2021-2022 Regular Season Game 37: Orlando Magic (7-29) at Boston Celtics (17-19) - 1/2/22 - 6pm ET

thelead · Post #81 » by **thelead** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 2:45 am

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
thelead wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:Even with them, we’re still “almost”.

We weren’t better than this same team with Vuc, Evan, and AG so I’m not sure what you’re expecting in year 1.5 of a rebuild

I never said I expected us to be the same team. I’m saying that even in the beginning of the year when we had more players, we still weren’t winning. We were in many of the games, but we weren’t winning.

EDIT: That “almost winnings” was due to our games from the beginning of the season and not during the Vuc era.

You can't expect anything when you're starting the season while missing almost half the roster (Hariss, Ross were out to start the year along with JI, Fultz, MCW, and Chuma) and starting 2 rookies, a center that has been glued to the bench for his career, and a 2nd year guard that only played 47 games last year. It is what it is right now. Enjoy the ride while the team gets healthy and young guys prove that they belong in the future plans of this team.

Ducklett · Post #82 » by **Ducklett** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 3:05 am

Basketball is a hard sport with no PG.

Post #83 » by **Knightro** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 3:07 am

Ducklett wrote:Basketball is a hard sport with no PG.

They are literally playing two point guards they signed off the street within the last two weeks. One of them wasn't even playing in the G-League and he got 39 minutes tonight.

I'm not sure what people expect to see with this many guys out injured. They're playing hard. It's all you ask for with this many non-NBA caliber guys out there.

KillMonger · Post #84 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 6:09 am

Thoughts on how coach handled things tonight? even though he's been in this league a long time, i still feel he has a bit more to learn....there are issues with the x's and o's....issues with player management and issues with situational coaching awareness as well to me....especially down the stretch

pepe1991 · Post #85 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 7:48 am

Bamba is marginal starter on second worst team in nba. Time passed. Flush the toilet.

pepe1991 · Post #86 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 9:34 am

btw i was told Brown isn't that good couple of weeks ago

drsd · Post #87 » by **drsd** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 9:42 am

Well: Orlando is in power-tank mode now. How this game was lost? It boggles the mind.

drsd · Post #88 » by **drsd** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 9:43 am

ChosenSavior wrote:T. Ross can definitely help a contender.

Harris was also shopping his wares for this game. (Without those two, Orlando losses this game by 20).

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drsd · Post #89 » by **drsd** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 9:45 am

KillMonger wrote:Thoughts on how coach handled things tonight? even though he's been in this league a long time, i still feel he has a bit more to learn....there are issues with the x's and o's....issues with player management and issues with situational coaching awareness as well to me....especially down the stretch

And-1

Coach Mosley is a rookie as well, after all.

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I Rasharted · Post #90 » by **I Rasharted** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 11:12 am

thelead wrote:Keep pumping up that value TRoss. I would like to see a 2023 FRP for him

Skybox · Post #91 » by **Skybox** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:13 pm

Admittedly, I didn't watch the game, so before I lose my s**t...why is RJ getting 11 minutes in an overtime game in a "developmental year" while a bunch of G-league guys are running the league?

Blue_and_Whte · Post #92 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 2:11 pm

KillMonger wrote:Thoughts on how coach handled things tonight? even though he's been in this league a long time, i still feel he has a bit more to learn....there are issues with the x's and o's....issues with player management and issues with situational coaching awareness as well to me....especially down the stretch

All of the above. Leaving TO’s on the table in regulation. Situational awareness issues like not using those timeouts to advance the ball or avoid that jump ball, things like that. But it’s a learning curve for him as well I supposed. Unless they don’t want RJ playing PG there’s really no reason for him to get 12 mins in this game.

JBSouthpaw · Post #93 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 2:53 pm

I would have liked Coach to challenge one of those foul calls late in the 4th Q.
I also was very frustrated with Franz's defense for most of the 4th, effort wasn't there. (until Cs final possession in reg).

paperboymafia · Post #94 » by **paperboymafia** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 4:45 pm

Xatticus wrote:
paperboymafia wrote:I just have trouble watching a guy thats 7 foot not able to back down a single guard and has to kick back out.

I grew up watching guys like that win DPOY while they hobbled up and down the court.

I think the whole Bamba criticism thing has taken on a life of its own. This organization used the number 6 pick on him and then did everything they could to **** up his development. I can't imagine why anyone would expect him to be anything resembling a finished product at this point, but that seems to be the expectation.

Who?

