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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1101 » by stormi » Sun Jan 2, 2022 7:24 pm

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stormi wrote:Kleber+ THJ for Harris? Easy easy deal. Fax that through as fast as possible.

Kleber alone > Harris. And THJ brings scoring in bunches.

Would Dallas allow themselves to get heisted for our garbage after Seth for J Rich?


Eh. I mean, Tobias is definitely significantly overpaid. And his play style hasn't jived with a post centric offense. But I think he's pretty clearly a better basketball player in a vacuum than either of those guys.


Disagree. Kleber is a legit defender and is content standing in the corner which opens up the floor for Jo. He's like a PJ Tucker type that I'd also move Tobias for without hesitation.

Tobias can score more points if you allow him to iso and pound the rock, but it's self harming to the team he's playing on and he can't defend a cone.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1102 » by youngcrev » Sun Jan 2, 2022 7:35 pm

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youngcrev wrote:
stormi wrote:Kleber+ THJ for Harris? Easy easy deal. Fax that through as fast as possible.

Kleber alone > Harris. And THJ brings scoring in bunches.

Would Dallas allow themselves to get heisted for our garbage after Seth for J Rich?


Eh. I mean, Tobias is definitely significantly overpaid. And his play style hasn't jived with a post centric offense. But I think he's pretty clearly a better basketball player in a vacuum than either of those guys.


Disagree. Kleber is a legit defender and is content standing in the corner which opens up the floor for Jo. He's like a PJ Tucker type that I'd also move Tobias for without hesitation.

Tobias can score more points if you allow him to iso and pound the rock, but it's self harming to the team he's playing on and he can't defend a cone.


I think your evaluation is heavily influenced by his salary and the fact that he's under the microscope here if that's the conclusion you've come to.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1103 » by mjkvol » Sun Jan 2, 2022 7:55 pm

youngcrev wrote:
stormi wrote:Kleber+ THJ for Harris? Easy easy deal. Fax that through as fast as possible.

Kleber alone > Harris. And THJ brings scoring in bunches.

Would Dallas allow themselves to get heisted for our garbage after Seth for J Rich?


Eh. I mean, Tobias is definitely significantly overpaid. And his play style hasn't jived with a post centric offense. But I think he's pretty clearly a better basketball player in a vacuum than either of those guys.


If we concede the point can we just do the deal? Please?
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1104 » by youngcrev » Sun Jan 2, 2022 8:12 pm

mjkvol wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
stormi wrote:Kleber+ THJ for Harris? Easy easy deal. Fax that through as fast as possible.

Kleber alone > Harris. And THJ brings scoring in bunches.

Would Dallas allow themselves to get heisted for our garbage after Seth for J Rich?


Eh. I mean, Tobias is definitely significantly overpaid. And his play style hasn't jived with a post centric offense. But I think he's pretty clearly a better basketball player in a vacuum than either of those guys.


If we concede the point can we just do the deal? Please?

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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1105 » by spikeslovechild » Sun Jan 2, 2022 9:37 pm

Christian Wood could probably be had for cheap. He'd be a nice get to either play fulltime at PF (move harris to SF) or come off the bench as a backup C/PF

Something like Thybulle plus Green for Wood works
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1106 » by youngcrev » Sun Jan 2, 2022 9:58 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:Christian Wood could probably be had for cheap. He'd be a nice get to either play fulltime at PF (move harris to SF) or come off the bench as a backup C/PF

Something like Thybulle plus Green for Wood works


Harris/Wood/Embiid doesn't feel like a good idea to me. I think he'd be underutilized and unhappy here.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1107 » by the_process » Sun Jan 2, 2022 10:33 pm

76ciology wrote:Sixers:
John Wall
Jalen Green

Rockets:
Ben Simmons
Tyrese Maxey

Will you buy low on Green and sell high on Maxey?


That should be an instant yes for the Sixers.

No way Houston agrees to it.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1108 » by the_process » Sun Jan 2, 2022 10:46 pm

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76ciology wrote:To get a good return for Tobias.

Find playoff teams who maybe looking to get a max cap space by 2024. As of now, I only see the Mavs.


Dallas also has a few less than ideal locker room types. Tobias and his books raise morale. Team leader! :lol:

For real, though, Dallas is the target for getting rid of Tobias. The other team, if they really don’t care about paying tax, would be Utah.


Harris/Milton for Hardaway Jr./Kleber is the move!


There is a lot of room to add to that deal as well, should it be necessary.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1109 » by youngcrev » Sun Jan 2, 2022 10:53 pm

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76ciology wrote:Sixers:
John Wall
Jalen Green

Rockets:
Ben Simmons
Tyrese Maxey

Will you buy low on Green and sell high on Maxey?


