2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation

[King4Day]

FLEX From Jersey (@FlexFromJersey) Tweeted:
Based on the info I've received Suns will have options to add a quality player to their rotation without giving up much as a 3rd team in a bigger trade. I'm told they could be the difference maker financially in various deals involving high profile players! Waiting on right deal!

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FLEX From Jersey (@FlexFromJersey) Tweeted:
The Suns are in a very opportunistic position with the Contracts of Dario Saric, Jalen Smith and Abdel Nader. Team's looking for that home run swing involving high profile players could need these contracts to get the deal done. Suns patiently waiting in a position of strength.

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I wonder if Flex realizes that Nader has an interesting contract
1) need his approval for a trade
2) he would lose his bird-rights this summer

Granted, with Payton in the fold, he can be traded so Saric and Payton for Young works now cap wise where the Suns didn't have that minimum level contract this summer - Suns could also send $3m in cash and a 2RP and the Spurs would be financially pretty even with losing the Young salary but getting some money for Saric next season

I think Nader would be OK with it knowing he may have a better chance at playing time elsewhere (when healthy).
His bird rights likely aren't worth anything anyway. He's not getting more than vet min on his next deal

[King4Day]

Has McGee ever had a more impactful season? Perhaps when he came into the league, but over the last 5 or 6 years, I doubt he was ever this important to a team on both ends

[Jdiddy701]

Pretty disappointed to see Robert Sarver in attendance at the Suns game yesterday. We will be stuck with him.


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[RedIndian]

More I think of it, the most likely type of deal we end up doing is something like Stix + a 2nd for Kenrich Williams.

Kenrich is on a very cheap 3 yr/6 million deal which goes on till 2022-23, and would a very nice get for that Torrey Craig role. Smart player, hits the 3 and hustles. Doesn't burden the cap and is a big upgrade on Nader.

I'd also consider waiving Payton and signing Arcidiacono for the 3rd string PG spot. Surprised he isn't on a roster actually. Arcidiacono would fit in well with this group with his Villanova upbringing - hustles and can hit the 3. I'm totally done with Elfrid.

[JDLAW]

FLEX From Jersey (@FlexFromJersey) Tweeted:
Based on the info I've received Suns will have options to add a quality player to their rotation without giving up much as a 3rd team in a bigger trade. I'm told they could be the difference maker financially in various deals involving high profile players! Waiting on right deal!

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FLEX From Jersey (@FlexFromJersey) Tweeted:
The Suns are in a very opportunistic position with the Contracts of Dario Saric, Jalen Smith and Abdel Nader. Team's looking for that home run swing involving high profile players could need these contracts to get the deal done. Suns patiently waiting in a position of strength.

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I wonder if Flex realizes that Nader has an interesting contract
1) need his approval for a trade
2) he would lose his bird-rights this summer

Granted, with Payton in the fold, he can be traded so Saric and Payton for Young works now cap wise where the Suns didn't have that minimum level contract this summer - Suns could also send $3m in cash and a 2RP and the Spurs would be financially pretty even with losing the Young salary but getting some money for Saric next season

How did you come up with this? Was there some break in the chain of his "Bird Rights"? Also don't see that he has any no-trade rights.

[BobbieL]

FLEX From Jersey (@FlexFromJersey) Tweeted:
Based on the info I've received Suns will have options to add a quality player to their rotation without giving up much as a 3rd team in a bigger trade. I'm told they could be the difference maker financially in various deals involving high profile players! Waiting on right deal!

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FLEX From Jersey (@FlexFromJersey) Tweeted:
The Suns are in a very opportunistic position with the Contracts of Dario Saric, Jalen Smith and Abdel Nader. Team's looking for that home run swing involving high profile players could need these contracts to get the deal done. Suns patiently waiting in a position of strength.

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I wonder if Flex realizes that Nader has an interesting contract
1) need his approval for a trade
2) he would lose his bird-rights this summer

Granted, with Payton in the fold, he can be traded so Saric and Payton for Young works now cap wise where the Suns didn't have that minimum level contract this summer - Suns could also send $3m in cash and a 2RP and the Spurs would be financially pretty even with losing the Young salary but getting some money for Saric next season

How did you come up with this? Was there some break in the chain of his "Bird Rights"? Also don't see that he has any no-trade rights.

RealGM Trade Checker

I was messing around with it a week or two ago trying to get to a salary for maybe Levert and it gave this message for Nader.

[Saberestar]

FLEX From Jersey (@FlexFromJersey) Tweeted:
Based on the info I've received Suns will have options to add a quality player to their rotation without giving up much as a 3rd team in a bigger trade. I'm told they could be the difference maker financially in various deals involving high profile players! Waiting on right deal!