As for the Bamba criticism, sure, it has you're not wrong but the flipside of that is because it's obvious there are issues. Wether it's the Magics fault or Mo's or both is for me at least at this point in time kind of pointless as a debate because looking at the future of this team now I don't know if Bamba should be a part of that for the money/role he may be expecting. We'll see.

JF5 · Post #95 » by **JF5** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 6:09 pm

paperboymafia wrote:
Xatticus wrote:
paperboymafia wrote:I just have trouble watching a guy thats 7 foot not able to back down a single guard and has to kick back out.

I grew up watching guys like that win DPOY while they hobbled up and down the court.

I think the whole Bamba criticism thing has taken on a life of its own. This organization used the number 6 pick on him and then did everything they could to **** up his development. I can't imagine why anyone would expect him to be anything resembling a finished product at this point, but that seems to be the expectation.

Who?

As for the Bamba criticism, sure, it has you're not wrong but the flipside of that is because it's obvious there are issues. Wether it's the Magics fault or Mo's or both is for me at least at this point in time kind of pointless as a debate because looking at the future of this team now I don't know if Bamba should be a part of that for the money/role he may be expecting. We'll see.

You can't fix Awareness/IQ and Stamina/Endurance. On top of that Bamba is only effective if he plays less than 18 minutes a game because of those issues.

Xatticus · Post #96 » by **Xatticus** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 7:09 pm

paperboymafia wrote:
Xatticus wrote:
paperboymafia wrote:I just have trouble watching a guy thats 7 foot not able to back down a single guard and has to kick back out.

I grew up watching guys like that win DPOY while they hobbled up and down the court.

I think the whole Bamba criticism thing has taken on a life of its own. This organization used the number 6 pick on him and then did everything they could to **** up his development. I can't imagine why anyone would expect him to be anything resembling a finished product at this point, but that seems to be the expectation.

Who?

As for the Bamba criticism, sure, it has you're not wrong but the flipside of that is because it's obvious there are issues. Wether it's the Magics fault or Mo's or both is for me at least at this point in time kind of pointless as a debate because looking at the future of this team now I don't know if Bamba should be a part of that for the money/role he may be expecting. We'll see.

I was referring to Mark Eaton and Manute Bol, who were the premier rim protectors in the 80s, but you can lump Mutombo and Ben Wallace into the mix as well.

I'm not arguing that Bamba isn't without his flaws, but the lack of a post game isn't among them. There are only a handful of guys in the NBA that are actually valuable in the post. It is probably useful on a situational basis for many other players when a particular mismatch dictates it, but Bamba's value is as a rim protector. Anything else is just icing on the cake. The mobility, the 3-point shooting, the rebounding, and the finishing around the rim could make him more than just a rim protection specialist, but none of that is really there yet. He is still very much a project with a lot of upside.

I know it seems as though I'm a Bamba apologist, but I'm really not. He has a lot to prove. It's undeniable that he alters a lot of shots any time he is on the floor though. That's an exceptionally valuable skill. We should have more answers than we do at this point, but we are where we are. I'm not making a decision on him until we have to make a decision on him.

drsd · Post #97 » by **drsd** » Mon Jan 3, 2022 9:44 pm

Xatticus wrote:I was referring to ... Manute Bol, who were the premier rim protectors in the 80s, ....

Watch on YouTube

Blue_and_Whte · Post #98 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Fri Jan 7, 2022 11:27 pm

paperboymafia wrote:
Xatticus wrote:
paperboymafia wrote:I just have trouble watching a guy thats 7 foot not able to back down a single guard and has to kick back out.

I grew up watching guys like that win DPOY while they hobbled up and down the court.

I think the whole Bamba criticism thing has taken on a life of its own. This organization used the number 6 pick on him and then did everything they could to **** up his development. I can't imagine why anyone would expect him to be anything resembling a finished product at this point, but that seems to be the expectation.

Who?

As for the Bamba criticism, sure, it has you're not wrong but the flipside of that is because it's obvious there are issues. Wether it's the Magics fault or Mo's or both is for me at least at this point in time kind of pointless as a debate because looking at the future of this team now I don't know if Bamba should be a part of that for the money/role he may be expecting. We'll see.

There’s no excuse for Bamba now. He is what he is.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #99 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:11 pm

drsd wrote:
Xatticus wrote:I was referring to ... Manute Bol, who were the premier rim protectors in the 80s, ....

Watch on YouTube

Omg Jon Koncak…Dude was picked FIFTH!!!

Skybox · Post #100 » by **Skybox** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:11 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
drsd wrote:
Xatticus wrote:Omg Jon Koncak…Dude was picked FIFTH!!!

I thought he was even more famous for some gigantic contract later...poor guy (although I'd happily take that legacy).