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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#921 » by Clocian » Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:57 pm

PistolP wrote:From KC today:

"The Bulls are one of several teams linked to Jerami Grant. A package of Williams, Jones Jr. and the protected first-round pick from Portland is the likely asking price for Grant. Multiple league sources said the current leaguewide impression is that Karnišovas values and intends to keep Coby White, whom coach Billy Donovan recently called "a winning player."


https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/will-derrick-jones-jrs-injury-impact-bulls-trade-deadline-plan


Are the Bulls legitimately interested though, or is this a case of a player being "linked" to us because this is what fans have been posting?
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#922 » by Bulls2021 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:06 am

Clocian wrote:
PistolP wrote:From KC today:

"The Bulls are one of several teams linked to Jerami Grant. A package of Williams, Jones Jr. and the protected first-round pick from Portland is the likely asking price for Grant. Multiple league sources said the current leaguewide impression is that Karnišovas values and intends to keep Coby White, whom coach Billy Donovan recently called "a winning player."


https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/will-derrick-jones-jrs-injury-impact-bulls-trade-deadline-plan


Are the Bulls legitimately interested though, or is this a case of a player being "linked" to us because this is what fans have been posting?

I trust KC as much as anybody when it comes to the Bulls
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Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#923 » by StunnerKO » Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:18 am

Torrey Craig
Batum
Morris
Favors
Hunter
Barnes
Olynyk
Boucher
PJ
Clarke
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#924 » by bad knees » Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:24 am

StunnerKO wrote:Torrey Craig
Batum
Morris
Favors
Hunter
Barnes
Olynyk
Boucher
PJ
Clarke
Bates - Diop


Good list. I don’t see Favors as a desired or available option. I would add Kenrich Williams to the list. Also Robert Covington.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#925 » by kodo » Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:32 am

A good barometer is Daniel Theis. We refused to pay $8M to keep him, who is a good defender and above average in athleticism, and we know he looked good next to Vuc covering up for Vuc's defensive weaknesses. Some of these guys are worse than Theis on defense and more expensive than Theis.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#926 » by Jimmy Forums » Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:50 am

This is not a constructive comment because I’ve come to accept he's likely not available, but I would literally trade Pat and that Portland pick for Jarred Vanderbilt.

He’s the next Draymond. He’s a one-man wrecking crew as a rebounder and (not for long) quietly one of the best defenders in the league. And he’s making $4m for the next three seasons. He’s freaking PERFECT for the now and the long term.

If I can’t do this here who am I supposed to say it to? I really wish we could get Vanderbilt on this team :'(
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#927 » by Bulls2021 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:19 am

Jimmy Forums wrote:This is not a constructive comment because I’ve come to accept he's likely not available, but I would literally trade Pat and that Portland pick for Jarred Vanderbilt.

He’s the next Draymond. He’s a one-man wrecking crew as a rebounder and (not for long) quietly one of the best defenders in the league. And he’s making $4m for the next three seasons. He’s freaking PERFECT for the now and the long term.

If I can’t do this here who am I supposed to say it to? I really wish we could get Vanderbilt on this team :'(

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#928 » by Bulls Fan 23 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:20 am

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#929 » by FriedRise » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:43 am

What team even has a PF who can slow down Durant or Giannis - outside of Durant or Giannis?

Not just somebody who's big and athletic (plenty of guys like that in the G-League), but a player who historically has had success slowing those guys down. Like the PF version of Thybulle for our Zach.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#930 » by PistolP » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:54 am

FriedRise wrote:What team even has a PF who can slow down Durant or Giannis - outside of Durant or Giannis?

Not just somebody who's big and athletic (plenty of guys like that in the G-League), but a player who historically has had success slowing those guys down. Like the PF version of Thybulle for our Zach.

https://www.oklahoman.com/article/5621347/jerami-grant-leads-giannis-defense-in-thunders-118-112-win-over-bucks/amp
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#931 » by Bulls2021 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:03 am

PistolP wrote:
FriedRise wrote:What team even has a PF who can slow down Durant or Giannis - outside of Durant or Giannis?

