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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#941 » by Jimmy Forums » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:55 am

panthermark wrote:I'm "meh" on Grant. He would be a horrible rebounder for a PF.
DJJ plus P-Will is enough to get it done, but we would be really close to the tax line since that trade adds about $2.9M in salary. But the big problem is next year....$21M on the books instead of $7.7M.

With that said, if the Bulls want to "go for it" this year and next year, that might be the way to go (or Harrison Barnes).
The end of the 2022-23 season would usher in tons of change.
Ayo, White, Barnes/Grant, Vuc, Bradley, and Greene would all be FA's. A lot of S&T's would need to happen to stay competitive with an aging DD.

I share your concern about his rebounding..that has never ever been his strong suit, especially for a “power forward.”

That said, he would instantly become the biggest and most athletic body on the team, if we can get him to commit to his role which would include crashing super **** hard, I think we would feel his impact. He’d be there to sky up for some of those loose balls Vuc just taps out to whoever gets it. Not great, but an addition to our efforts for sure.

I’m more encouraged by what he represents defensively. Throughout his entire career he has been a guy to slide over for a helpside block, which in my eyes is exactly what we need behind Vuc. He’s also, as mentioned, a big long athlete who has shown flashes of being formidable as an on-ball defender.

He’s not GREAT in either area, but if he comes here to commit to playing that role and promising to maximize what he CAN do, I think he’s enough. Offensively he fits like a glove.

Not for Coby; but for Pat, DJJ, and Portland’s 1st I would do it.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#942 » by Dan Z » Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:41 am

He's not great, but I wish the Bulls got Bismack Biyombo before the Suns did.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#943 » by StunnerKO » Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:55 am

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#944 » by IamSam » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:20 pm



FaizSports has it narrowed down to Robert Covington.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#945 » by sco » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:22 pm

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panthermark wrote:I'm "meh" on Grant. He would be a horrible rebounder for a PF.
DJJ plus P-Will is enough to get it done, but we would be really close to the tax line since that trade adds about $2.9M in salary. But the big problem is next year....$21M on the books instead of $7.7M.

With that said, if the Bulls want to "go for it" this year and next year, that might be the way to go (or Harrison Barnes).
The end of the 2022-23 season would usher in tons of change.
Ayo, White, Barnes/Grant, Vuc, Bradley, and Greene would all be FA's. A lot of S&T's would need to happen to stay competitive with an aging DD.

I share your concern about his rebounding..that has never ever been his strong suit, especially for a “power forward.”

That said, he would instantly become the biggest and most athletic body on the team, if we can get him to commit to his role which would include crashing super **** hard, I think we would feel his impact. He’d be there to sky up for some of those loose balls Vuc just taps out to whoever gets it. Not great, but an addition to our efforts for sure.

I’m more encouraged by what he represents defensively. Throughout his entire career he has been a guy to slide over for a helpside block, which in my eyes is exactly what we need behind Vuc. He’s also, as mentioned, a big long athlete who has shown flashes of being formidable as an on-ball defender.

He’s not GREAT in either area, but if he comes here to commit to playing that role and promising to maximize what he CAN do, I think he’s enough. Offensively he fits like a glove.

Not for Coby; but for Pat, DJJ, and Portland’s 1st I would do it.

I'm less worried about finding a RBing PF. RBing guys tend to live in the paint. I want a guy who can stick a corner 3, make hustle plays on both ends, and is switchable and guard on the perimeter. What I like about Grant is that he would replace Vuc as our 3rd option scorer and is enough of an offensive weapon to give DD more rest during games...especially during the playoffs. The belief you need to have with him is that he can become more efficient offensively as a 3rd option when he's not seeing double teams.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#946 » by sco » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:24 pm

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#947 » by biggestbullsfan » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:06 pm

The biggest issue with Grant, and I’m not sure who pointed this out, was that he took less money to go be the main dude in Detroit. He would be at best the 3/4 option here. Also with his contract situation, it could be a nightmare for us. Idk if taking that on puts us over the top enough to bring him in at a certain cost. Just my two cents.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#948 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:13 pm

The power forward spot is reminding me a lot of the Keith Bogans shooting guard spot on the Rose Bulls. We just plugged in a role player that wouldn't start on any other teams, and the FO was probably thinking 'hey we're in 1st place, this works", and then in the playoffs when we got manhandled, everyone was thinking 'boy we could have really used some talent at the shooting guard spot'.

I think AK is a lot more forward thinking than GarPax was, so I expect them to do something.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#949 » by leo921 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:18 pm

My realistic rankings to help us
1-Harrison Barnes
2-Grant
3-Covington

Chances of us getting those guys are reversed
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#950 » by BullChit » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:23 pm

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:The power forward spot is reminding me a lot of the Keith Bogans shooting guard spot on the Rose Bulls. We just plugged in a role player that wouldn't start on any other teams, and the FO was probably thinking 'hey we're in 1st place, this works", and then in the playoffs when we got manhandled, everyone was thinking 'boy we could have really used some talent at the shooting guard spot'.