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FLEX From Jersey (@FlexFromJersey) Tweeted:
The Suns are in a very opportunistic position with the Contracts of Dario Saric, Jalen Smith and Abdel Nader. Team's looking for that home run swing involving high profile players could need these contracts to get the deal done. Suns patiently waiting in a position of strength.

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I wonder if Flex realizes that Nader has an interesting contract
1) need his approval for a trade
2) he would lose his bird-rights this summer

Granted, with Payton in the fold, he can be traded so Saric and Payton for Young works now cap wise where the Suns didn't have that minimum level contract this summer - Suns could also send $3m in cash and a 2RP and the Spurs would be financially pretty even with losing the Young salary but getting some money for Saric next season

How did you come up with this? Was there some break in the chain of his "Bird Rights"? Also don't see that he has any no-trade rights.

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Yet there is still a handful of players every season who, for one season only, hold veto power over trades because they signed a one-year contract in the offseason with the same team they played for in the previous season. These players are known leaguewide as One-Year Birds. They can still be dealt before the Feb. 10 trade deadline but must give their consent to be included in any deal, because they would forfeit Bird Rights for the 2022 offseason upon switching teams.

[JDLAW]

But he is not a one year player or a one year Bird. He had Bird rights when the Suns traded for him and he signed a 2 year deal using his Bird rights. If he is traded his Bird Rights go with him and remain intact.

[bwgood77]

for the love of god, people still following that fraud?

Yeah, with the new waves and lots of people dying, they are concerned.

I think he's talking about Flex. Unless people are concerned for their lives when Flex tweets lol

Oh, makes more sense. I was thinking "well, over 800K have died (probably a lot more) just in the U.S. alone.

I only post about Flex as a joke.

[bwgood77]

This team is ridiculously good. Favorites to win it all and I don't know who is the closest team after them. Probably the Bucks, but without Lopez they don't scare me as much as last year.

The starting five is legendary, we are gonna remember those five names together for decades.

Book played like he never missed a game. He scored some crazy difficult shots, he is in great shape.

The production at the C position is off the charts. CP3 and Payne are doing a great job feeding them.

Ayton with 15, 15 and 3 blocks in 24 minutes. McGee 19, 7, 1 in just 16 minutes!

Warriors are going to be very difficult when Klay returns. Even without him they are neck and neck with us. We only watch our guys so it's easy to say we are the favorites, but I bet Bucks and Warriors fans are saying the same thing about their teams when they are at full strength.

I'd say Warriors, Utah and Denver along with the Bucks and Nets in the east. Warriors rested their big 3 (well big 4 if you count Klay) and Utah has struggled but was missing Conley and yes, Denver will be much tougher.

Obviously the Clips will be as tough as anyone if Kawhi comes back healthy.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Keith Smith (@KeithSmithNBA) Tweeted:
As of this morning, only 10 NBA teams didn't have a player in the health and safety protocols:

Detroit Pistons
Houston Rockets
Indiana Pacers
New Orleans Pelicans
Oklahoma City Thunder
Phoenix Suns
Portland Trail Blazers
San Antonio Spurs
Utah Jazz
Washington Wizards

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IF the nba has to have another bubble, This time around it should definitely be in Phoenix!!

[Ghost of Kleine]

NBA (@NBA) Tweeted:
With 5️⃣ days until #NBAXMas, take a look at the @Suns top transition teamwork plays from the season so far as the #CoinbaseNBAHolidayCountdown rolls on! https://t.co/PudXeFf4Ug

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[Saberestar]

But he is not a one year player or a one year Bird. He had Bird rights when the Suns traded for him and he signed a 2 year deal using his Bird rights. If he is traded his Bird Rights go with him and remain intact.

Kaminsky and him are included in that list.

The two-year contract that Nader signed last summer has a TO in the second year so probably for that reason is considered a one year deal.

[bigfoot]

But he is not a one year player or a one year Bird. He had Bird rights when the Suns traded for him and he signed a 2 year deal using his Bird rights. If he is traded his Bird Rights go with him and remain intact.

A player (other than a Two-Way Player) with a one-year Contract
(excluding any Option Year) who would be a Qualifying Veteran Free
Agent or an Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent upon completing the
playing services called for under his Contract cannot be traded without the
player’s consent. Should the player consent and be traded, then, for
purposes of determining whether the player is a Qualifying Veteran Free
Agent, Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or Non-Qualifying Veteran
Free Agent at the conclusion of the Contract or any subsequent Contract
between the player and the assignee Team, the player shall be considered
as having changed Teams by means of signing a Contract with the assignee
Team as a Free Agent (and not by means of trade). For clarity, a player’s
right to consent to be traded under this Section 8(b) shall continue
following the initial trade of the player’s Contract and any proposed
subsequent trade of such Contract during the term thereof (not including
any Option Year).

