Shams: Pacers Moving toward Rebuild; Receptive to Trade Talks

[Topofthekey]

Got a notice that we waived Wanamaker.

Well done team

[JMAC3]

Hey Pacers fans,

Just read through this thread, sounds like you do not think you are far off from turning this thing around.

My outside read on the situation is that if you were to rebuild you might as well go full in.

If season ended today you would pick 7th and that is without even trying to tank...

Lamb (29 yrs) and Warren (28 yrs) on expiring deals are guys who should be able to cash in at deadline for contenders looking for depth like Bulls, Miami or Suns.

Brogdon is 29 years old so does it make sense to keep him through rebuild? He can't be dealt now due to extension but I am sure he would bring some nice younger pieces moving forward. He would make sense as a fit next to someone like Garland or Trae Young. Memphis also has 3 firsts this year if Brogdon was available, seems like a grizzly guy.

Seems like LeVert is just a bad fit and I think there are teams he would be really good on such as Dallas or Atlanta as secondary playmaker next to Young or Doncic for example. Atlanta has a lot a young pieces that wouldn't be bad for rebuilding team with minutes to give. Dallas is a tougher team to make things work especially since Hardaway has sooo many years left on deal.

Turner seems to be gaining lots of interest and Sabonis is a stud being misused. Could you keep one? Yeah but if you go full rebuild why not cash out the assets. Especially with Goga (22) and Jackson (19) as guys who can eat mins as you build around new pieces.

McConnell is probably not movable based on his contract and age, he would be a good vet for younger guys to play with though as he plays the right way.

Duarte, Goga, Jackson, 7th pick isn't a bad kickoff point if you can get multiple firsts back for Turner, Sabonis, Brogdon or LeVert.

I would say you and Portland are both in good spots to rebuild with a few solid expirings and top talent that hasn't been able to put it together.

[Wizop]

Turner seems to be gaining lots of interest and Sabonis is a stud being misused. Could you keep one? Yeah but if you go full rebuild why not cash out the assets.

because we are highly unlikely to make any in season trade that will cause us to win fewer games this year than we would have won had we not made the trade.

there are certainly Pacer fans who think LeVert is a bad fit, but Carlisle has always been very positive about him. if we traded him it would be for a more traditional point guard.

bottom line - most of us think the moving to rebuild story was over sold. we'll listen but we haven't given up on the possibility of Warren playing in January and everything turning around. perhaps that's wishful thinking but isn't that what fans do?

[JMAC3]

Turner seems to be gaining lots of interest and Sabonis is a stud being misused. Could you keep one? Yeah but if you go full rebuild why not cash out the assets.

because we are highly unlikely to make any in season trade that will cause us to win fewer games this year than we would have won had we not made the trade.

there are certainly Pacer fans who think LeVert is a bad fit, but Carlisle has always been very positive about him. if we traded him it would be for a more traditional point guard.

bottom line - most of us think the moving to rebuild story was over sold. we'll listen but we haven't given up on the possibility of Warren playing in January and everything turning around. perhaps that's wishful thinking but isn't that what fans do?

What is the ceiling of this team if Warren plays well though?

[Topofthekey]

there are certainly Pacer fans who think LeVert is a bad fit, but Carlisle has always been very positive about him

If Carlisle doesn't think there's a problem with the way LeVert is playing, then he's part of the problem, unfortunately

[Tom White]

Just read through this thread, sounds like you do not think you are far off from turning this thing around.

You may have mis-read. Most Pacers fans think the team is a good distance away from turning this mess around.

[JMAC3]

Levert and Lamb for Kevin Love makes some sense for both teams. Pacers are about to enter rebuild so having Love bad contract isn't the end of the world and Pacers fans love white players haha. Cavs have an okay first, Spurs 2nd and Rockets 2nd this year to mix and get deal done (not saying you will get all three). Cavs are desperate for guard play after Sexton and Rubio are out for year.

Love contract next year could have value as an expiring as well. Also if they deal Turner or Sabonis then Love can eat some of those minutes along with Goga.

[Scoot McGroot]

Levert and Lamb for Kevin Love makes some sense for both teams. Pacers are about to enter rebuild so having Love bad contract isn't the end of the world and Pacers fans love white players haha. Cavs have an okay first, Spurs 2nd and Rockets 2nd this year to mix and get deal done (not saying you will get all three). Cavs are desperate for guard play after Sexton and Rubio are out for year.

Love contract next year could have value as an expiring as well. Also if they deal Turner or Sabonis then Love can eat some of those minutes along with Goga.