That should be an instant yes for the Sixers.

No way Houston agrees to it.


Has Jalen Green been that good? Or just going off your predraft evaluation? His stats are pretty pedestrian considering the role he's been gifted playing for a bad team, granted he's really young. I just haven't really heard much hype over him and I haven't seen him play.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1110 » by the_process » Sun Jan 2, 2022 11:07 pm

youngcrev wrote:
the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:Sixers:
John Wall
Jalen Green

Rockets:
Ben Simmons
Tyrese Maxey

Will you buy low on Green and sell high on Maxey?


That should be an instant yes for the Sixers.

No way Houston agrees to it.


Has Jalen Green been that good? Or just going off your predraft evaluation? His stats are pretty pedestrian considering the role he's been gifted playing for a bad team, granted he's really young. I just haven't really heard much hype over him and I haven't seen him play.


Primarily going off draft evaluation. He has shown flashes though, and has a ton of room to grow. Maybe most importantly, he will still maintain great value into the summer if the Sixers wanted to flip him again because they didn’t want to wait.

Simmons’ stock is not that great. The most logical inference to draw from all that has transpired so far is that Morey is simply waiting for a team to be forced into a deal. I’d prefer the better chip now as opposed to praying your opponent is dealing from weakness.

Of course, a team like Washington might rather have a pedigreed name player like Simmons as opposed to a kid like Jalen Green. So you can make the argument the other way as well.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1111 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jan 2, 2022 11:22 pm

youngcrev wrote:
the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:Sixers:
John Wall
Jalen Green

Rockets:
Ben Simmons
Tyrese Maxey

Will you buy low on Green and sell high on Maxey?


That should be an instant yes for the Sixers.

No way Houston agrees to it.


Has Jalen Green been that good? Or just going off your predraft evaluation? His stats are pretty pedestrian considering the role he's been gifted playing for a bad team, granted he's really young. I just haven't really heard much hype over him and I haven't seen him play.


Honestly, I don't think it matters how pedestrian he's been in year 1.

He's an elite athlete bomber from three. As soon as exponential growth takes place, he's going to be a 25+ ppg scorer and the exact kind of player that carriers your offense deep in the playoffs.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1112 » by spikeslovechild » Mon Jan 3, 2022 12:33 am

youngcrev wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:Christian Wood could probably be had for cheap. He'd be a nice get to either play fulltime at PF (move harris to SF) or come off the bench as a backup C/PF

Something like Thybulle plus Green for Wood works


Harris/Wood/Embiid doesn't feel like a good idea to me. I think he'd be underutilized and unhappy here.


He would probably be underutilized here but he's not a guy I think the offense has to run through to have value. He is a very good floor spacer and can play good defense.

He would be a good piece next to Embiid and Harris. We also quite frankly need the help. His contract isn't terrible either and he just had a blowup with the coaching staff it seems a perfect time to do a deal furthermore the more talent we surround Embiid with the more leverage we have in any Simmons trade.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1113 » by spikeslovechild » Mon Jan 3, 2022 12:35 am

Kobblehead wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
the_process wrote:
That should be an instant yes for the Sixers.

No way Houston agrees to it.


Has Jalen Green been that good? Or just going off your predraft evaluation? His stats are pretty pedestrian considering the role he's been gifted playing for a bad team, granted he's really young. I just haven't really heard much hype over him and I haven't seen him play.


Honestly, I don't think it matters how pedestrian he's been in year 1.

He's an elite athlete bomber from three. As soon as exponential growth takes place, he's going to be a 25+ ppg scorer and the exact kind of player that carriers your offense deep in the playoffs.


Maybe he will and maybe he won't but that trade will never happen for the very simple reason Green doesn't fit our timeline and Simmons doesn't fit Houstons.
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Post#1114 » by PhillyFan11 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 12:51 am

Sixers- Dame, Levert, Nance, Holiday

Pacers- Ben, Tobi, Bassey, Greg Brown, Ben McLemore

Blazers- Sabonis, Warren, Lamb, Green, Springer

Sixers- Dame, Curry, Levert, Nance, Jo (Maxey, Thybulle, Holliday, Niang, Drummond) + a lot of flexibility to add a 3rd piece to Jo and Dame in the off season

Pacers- Brogdon, Duarte, Ben, Tobi, Turner

Blazers- $32M that expires in the next 2 years + Sabonis and Springer.


