wuss.

[chrisab123]

I wonder if the Kings can put something together and convince Ben that Northern California is nice too.

[dhsilv2]

So has this wuss still fixed any of his issues, or does he need another five months.

he's the best defensive player in the league the moment he steps back on the court, hardly a wuss.

I am really wondering where this myth is coming from.
He's lacking the interior an help defense to be that.

There's an obsession with on ball wing defenders and it's been going on for decades. I don't get it but it is what it is.

[bebopdeluxe]

he's the best defensive player in the league the moment he steps back on the court, hardly a wuss.

Yet he's not on the court now. He's out pouting and scared to play. Therefore he's a wuss.

He's making a stand. Sacrificing money for freedom of player movement. Messiah, not a wuss.

Only problem is this "messianic" attempt to establish truly unheard-of player movement (with FOUR years left on a MAX extension) will likely result in the majority of players getting screwed when the owners look to lock out the players or establish limits/restrictions on contract length in the next CBA. This is why the NBA PA is remaining on the sidelines - they recognize that this is a jabroni holdout by Ben/Klutch, and if they jump in to support Simmons here, the owners WILL NOT FORGET IT.

[rtiff68]

Yet he's not on the court now. He's out pouting and scared to play. Therefore he's a wuss.

He's making a stand. Sacrificing money for freedom of player movement. Messiah, not a wuss.

Only problem is this "messianic" attempt to establish truly unheard-of player movement (with FOUR years left on a MAX extension) will likely result in the majority of players getting screwed when the owners look to lock out the players or establish limits/restrictions on contract length in the next CBA. This is why the NBA PA is remaining on the sidelines - they recognize that this is a jabroni holdout by Ben/Klutch, and if they jump in to support Simmons here, the owners WILL NOT FORGET IT.

...and this is why I think the NBAPA should be doing more than simply sitting on the sidelines. I completely understand why they wouldn't publicly side with the owners, but I hope they are trying to work with Simmons behind the scenes, because this move is going to potentially have significant ramifications for everyone.

[Trey24]

he's the best defensive player in the league the moment he steps back on the court, hardly a wuss.

Yet he's not on the court now. He's out pouting and scared to play. Therefore he's a wuss.

He's making a stand. Sacrificing money for freedom of player movement. Messiah, not a wuss.

If he wanted to make a stand for "freedom of player movement", why did he sign the longest contract he could have signed instead of signing a 1 year deal?

"Freedom of player movement" again, whatever in the world THAT is, is called free agency. Thats why it is FREE agency. A player, when not under contract with an NBA team, is FREE to sign with whoever they would want that wants them in return.

There is no such thing as "freedom of player movement" in the NBA outside of free agency.

And there shouldn't be. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone forced Ben to sign his max extension.

Ben Simmons is not fighting for "freedom of player movement", he is simply holding out to force the 76ers into trading him to another team for pennies on the dollar.

That is selfish, not honorable.

[Tacoma]

They could have gotten a pretty damn good return for that player this summer. They didn't, though. Morey got greedy and now he's **** out of luck.

What trade was available that the 76ers passed up for Ben Simmons this summer?

Best I saw was Brodgon and a first, which is worse than the CJ, Simons or Little and a first offer that Woj or whoever reported this week. I guess we're not sure if that's literally on the table today but I didn't see anyone connected to the league say the Blazers would never do that.

As I said at the time, the concern trolling about Simmons' trade value during the preseason and the beginning of the year was backwards. Morey's assumption by waiting is not that other teams are just going to change their mind about Ben Simmons one day, but that some of the other teams are going to change their mind about their own players and players are going to change their mind about their teams.

Every year like 25 teams convince themselves preseason they can be playoff teams as constructed. The thing is, because the rules only allow 16 playoff teams, invariably some of those teams will disappoint. When that happens, like you are already seeing with the Blazers and Pacers, I assume more teams will join them, it forces those teams (and players on those teams) to face the reality that their roster isn't as good as they thought it was. At which point trading for Simmons becomes more attractive to them.

For example, the Blazers convinced themselves this off season that the issue with their defense was Stott's system and Chauncey was going to fix it. Now that they're still getting lit up every night, you may start thinking it is more of a personnel issue, and maybe a DPOY runner up looks more useful, or maybe blowing it up and starting over with a 25 year old all star makes more sense...

We'll see how it plays out. That's the theory though, not that teams are going to suddenly forget he doesn't shoot jump shots or how he's acted recently.

The flaw in this theory is it presumes that Simmons and Philly is the only player/team in town to trade with. If/When the Blazers announce Lillard is available, there'll be many teams bidding for him and there will surely be better offers than someone described so eloquently by Nate505 as:

"Yeah, that and because Simmons is a head case who has proven he'll just sit out on a team when his precious feelings are hurt, as he's not cut out to be a professional athlete. And because he's about as unprofessional as it gets. And because he can't shoot. And because he doesn't work on his game...."

Simmons' value today is what it is and won't increase because a real star, for example Lillard, is open to being traded. The only person that can increase Simmons' value is Simmons himself... but that ship has long sailed.

[Cavsfansince84]

So has this wuss still fixed any of his issues, or does he need another five months.

he's the best defensive player since Bill Russell the moment he steps back on the court, hardly a wuss.

There, fify, I don't want to see Simmons' defense getting underrated on here.

[hoosierdaddy34]

he's the best defensive player in the league the moment he steps back on the court, hardly a wuss.

Yet he's not on the court now. He's out pouting and scared to play. Therefore he's a wuss.

He's making a stand. Sacrificing money for freedom of player movement. Messiah, not a wuss.

What are you talking about? He literally could have signed a one year deal like LeBron did for a few years and had the ultimate in player movement. Every player has that option. That’s not what he’s fighting for.