Not just somebody who's big and athletic (plenty of guys like that in the G-League), but a player who historically has had success slowing those guys down. Like the PF version of Thybulle for our Zach.

https://www.oklahoman.com/article/5621347/jerami-grant-leads-giannis-defense-in-thunders-118-112-win-over-bucks/amp

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#932 » by sco » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:07 am

Bulls2021 wrote:
Clocian wrote:


Are the Bulls legitimately interested though, or is this a case of a player being "linked" to us because this is what fans have been posting?

I trust KC as much as anybody when it comes to the Bulls

I'll say this, we need a big 3. Vuc has been playing like number 2.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#933 » by FriedRise » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:08 am

PistolP wrote:
FriedRise wrote:What team even has a PF who can slow down Durant or Giannis - outside of Durant or Giannis?

Not just somebody who's big and athletic (plenty of guys like that in the G-League), but a player who historically has had success slowing those guys down. Like the PF version of Thybulle for our Zach.

https://www.oklahoman.com/article/5621347/jerami-grant-leads-giannis-defense-in-thunders-118-112-win-over-bucks/amp


You know, I won't be surprised AT ALL if we end up with him.

He was drafted by Philly when Eversley was there, then got traded to OKC where he played for Donovan, and then got traded to Denver where AK was Assistant GM. All our decision makers know him.

No, he's not very efficient or a great defender since he's been in Detroit, but then again, who is? I don't think anyone should put that against anybody playing for the worst team in the league. His numbers were much better when he was playing on better teams.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#934 » by bad knees » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:18 am

FriedRise wrote:
PistolP wrote:
FriedRise wrote:What team even has a PF who can slow down Durant or Giannis - outside of Durant or Giannis?

Not just somebody who's big and athletic (plenty of guys like that in the G-League), but a player who historically has had success slowing those guys down. Like the PF version of Thybulle for our Zach.

https://www.oklahoman.com/article/5621347/jerami-grant-leads-giannis-defense-in-thunders-118-112-win-over-bucks/amp


You know, I won't be surprised AT ALL if we end up with him.

He was drafted by Philly when Eversley was there, then got traded to OKC where he played for Donovan, and then got traded to Denver where AK was Assistant GM. All our decision makers know him.

No, he's not very efficient or a great defender since he's been in Detroit, but then again, who is? I don't think anyone should put that against anybody playing for the worst team in the league. His numbers were much better when he was playing on better teams.


Good points about all those connections to Grant - I had not realized that. So long as we can be confident that he is happy to return to being a role player, he'd be great. And he may well be happy to do so - he got paid, got a taste of being the guy on a really bad team, and hopefully has seen that the latter is not all that it's cracked up to be. The best thing for his next contract is to demonstrate that he can be a key contributor to a winner. We provide him with that opportunity.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#935 » by NecessaryEvil » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:18 am

At this point, if Pat Williams, DJJ & Portland's pick gets you Jerami Grant, you have to do it. One is out for the majority of the season, the other is out for the next month and a half. If it's there, get it done


C Vucevic / Bradley
F Grant / McKinnie
F DeRozan / Green
G LaVine / White / Ayo
G Ball / Caruso / Thomas


Still would need to pick up up another buyout guy. That's an NBA Finals level of talent.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#936 » by step » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:36 am

FriedRise wrote:
PistolP wrote:
FriedRise wrote:What team even has a PF who can slow down Durant or Giannis - outside of Durant or Giannis?

Not just somebody who's big and athletic (plenty of guys like that in the G-League), but a player who historically has had success slowing those guys down. Like the PF version of Thybulle for our Zach.

https://www.oklahoman.com/article/5621347/jerami-grant-leads-giannis-defense-in-thunders-118-112-win-over-bucks/amp


You know, I won't be surprised AT ALL if we end up with him.

He was drafted by Philly when Eversley was there, then got traded to OKC where he played for Donovan, and then got traded to Denver where AK was Assistant GM. All our decision makers know him.

No, he's not very efficient or a great defender since he's been in Detroit, but then again, who is? I don't think anyone should put that against anybody playing for the worst team in the league. His numbers were much better when he was playing on better teams.

I agree with the reasoning of your post. However, I would be somewhat surprised... apart from being available, he doesn't really solve our troubles.