No it doesn’t. It makes Indy older, more expensive, and even more unbalanced, roster wise. Love expires next year? So does Levert. And Lamb expires this year.

And you can get the heck out of here if you’re going to make the whole “Indy fans are racist so they’ll make bad deals just to turn black players into white players” crack. Seriously. We’re beyond done with that.

[JMAC3]

Levert and Lamb for Kevin Love makes some sense for both teams. Pacers are about to enter rebuild so having Love bad contract isn't the end of the world and Pacers fans love white players haha. Cavs have an okay first, Spurs 2nd and Rockets 2nd this year to mix and get deal done (not saying you will get all three). Cavs are desperate for guard play after Sexton and Rubio are out for year.

Love contract next year could have value as an expiring as well. Also if they deal Turner or Sabonis then Love can eat some of those minutes along with Goga.

No it doesn’t. It makes Indy older, more expensive, and even more unbalanced, roster wise. Love expires next year? So does Levert. And Lamb expires this year.

And you can get the heck out of here if you’re going to make the whole “Indy fans are racist so they’ll make bad deals just to turn black players into white players” crack. Seriously. We’re beyond done with that.

Hence the haha after white joke...c'mon man its not that serious. People make same jokes about Utah and Boston lol.

Also, its not about getting Love its about getting a first for a player who doesn't fit timeline in Levert and expiring in Lamb. Yeah you take on Love, but if you're truly rebuilding salary cap isn't going to matter much next few years anyways.

[JMAC3]

Also, this wouldn't be only deal you make. I would assume you might move Warren and one of Sabonis or Turner.

I don't know how much more you think you can get for Levert than a pick in 15-25 range.

[Tom White]

Hence the haha after white joke...c'mon man its not that serious. People make same jokes about Utah and Boston lol.

Your little haha at the end doesn't change anything. It is still a serious subject. Throwing in Utah and Boston certainly does not make it less so.

Scoot was right. You should likely leave while you are darned near ahead.

[JMAC3]

Hence the haha after white joke...c'mon man its not that serious. People make same jokes about Utah and Boston lol.

Your little haha at the end doesn't change anything. It is still a serious subject. Throwing in Utah and Boston certainly does not make it less so.

Scoot was right. You should likely leave while you are darned near ahead.

I wasn't disrespectful, I came here to have a real conversation.

You nitpicking one part of the entire post is weird, considering it has nothing to do with the subject of my post. If you don't have any interest in discussing basketball then yeah I can leave.

[Wizop]

I wasn't disrespectful, I came here to have a real conversation.

unless you have a magic wand that you can wave at Kevin Love and make him 22 and on a rookie contract, suggesting he'd help us is not a serious suggestion.

[JMAC3]

I wasn't disrespectful, I came here to have a real conversation.

unless you have a magic wand that you can wave at Kevin Love and make him 22 and on a rookie contract, suggesting he'd help us is not a serious suggestion.

If you read the post you would get Love plus picks... for a guy who will walk for nothing on a lottery team in Lamb and Caris Levert....

Is Levert worth more than a first?

[Scoot McGroot]

Levert and Lamb for Kevin Love makes some sense for both teams. Pacers are about to enter rebuild so having Love bad contract isn't the end of the world and Pacers fans love white players haha. Cavs have an okay first, Spurs 2nd and Rockets 2nd this year to mix and get deal done (not saying you will get all three). Cavs are desperate for guard play after Sexton and Rubio are out for year.

Love contract next year could have value as an expiring as well. Also if they deal Turner or Sabonis then Love can eat some of those minutes along with Goga.

No it doesn’t. It makes Indy older, more expensive, and even more unbalanced, roster wise. Love expires next year? So does Levert. And Lamb expires this year.

And you can get the heck out of here if you’re going to make the whole “Indy fans are racist so they’ll make bad deals just to turn black players into white players” crack. Seriously. We’re beyond done with that.

Hence the haha after white joke...c'mon man its not that serious. People make same jokes about Utah and Boston lol.

And it’s equally stupid and shouldn’t be tolerated.

“You’re racist so you’ll like this..hahah…lol”

The haha and lol don’t disregard the beginning part. Much like starting a sentence with “I mean no disrespect” doesn’t allow you to be disrespectful.

Also, its not about getting Love its about getting a first for a player who doesn't fit timeline in Levert and expiring in Lamb. Yeah you take on Love, but if you're truly rebuilding salary cap isn't going to matter much next few years anyways.