I think AK is a lot more forward thinking than GarPax was, so I expect them to do something.


And the Nets are an amped up version of the Heatles.... And the Bucks are 1000 times better than the Bucks of that time... And the Heat are still good... And philly is much better...

Im starting to get down with the idea of Grant if he can be sold on the role... I dont know though... Personally I will be happy with whatever move AKME makes, but starting to feel like I won't be as happy if they stand pat as I would have been a few weeks ago.

Vuc needs help I know that much is true, just like Zo needs Caruso... Vuc needs his own front court Caruso.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#951 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:25 pm

The one thing I like about Grant is he can still be a long term piece. He's only 27 and is signed through next year as well. A lot of the other pieces being discussed aren't really long term solutions.

This front office and coaching staff know what they have in Pat better than any of us do. So I trust their call on dealing him. I fight tooth and nail to make the deal Coby/TBJ/DJJ/Portland pick and see if that works.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#952 » by bad knees » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:15 pm

Yeah we need another PF, preferably larger than those we currently have. But you don't have to run down Javonte Green to justify the point - he provides a lot of value. The defense looked elite when Green, Caruso and Lonzo were all healthy and raising havoc together. The latest reminder, courtesy of Zach:

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#953 » by DuckIII » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:34 pm

Green is tiny as a factual matter and is filling in admirably at a position he would never normally play on any team with real postseason aspirations. He’s been great. But he’s not good enough. That isn’t running anyone down.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#954 » by PistolP » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:45 pm

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:The power forward spot is reminding me a lot of the Keith Bogans shooting guard spot on the Rose Bulls. We just plugged in a role player that wouldn't start on any other teams, and the FO was probably thinking 'hey we're in 1st place, this works", and then in the playoffs when we got manhandled, everyone was thinking 'boy we could have really used some talent at the shooting guard spot'.

I think AK is a lot more forward thinking than GarPax was, so I expect them to do something.

Oh man, now I’m getting Omer Asik for Courtney Lee flashbacks
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#955 » by Jimmy Forums » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:54 pm

Tried to gather some intel from Pistons fans on Grant, they think pretty highly of him as a defender.

zeebneeb wrote:Grant is actually a very good defender, and can switch from the 4, all the way to the 1 quite well. He has averaged over a block a game for the past two seasons, and has a great knack for the weakside block, and chasedown block.

He is not a great rebounder, but is absolutely capable.

Grant also gets to the line over 6 times a game as well, and can absolutely get you a bucket going one on one, no problem. Good iso player.

I honestly feel that he would fit the Bulls perfectly. Allowing for a very dynamic offense, but more importantly a really good defense, especially when paired with Ball, and Caruso. Smothering.

Hope it can get done, as it's the one deal I think works great for both teams, which is rare.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#956 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:19 pm

biggestbullsfan wrote:The biggest issue with Grant, and I’m not sure who pointed this out, was that he took less money to go be the main dude in Detroit. He would be at best the 3/4 option here. Also with his contract situation, it could be a nightmare for us. Idk if taking that on puts us over the top enough to bring him in at a certain cost. Just my two cents.


While true, I would imagine Detroit would have the discussion with Grant prior to trading. If the trade happens, I would assume Grant has given his ok on it.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#957 » by kodo » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:54 pm

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Chicago-Bull-E wrote:The power forward spot is reminding me a lot of the Keith Bogans shooting guard spot on the Rose Bulls. We just plugged in a role player that wouldn't start on any other teams, and the FO was probably thinking 'hey we're in 1st place, this works", and then in the playoffs when we got manhandled, everyone was thinking 'boy we could have really used some talent at the shooting guard spot'.

I think AK is a lot more forward thinking than GarPax was, so I expect them to do something.

Oh man, now I’m getting Omer Asik for Courtney Lee flashbacks


Well the situation is quite different, the Bulls management did get a SG who started for a 60 win team, Korver. Thibs just refused to play him. In a recent pod Korver talked about how not only did Thibs not start him, he wouldn't even address him by name on the team. He was basically excommunicated from Thibs' inner circle. It's not surprising he was traded for nothing, as he was nothing to Thibs.

On Chicago I don't think there's some secret PF option that Billy isn't utilizing out of stubbornness. Originally DJ, but he became heavily utilized after the season start.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#958 » by HOTCARL_o » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:01 pm

Is there a player that's 6'9 and plays like Javonte Green? Too bad the guy is 6'4, a taller version of him would be perfect.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#959 » by MGB8 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:14 pm

HOTCARL_o wrote:Is there a player that's 6'9 and plays like Javonte Green? Too bad the guy is 6'4, a taller version of him would be perfect.


Herb Jones. Well, 6'8 and long, so close enough.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#960 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:14 pm

sco wrote:https://pippenainteasy.com/2022/01/13/p-j-washington-trade-rumors-involve-chicago-bulls/


PJ is another 6'7 guy.. Undersized PF

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