2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 4)

TheLand13 · Post #761 » by **TheLand13** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:19 am

Jurassic_Park wrote:Is Mobley the front runner for the award?

Pretty much. It’s his award to lose at this point, which is crazy to think about considering how insane this draft class has been so far.

PlatinumState · Post #762 » by **PlatinumState** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:41 am

I think Jalen will be ok but never a all star. Type that gives you 30 one night shooting 8/12 then the next 5 games averages 12 points shooting 30%. Definitely not someone to build your franchise around
They couldve drafted Mobley, Barnes, Giddey or Wagner....even Kuminga might be a more useful player in a couple years

El Chivo · Post #763 » by **El Chivo** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:43 am

PlatinumState wrote:I think Jalen will be ok but never a all star. Type that gives you 30 one night shooting 8/12 then the next 5 games averages 12 points shooting 30%. Dedinitely not someone to build your franchise around

so far he looked like a more jumping Terrence Ross.

orlando_joe · Post #764 » by **orlando_joe** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:17 am

El Chivo wrote:
PlatinumState wrote:I think Jalen will be ok but never a all star. Type that gives you 30 one night shooting 8/12 then the next 5 games averages 12 points shooting 30%. Dedinitely not someone to build your franchise around

so far he looked like a more jumping Terrence Ross.

hey now ross won a dunk contest he can jump...lol

PD28 · Post #765 » by **PD28** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:15 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:
orlando_joe wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
But i just showed how your criticism was unfounded. Barnes' numbers were due to come down once the team got healthy, and lo and behold his scoring is coming down. However, he is clearly contributing in other areas as the numbers bear out.

then why not just show last 5 games including pelicans game?....nevermind i know why

Barnes is playing hurt and the Raptors are finally playing their full lineup and their best players are eating first. But we can forgot all context if you'd like, though I think I know why you'd want to do that too...

Hope they keep that same energy when Suggs comes back.

Kalamazoo317 · Post #766 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:33 pm

TheLand13 wrote:
Jurassic_Park wrote:Is Mobley the front runner for the award?

Pretty much. It’s his award to lose at this point, which is crazy to think about considering how insane this draft class has been so far.

I feel like Cade is grabbing the #2 spot right now, though.

K_chile22 · Post #767 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:54 pm

Green was looking great for a stretch, has two bad games, and now he's ass lol
He's in a horrific position for a young off guard having to play off KPJ going and one mixtape every time he brings the ball up and Silas stopped staggering them for a reason no one can figure out

K_chile22 · Post #768 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:55 pm

PlatinumState wrote:I think Jalen will be ok but never a all star. Type that gives you 30 one night shooting 8/12 then the next 5 games averages 12 points shooting 30%. Definitely not someone to build your franchise around
They couldve drafted Mobley, Barnes, Giddey or Wagner....even Kuminga might be a more useful player in a couple years

He's already averaging 15 on about league average efficiency so that would be quite the drop off to be an inefficient 12 5/6 games.

Vampirate · Post #769 » by **Vampirate** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:06 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:
TheLand13 wrote:
Jurassic_Park wrote:Is Mobley the front runner for the award?

Pretty much. It’s his award to lose at this point, which is crazy to think about considering how insane this draft class has been so far.

I feel like Cade is grabbing the #2 spot right now, though.

Cade's scoring hasn't been consistently good enough yet to enter the top 3.

FG% 37.8 3P% 33.3 in his last 10 games.

Barnes and Wagner have been way, way more consistent over a longer period of time.

Vampirate · Post #770 » by **Vampirate** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:26 pm

K_chile22 wrote:My nuanced take that I'm sure will still have Raps fans calling for my head is that Scottie has been great at a lot of things, very encouraging, and while I'm encouraged by the scoring flashes, I think he was playing well over his head as a scorer early in the year. He's still a great passer and team defender (though imo has a room to grow 1 on 1) but no one goes from being a 0 level scorer in college to a 3 level one in the NBA overnight

He was probably a level 1 scorer in college as he was very good at the rim with his athleticism, height and reach.

I don't think the play earlier was a fluke as he was not scorching hot from 3 or was shooting 90% from the line.

He was pretty much making bread from midrange.

Atm he's still recovering from knee tendinitis.

He's also been put on as more of a facilitator role, i'm not sure if it's due to him still recovering or if it's he's just now officially the 5th option.