Then pitch a deal. Don’t sell us on the Levert/Lamb for Love and say “and maybe some picks if you can”. You’re missing the key part.

And a rebuilding team can always use salary cap and should always get paid for disregarding it. There’s value in cap space, even if it’s not in signing top players.

[Scoot McGroot]

Hence the haha after white joke...c'mon man its not that serious. People make same jokes about Utah and Boston lol.

Your little haha at the end doesn't change anything. It is still a serious subject. Throwing in Utah and Boston certainly does not make it less so.

Scoot was right. You should likely leave while you are darned near ahead.

I wasn't disrespectful, I came here to have a real conversation.

You nitpicking one part of the entire post is weird, considering it has nothing to do with the subject of my post. If you don't have any interest in discussing basketball then yeah I can leave.

You were disrespectful. Absolutely. I’d you came here to have a real conversation, you shouldn’t be wildly disrespectful from the outset. If you don’t think you were being disrespectful, you should probably reassess some things about your actions here.

You can’t be disrespectful and then circle back and say “well, ignore my disrespect and debate me”. That’s not how it works.

[Wizop]

If you read the post you would get Love plus picks

It is certainly possible the team will fire Pritchard, but until they do he has turned down offers with picks in favor of offers with players he's seen play in the NBA

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[Wizop]

I wasn't disrespectful, I came here to have a real conversation.

If you didn't intend disrespect, you should apologize. Disrespect is in the eye of the beholder. Defending what you said won't do it. You need to admit error.

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[JMAC3]

No it doesn’t. It makes Indy older, more expensive, and even more unbalanced, roster wise. Love expires next year? So does Levert. And Lamb expires this year.

And you can get the heck out of here if you’re going to make the whole “Indy fans are racist so they’ll make bad deals just to turn black players into white players” crack. Seriously. We’re beyond done with that.

Hence the haha after white joke...c'mon man its not that serious. People make same jokes about Utah and Boston lol.

And it’s equally stupid and shouldn’t be tolerated.

“You’re racist so you’ll like this..hahah…lol”

The haha and lol don’t disregard the beginning part. Much like starting a sentence with “I mean no disrespect” doesn’t allow you to be disrespectful.

Also, its not about getting Love its about getting a first for a player who doesn't fit timeline in Levert and expiring in Lamb. Yeah you take on Love, but if you're truly rebuilding salary cap isn't going to matter much next few years anyways.

Then pitch a deal. Don’t sell us on the Levert/Lamb for Love and say “and maybe some picks if you can”. You’re missing the key part.

And a rebuilding team can always use salary cap and should always get paid for disregarding it. There’s value in cap space, even if it’s not in signing top players.

I'm disrespectful? but you say my post is stupid? Cool you're really handling yourself well from your high horse.

You have totally derailed the topic to point a finger at an innocent joke. Congrats.

I bet you're really fun at parties. Do you also go around the internet correcting grammar on random posts as well?

I am here to talk about basketball not politics or to take anything someone says too serious. You should try it. Far more fun then whatever you are trying to accomplish by beating a dead horse.

[Scoot McGroot]

Hence the haha after white joke...c'mon man its not that serious. People make same jokes about Utah and Boston lol.

And it’s equally stupid and shouldn’t be tolerated.

“You’re racist so you’ll like this..hahah…lol”

The haha and lol don’t disregard the beginning part. Much like starting a sentence with “I mean no disrespect” doesn’t allow you to be disrespectful.

Also, its not about getting Love its about getting a first for a player who doesn't fit timeline in Levert and expiring in Lamb. Yeah you take on Love, but if you're truly rebuilding salary cap isn't going to matter much next few years anyways.

Then pitch a deal. Don’t sell us on the Levert/Lamb for Love and say “and maybe some picks if you can”. You’re missing the key part.

And a rebuilding team can always use salary cap and should always get paid for disregarding it. There’s value in cap space, even if it’s not in signing top players.

I'm disrespectful? but you say my post is stupid? Cool you're really handling yourself well from your high horse.

You have totally derailed the topic to point a finger at an innocent joke. Congrats.

I bet you're really fun at parties. Do you also go around the internet correcting grammar on random posts as well?

I am here to talk about basketball not politics or to take anything someone says too serious. You should try it. Far more fun then whatever you are trying to accomplish by beating a dead horse.

Oh, now you’re just projecting. If you think an accurate response that has absolutely no personal statements in any way is calling your post stupid, I’m not sure you should be posting on forums.

You messed up. You should either step away, or take a look at what you posted, how you were being disrespectful, and how you’re responding to being called out on it. Best of luck.