Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

[twix2500]

I'd do Duncan for Kemba or Thad young if they were okay with being on the bench

Kemna is semi done and can't play with Lowry. Gabe > Kemba

Thad is decent but i'd want more for Dunc

Rex, Bishop runs a completely different offensive system then your system. Bishops runs Dan Antonio ball on steroids.

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[Bishop45]

I'd do Duncan for Kemba or Thad young if they were okay with being on the bench

Kemna is semi done and can't play with Lowry. Gabe > Kemba

Thad is decent but i'd want more for Dunc

You're smoking if you actually believe any of those statements

[Bishop45]

I'd do Duncan for Kemba or Thad young if they were okay with being on the bench

Kemna is semi done and can't play with Lowry. Gabe > Kemba

Thad is decent but i'd want more for Dunc

Rex, Bishop runs a completely different offensive system then your system. Bishops runs Dan Antonio ball on steroids.

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If you mean that I'd rather count on one players offense, instead of the sporadic and sometimes non-existent offense and defense of Duncan, then yes.

I'd start Strus and play Kemba off the bench

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Would you do a Robinson for Marcus Morris straight up?

Add the better twin, balance the roster some. He's a better shooter then whiplash Morris

He’s better than Duncan but he’s a ball stopper. Tough decision tbh

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Hell I’ll take Kemba off the bench.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

30 games in, 18-12

Only 3 rotation players in the negative although Robinson is heading upward.

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Player          ORtg DRtg ORtg-DRtg
------          ---- ---- ---------
Jimmy Butler    126  105         21
Dewayne Dedmon  124  104         20
P.J. Tucker     126  109         17
Caleb Martin    117  106         11
Udonis Haslem   116  107          9
Max Strus       118  110          8
Bam Adebayo     111  105          6
Kyle Lowry      112  109          3
Omer Yurtseven  108  105          3
Gabe Vincent    109  109          0
KZ Okpala       108  108          0
Duncan Robinson 106  109         -3
Markieff Morris 104  112         -8
Tyler Herro     101  110         -9
Marcus Garrett  67   107        -40

I wanted to bring this over here. How long until we start discussing Herro possibly being an empty numbers guy? Team apparently sucks when he’s on the floor

[twix2500]

Kemna is semi done and can't play with Lowry. Gabe > Kemba

Thad is decent but i'd want more for Dunc

Rex, Bishop runs a completely different offensive system then your system. Bishops runs Dan Antonio ball on steroids.

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If you mean that I'd rather count on one players offense, instead of the sporadic and sometimes non-existent offense and defense of Duncan, then yes.

I'd start Strus and play Kemba off the bench

No, your ideal offense is to highly rely on high pick n roll offense at the top of the key. You like to primarily base your offense from that point. You have no need for low post play or size or players who primarily get points around the rim.

Rex is more of a traditionalist. Size is very important to Rex.

The Heat are not building their offense around Duncan neither will they ever do with Strus. Come playoff time no team is thriving to the next round based off Strus and Duncan ball handling. This team has their designated ball handlers. Yes the bench players versatility is useful now because all the core players besides Lowry are hurt. It can get is through a few middle of season games. Come playoff time Strus and Duncan will be regulated to off ball spot up shooters.

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[Bishop45]

Rex, Bishop runs a completely different offensive system then your system. Bishops runs Dan Antonio ball on steroids.

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If you mean that I'd rather count on one players offense, instead of the sporadic and sometimes non-existent offense and defense of Duncan, then yes.

I'd start Strus and play Kemba off the bench

No, your ideal offense is to highly rely on high pick n roll offense at the top of the key. You like to primarily base your offense from that point. You have no need for low post play or size or players who primarily get points around the rim.

Rex is more of a traditionalist. Size is very important to Rex.

The Heat are not building their offense around Duncan neither will they ever do with Strus. Come playoff time no team is thriving to the next round based off Strus and Duncan ball handling. This team has their designated ball handlers. Yes the bench players versatility is useful now because all the core players besides Lowry are hurt. It can get is through a few middle of season games. Come playoff time Strus and Duncan will be regulated to off ball spot up shooters.

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None of that has anything to do with what
I originally posted or my response, but ok.

[twix2500]

If you mean that I'd rather count on one players offense, instead of the sporadic and sometimes non-existent offense and defense of Duncan, then yes.

I'd start Strus and play Kemba off the bench

No, your ideal offense is to highly rely on high pick n roll offense at the top of the key. You like to primarily base your offense from that point. You have no need for low post play or size or players who primarily get points around the rim.

Rex is more of a traditionalist. Size is very important to Rex.

The Heat are not building their offense around Duncan neither will they ever do with Strus. Come playoff time no team is thriving to the next round based off Strus and Duncan ball handling. This team has their designated ball handlers. Yes the bench players versatility is useful now because all the core players besides Lowry are hurt. It can get is through a few middle of season games. Come playoff time Strus and Duncan will be regulated to off ball spot up shooters.

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None of that has anything to do with what
I originally posted or my response, but ok.

Actually it does. How a roster is put together will be very different than most in here because of the style of play you desire. You need completely different set of role players than what Rex would need to play his preferred style. Im not degrading your preferred style of play or Rex.



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[Heat3]

Was looking at some coaching stats. Spo is about to move into top 25 all time winningest coaches. He’ll have a better winning percentage than 19 of the people ahead of him on the list.

