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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1021 » by Andi Obst » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:33 pm

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Bulls2021 wrote:I do wonder how much truth there is to that. Uncle Horace could ask him if he would want to be a number 3 option on this playoff team. I still don't think he would say no to that..


Denver offered him the same deal he ended up taking with the Pistons. He took a bigger role over being a role player on a contender back then, so I think it’s very plausible he would do that again.

I just can't imagine a competitor wanting to be on a god awful team just so he can be "the man".


I get that, but he’s made that decision before. He either doesn’t prioritize winning a chip and just wants to get as many touches (and as much money) as possible or he actually believes he can be "the guy" for a winning team.

The thing is that I’m not even sure where he’d get to be the number option on offense at this point. It isn’t going to happen in Detroit anymore, that’s for sure.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1022 » by d boy gentleman » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:40 pm

What about Montrezl Harrell?

He wouldn't cost a lot of capital at and would can play 4/5. DJJ for Harrell straight up works. Just saying...
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1023 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:56 pm

d boy gentleman wrote:What about Montrezl Harrell?

He wouldn't cost a lot of capital at and would can play 4/5. DJJ for Harrell straight up works. Just saying...


We need defense at the 4 way more than offense, and Montrezl gives us none.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1024 » by d boy gentleman » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:01 pm

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
d boy gentleman wrote:What about Montrezl Harrell?

He wouldn't cost a lot of capital at and would can play 4/5. DJJ for Harrell straight up works. Just saying...


We need defense at the 4 way more than offense, and Montrezl gives us none.


We also need size at the four which we don't have and he would at least provide.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1025 » by Andi Obst » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:01 pm

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
d boy gentleman wrote:What about Montrezl Harrell?

He wouldn't cost a lot of capital at and would can play 4/5. DJJ for Harrell straight up works. Just saying...


We need defense at the 4 way more than offense, and Montrezl gives us none.


That and he’s 100% a center anyway.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1026 » by Andi Obst » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:03 pm

d boy gentleman wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
d boy gentleman wrote:What about Montrezl Harrell?

He wouldn't cost a lot of capital at and would can play 4/5. DJJ for Harrell straight up works. Just saying...


We need defense at the 4 way more than offense, and Montrezl gives us none.


We also need size at the four which we don't have and he would at least provide.


Adding size just to add size, what’s the point? He’s terrible on defense and generally unplayable next to Vuc.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1027 » by TheSuzerain » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:17 pm

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d boy gentleman wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
We need defense at the 4 way more than offense, and Montrezl gives us none.


We also need size at the four which we don't have and he would at least provide.


Adding size just to add size, what’s the point? He’s terrible on defense and generally unplayable next to Vuc.

The point is that he's a better 5 than Vuc.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1028 » by Andi Obst » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:24 pm

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d boy gentleman wrote:
We also need size at the four which we don't have and he would at least provide.


Adding size just to add size, what’s the point? He’s terrible on defense and generally unplayable next to Vuc.

The point is that he's a better 5 than Vuc.


I don’t think he is, but that doesn’t really matter unless you believe the Bulls are trading Vuc, which I don’t.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1029 » by prolific passer » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:59 pm

I would sign Parker as a bench big. Maybe there is some of his 15 and 6 from his first 5-6 seasons left in him.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1030 » by Jimmy Forums » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:47 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
d boy gentleman wrote:
We also need size at the four which we don't have and he would at least provide.


Adding size just to add size, what’s the point? He’s terrible on defense and generally unplayable next to Vuc.

The point is that he's a better 5 than Vuc.

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1031 » by Pnjguy » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:00 pm

i think a trade of DJJ and a second-round pick for Ibaka makes the most sense. He can start next to Vuc and be great insurance for Vuc to go small.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1032 » by NecessaryEvil » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:14 pm

People have to consider the fact that some teams will have more to offer than us for Grant also.