His salary ($20M) is a bit too much, we'd have to give up a number of pieces in order to make the trade compliant. Along the lines of DJJ, Coby + more just to get close to making it CBA compliant. Then you have to ask, is he worth that?

Also, there is another financial element in that we're right at the tax threshold for this season. While I don't doubt MR would sign off on paying the tax, it begins the countdown on the repeater tax. I think they're biding their time for Zach's extension to kickstart that element... makes more financial sense.

Grant I feel doesn't move the needle enough to warrant the pieces we'd need to give up, nor warrant the financial implications yet. I think our front office knows we're more than 1 piece away... and we need more time and experience together as a unit. Unless we're able to somehow trade for a hidden gem on a rookie contract (in exchange for Coby)... I just don't see it currently.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#937 » by prolific passer » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:47 am

FriedRise wrote:What team even has a PF who can slow down Durant or Giannis - outside of Durant or Giannis?

Not just somebody who's big and athletic (plenty of guys like that in the G-League), but a player who historically has had success slowing those guys down. Like the PF version of Thybulle for our Zach.

Well the bulls missed out on Biyombo who they could have had for cheap off the FA market.
We all know bulls2021 wants Grant but who knows what they will have to give up for him.

Who knows what the front office is truly thinking though.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#938 » by panthermark » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:48 am

I'm "meh" on Grant. He would be a horrible rebounder for a PF.
DJJ plus P-Will is enough to get it done, but we would be really close to the tax line since that trade adds about $2.9M in salary. But the big problem is next year....$21M on the books instead of $7.7M.

With that said, if the Bulls want to "go for it" this year and next year, that might be the way to go (or Harrison Barnes).
The end of the 2022-23 season would usher in tons of change.
Ayo, White, Barnes/Grant, Vuc, Bradley, and Greene would all be FA's. A lot of S&T's would need to happen to stay competitive with an aging DD.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#939 » by Bulls2021 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:51 am

step wrote:
FriedRise wrote:


You know, I won't be surprised AT ALL if we end up with him.

He was drafted by Philly when Eversley was there, then got traded to OKC where he played for Donovan, and then got traded to Denver where AK was Assistant GM. All our decision makers know him.

No, he's not very efficient or a great defender since he's been in Detroit, but then again, who is? I don't think anyone should put that against anybody playing for the worst team in the league. His numbers were much better when he was playing on better teams.

I agree with the reasoning of your post. However, I would be somewhat surprised... apart from being available, he doesn't really solve our troubles.

His salary ($20M) is a bit too much, we'd have to give up a number of pieces in order to make the trade compliant. Along the lines of DJJ, Coby + more just to get close to making it CBA compliant. Then you have to ask, is he worth that?

Also, there is another financial element in that we're right at the tax threshold for this season. While I don't doubt MR would sign off on paying the tax, it begins the countdown on the repeater tax. I think they're biding their time for Zach's extension to kickstart that element... makes more financial sense.

Grant I feel doesn't move the needle enough to warrant the pieces we'd need to give up, nor warrant the financial implications yet. I think our front office knows we're more than 1 piece away... and we need more time and experience together as a unit. Unless we're able to somehow trade for a hidden gem on a rookie contract (in exchange for Coby)... I just don't see it currently.

Pat + DJJ works. No need to include Coby.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#940 » by Jimmy Forums » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:44 am

Bulls2021 wrote:
Jimmy Forums wrote:This is not a constructive comment because I’ve come to accept he's likely not available, but I would literally trade Pat and that Portland pick for Jarred Vanderbilt.

He’s the next Draymond. He’s a one-man wrecking crew as a rebounder and (not for long) quietly one of the best defenders in the league. And he’s making $4m for the next three seasons. He’s freaking PERFECT for the now and the long term.

If I can’t do this here who am I supposed to say it to? I really wish we could get Vanderbilt on this team :'(

Is your avatar Ricky Ledo?

The secondary ball handler that would’ve taken all the pressure off D Rose, led the team to the NBA Finals (secondarily)? 6-7 with handles and range? That Ricky Ledo?

Highest body fat in his draft class, couldn’t stay eligible in college or barely high school either? That Ricky Ledo?

Yeah that’s him.

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