He's currently listed as day to day and might sit out today's game against the Suns.

7r5ur · Post #771 » by **7r5ur** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:21 pm

Vampirate wrote:
Kalamazoo317 wrote:
TheLand13 wrote:
Pretty much. It’s his award to lose at this point, which is crazy to think about considering how insane this draft class has been so far.

I feel like Cade is grabbing the #2 spot right now, though.

Cade's scoring hasn't been consistently good enough yet to enter the top 3.

FG% 37.8 3P% 33.3 in his last 10 games.

Barnes and Wagner have been way, way more consistent over a longer period of time.

Huh? His last 10 games: 16.5ppg (41.5% FG, 35.4% 3FG), 5rpg, 7.3apg.

He also shoots a lot more 3's (6.5 attempts per game in that stretch) and creates more of his own offense (60+% unassisted) than those two so naturally his overall percentage will be lower. This is to be expected.

holdenwait · Post #772 » by **holdenwait** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:17 pm

granted only watch highlights vids of him but really like how Cunningham carries himself. seems very composed.

srhcan · Post #773 » by **srhcan** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:05 pm

Barnes is almost out of race. He is injured again plus now his teammates are healthy and playing better so his touches are limited.

The race is now between Mobley and Cade. Mobley has a huge lead.

LoveMyRaps · Post #774 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:25 pm

srhcan wrote:Barnes is almost out of race. He is injured again plus now his teammates are healthy and playing better so his touches are limited.

The race is now between Mobley and Cade. Mobley has a huge lead.

I'm a big Cade fan. But there is reason for anyone to have Cade ahead of Barnes right now. Would love to hear your explanation as to why you have Cade ahead of Barnes.

Mobley has regained the lead but Barnes is still firmly holding that 2nd spot.

OrlMagic05 · Post #775 » by **OrlMagic05** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:30 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
srhcan wrote:Barnes is almost out of race. He is injured again plus now his teammates are healthy and playing better so his touches are limited.

The race is now between Mobley and Cade. Mobley has a huge lead.

I'm a big Cade fan. But there is reason for anyone to have Cade ahead of Barnes right now. Would love to hear your explanation as to why you have Cade ahead of Barnes.

Mobley has regained the lead but Barnes is still firmly holding that 2nd spot.

Come on man.. Barnes is not #2 right now.

LoveMyRaps · Post #776 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:33 pm

OrlMagic05 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
srhcan wrote:Barnes is almost out of race. He is injured again plus now his teammates are healthy and playing better so his touches are limited.

The race is now between Mobley and Cade. Mobley has a huge lead.

I'm a big Cade fan. But there is reason for anyone to have Cade ahead of Barnes right now. Would love to hear your explanation as to why you have Cade ahead of Barnes.

Mobley has regained the lead but Barnes is still firmly holding that 2nd spot.

Come on man.. Barnes is not #2 right now.

Then who is? If you have Wagner #2 right now, I don't have a problem with it. But if two rookies are posting similar numbers at the end of the season, the player on the team with the better record will win. That's how it's always been. This is a league which rewards winning. Orlando is currently on pace for 14 wins.

basketballRob · Post #777 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:41 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
OrlMagic05 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
I'm a big Cade fan. But there is reason for anyone to have Cade ahead of Barnes right now. Would love to hear your explanation as to why you have Cade ahead of Barnes.

Mobley has regained the lead but Barnes is still firmly holding that 2nd spot.

Come on man.. Barnes is not #2 right now.

Then who is? If you have Wagner #2 right now, I don't have a problem with it. But if two rookies are posting similar numbers at the end of the season, the player on the team with the better record will win. That's how it's always been. This is a league which rewards winning. Orlando is currently on pace for 14 wins.

Wagner was #1 in the rookie ladder, I don't think Barnes will pass him this week. Mobley may.

Also, I think the number of games played plays a role in the ROY equation. Wagner is leading in a lot of categories in the total.

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OrlMagic05 · Post #778 » by **OrlMagic05** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:41 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
OrlMagic05 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
I'm a big Cade fan. But there is reason for anyone to have Cade ahead of Barnes right now. Would love to hear your explanation as to why you have Cade ahead of Barnes.

Mobley has regained the lead but Barnes is still firmly holding that 2nd spot.