I don't see AK parting with Pat for him, even if it is the right thing to do. Pat is HIS project pick. Hell, he's project pat :lol:

But also, you bring JG here and now Vooch moves another spot down the pecking order? I don't see it working out
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Post#1033 » by GoBlue72391 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:20 pm

weneeda2guard wrote:At this point I'm getting the feeling akme is simply holding the pf seat warm until Patrick Williams gets back.

And honestly Patrick Williams is who we need at the pf.

I'm not willing to give up bench scoring and depth for a guy to come here and grab 9 rebounds.
The idea of PWill is what we need at PF, but the current iteration is not that.

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1034 » by GoBlue72391 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:26 pm

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PaKii94 wrote:WCS as a waiver signing anyone? I had hopes he'd become a nice defensive center. Haven't seen him play recently. What happened with him?


He’s completely lost on a basketball court. Has the physical tools, but he just doesn’t understand the game. Not the type of guy I expected AK to sign…which is good.
It's not like he would have stiff competition. Tony Bradley is almost unplayable on offense. He reminds me of one of those 90s/2000s bigs who is only in the league because he's big and tall, but completely unskilled.

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1035 » by GoBlue72391 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:30 pm

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1036 » by GoBlue72391 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:31 pm

greenwing wrote:I would rather not trade Williams as I think he has the potential to be a very good player. However, we have maybe a two year window right now before we have to retool around Zach. I think if you can get Sabonis in a package for Williams you have to at least consider it. A healthy Bulls squad with a legit starting power forward will be extremely difficult to beat in the playoffs.
Sabonis and Vuch would be a pretty terrible front court pairing, and our defense, particularly on the perimeter, would be even worse.

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1037 » by GoBlue72391 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:34 pm

prolific passer wrote:I would sign Parker as a bench big. Maybe there is some of his 15 and 6 from his first 5-6 seasons left in him.
Jabari? He's not really a big and he can't defend worth a lick. All he provides is scoring, and not at a particularly high level either.

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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1038 » by GoBlue72391 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:35 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:I'd love to trade for THT as an improving asset for the future, but I don't really see him being all that useful for us this year. The shot just isn't there yet.
No hostility intended, but were you the one suggesting we sign THT to a huge contract in the off-season? Maybe even a max, I don't remember.

My point is it's crazy how quickly a player's value can change in just a few months. I wouldn't want THT unless we blew it up and started rebuilding.

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Post#1039 » by Jimmy Forums » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:37 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:People have to consider the fact that some teams will have more to offer than us for Grant also.

I don't see AK parting with Pat for him, even if it is the right thing to do. Pat is HIS project pick. Hell, he's project pat :lol:

But also, you bring JG here and now Vooch moves another spot down the pecking order? I don't see it working out

IMO that's viewed as a positive, not a negative. I like Vucevic and will defend him more than most on this board, but I concede he'll look a lot better than he has with a little less reliance on him. Rounding out our starting 5 with Lonzo, Grant, and Vuc would take pressure off each one of those guys, nobody would be asking or expecting any of them to be the final piece in some Big 3 or whatever.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#1040 » by weneeda2guard » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:44 pm

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weneeda2guard wrote:At this point I'm getting the feeling akme is simply holding the pf seat warm until Patrick Williams gets back.

And honestly Patrick Williams is who we need at the pf.

I'm not willing to give up bench scoring and depth for a guy to come here and grab 9 rebounds.
The idea of PWill is what we need at PF, but the current iteration is not that.

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Lol it's year 2

What we need from the 4 is

Rebounding
Outside scoring
Good passing from the post
Rim protection
Defensive switches
Being able to step out on shooters
Being able to defend the pick and roll
Getting through screens
Can move his feet on defense
Can defend the back cuts

Patrick Williams checks the boxes on all of that.
Especially based on how Donovan runs his offense. We don't need a pf who will make the ball stick. Only other player who might fit that role is jerami Grant but he not great enough to give up even more assets for especially since we have Patrick Williams here on a rookie deal.
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