[twix2500]

Wth is wrong with Jimmy anyways. This reminds me when the Heat got all those random long term injuries to McRoberts, James Johnson, Waiters Dragic and Whiteside. Non of knew how long these players are supposed to be out

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Wth is wrong with Jimmy anyways. This reminds me when the Heat got all those random long term injuries to McRoberts, James Johnson, Waiters Dragic and Whiteside. Non of knew how long these players are supposed to be out

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Injured tailbone, dude could barely walk.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Strus is so much better than Duncan, idk why some on here are in denial when it comes to Duncan. Moving him is the most logical way to add a good piece to this team. With picks attached.

[3ballbomber]

Strus is so much better than Duncan, idk why some on here are in denial when it comes to Duncan. Moving him is the most logical way to add a good piece to this team. With picks attached.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Strus is so much better than Duncan, idk why some on here are in denial when it comes to Duncan. Moving him is the most logical way to add a good piece to this team. With picks attached.

Im sorry man but he’s dog ****. The sooner you realize it the better. We have his replacement locked up for the next 2 years for like $26M less

[3ballbomber]

Strus is so much better than Duncan, idk why some on here are in denial when it comes to Duncan. Moving him is the most logical way to add a good piece to this team. With picks attached.

Im sorry man but he’s dog ****. The sooner you realize it the better. We have his replacement locked up for the next 2 years for like $26M less

[heatwillbeback]

I would assume we sign Potter, especially if Tucker is going to miss any time.

We need an extra big badly right now.

[AirP.]

Strus is so much better than Duncan, idk why some on here are in denial when it comes to Duncan. Moving him is the most logical way to add a good piece to this team. With picks attached.

Spoiler:

Im sorry man but he’s dog ****. The sooner you realize it the better. We have his replacement locked up for the next 2 years for like $26M less

I was 100% fine with Robinson walking and am 100% fine with him being moved for nearly anything that could be helpful but there is another reason why Robinson was signed.

• Spoelstra likes Robinson and I believe has a personal interest in Robinson since he helped shape him from undrafted player to a starter on a title run team.
• The way the FO attacked the summer, trading vs signing for Lowry so they could keep Oladipo's Bird rights (they didn't have to release his cap hold), the only way Miami would have ANY sizeable contracts (players the team isn't building around) to move this season or even this summer was to sign Robinson to a medium sized contract. This allows Miami's FO some wiggle room on a trade (which probably aren't happening till this summer).

This is why I kept saying that this team will be better after this current season. The FO knows the tax is coming with Oladipo (hence staying under it this season) and after he gets paid, he's going to take Robinson's starting spot moving Robinson to the bench and with that, he's not going to be nearly as valuable to the team. This also gives the FO another year to see where is Bam at in his development, gets another year to see what Herro really is and also get a better look at Strus and Vincent as long-term rotation players.

If there isn't a wide margin favorite for the title, maybe Miami makes a move this season with Robinson's contract and an asset or 2 to better their chances, if not maybe they'll just wait till this summer.

Miami's roster is not in its final form yet, it's still being built.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Spoiler:

Im sorry man but he’s dog ****. The sooner you realize it the better. We have his replacement locked up for the next 2 years for like $26M less

I was 100% fine with Robinson walking and am 100% fine with him being moved for nearly anything that could be helpful but there is another reason why Robinson was signed.

• Spoelstra likes Robinson and I believe has a personal interest in Robinson since he helped shape him from undrafted player to a starter on a title run team.
• The way the FO attacked the summer, trading vs signing for Lowry so they could keep Oladipo's Bird rights (they didn't have to release his cap hold), the only way Miami would have ANY sizeable contracts (players the team isn't building around) to move this season or even this summer was to sign Robinson to a medium sized contract. This allows Miami's FO some wiggle room on a trade (which probably aren't happening till this summer).

This is why I kept saying that this team will be better after this current season. The FO knows the tax is coming with Oladipo and after he gets paid, he's starting so Robinson's spot will be on the bench and with that, not that valuable to the team and where is Bam at in his development. Also, Miami gets another year to see what Herro really is and get a better look at Strus and Vincent as long-term rotation players.

If there isn't a wide margin favorite for the title, maybe Miami makes a move this season with Robinson's contract and an asset or 2 to better their chances, if not maybe they'll just wait till this summer.

I agree with this and I’d say they need to go all in. The league is wide open, who knows what random super team could be built this summer and ruin the league (like the Nets if Kyrie wasn’t a weirdo lol). Plus you don’t want to gamble with Lowry and Jimmy getting older. When Jimmy plays, it’s at an MVP level.

[AirP.]

I agree with this and I’d say they need to go all in. The league is wide open, who knows what random super team could be built this summer and ruin the league (like the Nets if Kyrie wasn’t a weirdo lol). Plus you don’t want to gamble with Lowry and Jimmy getting older. When Jimmy plays, it’s at an MVP level.

The league "may" be wide open, Kyrie is coming back at some point, just KD by himself was an inch or 2 from beating the eventual champs and are currently 1st place in the East by a few games. Allowing Brooklyn to get Harden last year was a huge hit to Miami's future chances at making the finals in the next few years, it wasn't just about Miami acquiring Harden, it was stopping Harden from teaming up with KD and Kyrie.

If Miami can put Lowry, Oladipo, Butler, Tucker and Bam as it's starting/closing 5, that's enough defense to give Brooklyn or anyone fits, if you have Robinson in there, there's always a mismatch and a hole in your team defense that you can exploit. You don't want to be climbing out a hole early on vs a team like Brooklyn where they have multiple players who can carry the team offensively by themselves.