Come on man.. Barnes is not #2 right now.

Then who is? If you have Wagner #2 right now, I don't have a problem with it. But if two rookies are posting similar numbers at the end of the season, the player on the team with the better record will win. That's how it's always been. This is a league which rewards winning. Orlando is currently on pace for 14 wins.

Winning has nothing to do with ROY. Barnes and Mobley play on better/healthier teams than Wagner. You cant base the award off of wins, because if thats the case players like Ja Morant shouldnt have won ROY(which he clearly shouldve and earned) when you had Kendrick Nunn putting up similar numbers on a team that went to the finals. ROY is strictly based on stats. I think as of today the ranking is

1- Mobley
2- Wagner
3- Cade (based off of his strong numbers as of recently)
4- Barnes
5- Giddy

LoveMyRaps · Post #779 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:54 pm

OrlMagic05 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
OrlMagic05 wrote:
Come on man.. Barnes is not #2 right now.

Then who is? If you have Wagner #2 right now, I don't have a problem with it. But if two rookies are posting similar numbers at the end of the season, the player on the team with the better record will win. That's how it's always been. This is a league which rewards winning. Orlando is currently on pace for 14 wins.

Winning has nothing to do with ROY. Barnes and Mobley play on better/healthier teams than Wagner. You cant base the award off of wins, because if thats the case players like Ja Morant shouldnt have won ROY(which he clearly shouldve and earned) when you had Kendrick Nunn putting up similar numbers on a team that went to the finals. ROY is strictly based on stats. I think as of today the ranking is

1- Mobley
2- Wagner
3- Cade (based off of his strong numbers as of recently)
4- Barnes
5- Giddy

That's not entirely true.

Look at the past winners:
2021 - LaMelo (Hornets: 33-39)
2020 - Morant (Grizzlies: 34-39)
2019 - Doncic (Mavericks: 33-49)
2018 - Simmons (76ers: 52-30)
2017 - Brogdon (Bucks: 42-40)
2016 - KAT (Wolves: 29-53)
2015 - Wiggins (Wolves: 16-66 - However, no other rookie came close to Wiggins statistically (averaged 17ppg on 44% shooting. Mirotic was the runner up and averaged 10ppg on 41% shooting)
2014 - MCW (76ers: 19-63, Runner up was Oladipo/Magic: 23-59, 3rd place was Burke/Jazz: dead last in the WC. Therefore, all 3 finalists were on the 3 worst teams in the league)
2013 - Lillard (Blazers: 33-49)
2012 - Irving (Cavs: 21-45 - However, no other rookie came close to Irving (averaged 19ppg on 47% shooting. Rubio was runner up and averaged 11ppg on 36% shooting)
2011 - Griffin (Clippers: 32-50)

I can keep going on and on. This league has always rewarded winning. The Magic absolutely suck, their record is abysmal & are on pace to finish the season 14-68. Unless Wagner & Cade can pull away significantly from Barnes & Mobley statistically, they won't be able to win the award.

You bring up the Morant/Nunn example. But that doesn't help your case whatsoever. Morant averaged 18ppg/7apg/4rpg on 44/38/78 splits. His team finished 9th in the Western Conference and barely missed out on a playoff spot in a much stronger conference. Nunn averaged 15/3apg/3rpg on 44/35/85 splits. Morant clearly posted the much better numbers and his team was actually competitive.

Again man, I don't have a problem with Wagner being slotted at #2 right now, or heck even #1. But I'm just saying at the end of the season, if these rookies still have similar numbers across the board, team records will be taken into account because this league has always rewarded winning basketball.

7r5ur · Post #780 » by **7r5ur** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:15 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
srhcan wrote:Barnes is almost out of race. He is injured again plus now his teammates are healthy and playing better so his touches are limited.

The race is now between Mobley and Cade. Mobley has a huge lead.

I'm a big Cade fan. But there is reason for anyone to have Cade ahead of Barnes right now. Would love to hear your explanation as to why you have Cade ahead of Barnes.

Mobley has regained the lead but Barnes is still firmly holding that 2nd spot.

1st in points, 4th in rebounds, 2nd in assists, 2nd in steals, 6th in blocks (as a PG/SG), 1st in 3PM. Many instances of him taking over games in clutch situations, etc.

https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-rookie-rankings

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