Nader fits because he would have had three years playing for OKC/Suns and was traded by OKC to Suns so he has bird rights and would lose them in a trade. Similarly, Frank has played for the Suns for three years and would lose them in a trade. Both players can refuse trades because they lose bird rights.

McGee and Payton will not have bird rights as this is their first season with the Suns so either could be traded.

[JDLAW]

But he is not a one year player or a one year Bird. He had Bird rights when the Suns traded for him and he signed a 2 year deal using his Bird rights. If he is traded his Bird Rights go with him and remain intact.

Kaminsky and him are included in that list.

The two-year contract that Nader signed last summer has a TO in the second year so probably for that reason is considered a one year deal.

Kaminsky qualifies because he signed a one year deal and completed it and then signed a one year deal for this year. if he completes it, he has "early bird"rights for next year. If he were to be traded he would lose that. Hence the protections. The same is not true for Nader.

[JDLAW]

But he is not a one year player or a one year Bird. He had Bird rights when the Suns traded for him and he signed a 2 year deal using his Bird rights. If he is traded his Bird Rights go with him and remain intact.

A player (other than a Two-Way Player) with a one-year Contract
(excluding any Option Year) who would be a Qualifying Veteran Free
Agent or an Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent upon completing the
playing services called for under his Contract cannot be traded without the
player’s consent. Should the player consent and be traded, then, for
purposes of determining whether the player is a Qualifying Veteran Free
Agent, Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or Non-Qualifying Veteran
Free Agent at the conclusion of the Contract or any subsequent Contract
between the player and the assignee Team, the player shall be considered
as having changed Teams by means of signing a Contract with the assignee
Team as a Free Agent (and not by means of trade). For clarity, a player’s
right to consent to be traded under this Section 8(b) shall continue
following the initial trade of the player’s Contract and any proposed
subsequent trade of such Contract during the term thereof (not including
any Option Year).

Nader fits because he would have had three years playing for OKC/Suns and was traded by OKC to Suns so he has bird rights and would lose them in a trade. Similarly, Frank has played for the Suns for three years and would lose them in a trade. Both players can refuse trades because they lose bird rights.

McGee and Payton will not have bird rights as this is their first season with the Suns so either could be traded.

Partially correct but Nader does NOT lose his bird rights with a trade - No player who has full bird rights loses them with a trade.

[BobbieL]

But he is not a one year player or a one year Bird. He had Bird rights when the Suns traded for him and he signed a 2 year deal using his Bird rights. If he is traded his Bird Rights go with him and remain intact.

A player (other than a Two-Way Player) with a one-year Contract
(excluding any Option Year) who would be a Qualifying Veteran Free
Agent or an Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent upon completing the
playing services called for under his Contract cannot be traded without the
player’s consent. Should the player consent and be traded, then, for
purposes of determining whether the player is a Qualifying Veteran Free
Agent, Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or Non-Qualifying Veteran
Free Agent at the conclusion of the Contract or any subsequent Contract
between the player and the assignee Team, the player shall be considered
as having changed Teams by means of signing a Contract with the assignee
Team as a Free Agent (and not by means of trade). For clarity, a player’s
right to consent to be traded under this Section 8(b) shall continue
following the initial trade of the player’s Contract and any proposed
subsequent trade of such Contract during the term thereof (not including
any Option Year).

Nader fits because he would have had three years playing for OKC/Suns and was traded by OKC to Suns so he has bird rights and would lose them in a trade. Similarly, Frank has played for the Suns for three years and would lose them in a trade. Both players can refuse trades because they lose bird rights.

McGee and Payton will not have bird rights as this is their first season with the Suns so either could be traded.

Partially correct but Nader does NOT lose his bird rights with a trade - No player who has full bird rights loses them with a trade.

Based on your posts over the years, I will trust you over RealGM Trade Machine.

[bwgood77]

But he is not a one year player or a one year Bird. He had Bird rights when the Suns traded for him and he signed a 2 year deal using his Bird rights. If he is traded his Bird Rights go with him and remain intact.

Kaminsky and him are included in that list.

The two-year contract that Nader signed last summer has a TO in the second year so probably for that reason is considered a one year deal.

I do remember that a player with a team option in the second year has to approve a trade because he basically gave a specific team a team option and he would not have done so with another team.

[Ghost of Kleine]

David (@theIVpointplay) Tweeted:
We have a 3P shootout on our hands & the fact Devin Booker currently leads it is HUGE for the Suns. https://t.co/bBcet0dUtp

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[sunskerr]

David (@theIVpointplay) Tweeted:
We have a 3P shootout on our hands & the fact Devin Booker currently leads it is HUGE for the Suns. https://t.co/bBcet0dUtp

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Feel like with this apparent improvement this year he'll be a 3.0+ 3PM guy in a year or two. His improvement from downtown has been absolutely massive for the team, just as massive as most people here were predicting an improved 3 pointer from Devin would be.