Obviously never going to happen, but actually works out salary wise and think it makes at least some sense for all 3…as long as pacers can convince themselves to take Tobi (probably lacks shooting, but that lineup is actually very interesting)
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1115 » by youngcrev » Mon Jan 3, 2022 2:57 am

Kobblehead wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
the_process wrote:
That should be an instant yes for the Sixers.

No way Houston agrees to it.


Has Jalen Green been that good? Or just going off your predraft evaluation? His stats are pretty pedestrian considering the role he's been gifted playing for a bad team, granted he's really young. I just haven't really heard much hype over him and I haven't seen him play.


Honestly, I don't think it matters how pedestrian he's been in year 1.

He's an elite athlete bomber from three. As soon as exponential growth takes place, he's going to be a 25+ ppg scorer and the exact kind of player that carriers your offense deep in the playoffs.


Counting on projected exponential growth feels like where things have gone wrong for us in the first place. Maybe there's good reason to be that confident in him?
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Post#1116 » by 76ciology » Mon Jan 3, 2022 3:05 am

spikeslovechild wrote:Christian Wood could probably be had for cheap. He'd be a nice get to either play fulltime at PF (move harris to SF) or come off the bench as a backup C/PF

Something like Thybulle plus Green for Wood works


I was thinking of the same thing actually. I mean targetting Woods for cheap
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#1117 » by SixthStreet » Mon Jan 3, 2022 5:20 am

You have to find a home for Harris if you acquire Wood. There's no good way to play each of Joel, Harris, and Wood 30+ minutes. Additionally I don't think the Rockets will fire sale him.
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Post#1118 » by 76ciology » Mon Jan 3, 2022 12:20 pm

SixthStreet wrote:You have to find a home for Harris if you acquire Wood. There's no good way to play each of Joel, Harris, and Wood 30+ minutes. Additionally I don't think the Rockets will fire sale him.


I got you fam

Sixers:
Buddy Hield
Christian Wood
- Christian wood is an elite 3pt shooter at the C position. Having Wood and Embiid allows you to play Green or Thybulle at SF, which is what they’re currently doing. Wood can just be like Brolo on offense, spacing the floor for Embiid to operate

Maxey
Seth
Green
Wood
Embiid

Kings:
Tobias Harris
- Hield is playing off the bench, they got someone who can start (they dont have a starting caliber PF) and gets rid of Bagley’s distraction

Fox
Haliburton
Barnes
Tobias
Holmes

Rockets:
Marvin Bagley
Jaden Springer
Paul Reed
- Youth movement
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Post#1119 » by spikeslovechild » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:33 pm

SixthStreet wrote:You have to find a home for Harris if you acquire Wood. There's no good way to play each of Joel, Harris, and Wood 30+ minutes. Additionally I don't think the Rockets will fire sale him.


Ideally you move Harris but you certainly can do so without as well.
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Post#1120 » by PhillyFan11 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 3:44 pm

76ciology wrote:
SixthStreet wrote:You have to find a home for Harris if you acquire Wood. There's no good way to play each of Joel, Harris, and Wood 30+ minutes. Additionally I don't think the Rockets will fire sale him.


I got you fam

Sixers:
Buddy Hield
Christian Wood
- Christian wood is an elite 3pt shooter at the C position. Having Wood and Embiid allows you to play Green or Thybulle at SF, which is what they’re currently doing. Wood can just be like Brolo on offense, spacing the floor for Embiid to operate

Maxey
Seth
Green
Wood
Embiid

Kings:
Tobias Harris
- Hield is playing off the bench, they got someone who can start (they dont have a starting caliber PF) and gets rid of Bagley’s distraction

Fox
Haliburton
Barnes
Tobias
Holmes

Rockets:
Marvin Bagley
Jaden Springer
Paul Reed
- Youth movement


I think Dallas is desperate enough to want Tobi as well. Cuban has to keep Luka happy and winning and they are likely stuck with the Porzingis contract. Adding a bad contract like Tobi might be the only way they can add a good player to their team anytime soon.

A little messier of a trade but…

Sixers- Wood, Eric Gordon, and Cauley-Stein
Gordon’s contract sucks to take on, but it’s nowhere near as bad as Tobi and his 40+% from 3 would be very helpful

Mavs- Tobi and Shake
Mavs make the desperate move for Tobi for only Powell and Kleber out of their rotation. Also get out of the mistake contract they regret giving to Bullock already.

Houston- Powell, Kleber, Knox, House Jr, a bunch of 2 round picks
Salary dump and culture change. Real value is getting rid of Gordon’s contract and setting them up for cap space in 2 years when Wall, Powell, Kleber, and Augustine will be about $75M combined in expirings.


Kicks- Reggie Bullock
Thibs loves Bullock and I think the Knicks would be happy to dump expirings for him

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