Nets @ Wiz | 11.03.2021 @ 7:00 PM on YES

[HardenGoat]

Also have to realize when you have KD in there he takes pressure off others to have to create offense. I hear criticism that this iso offense allows defenses to rest, well it also allows our offense to rest. KD also serves as a primary ball handler albeit limited, but that is still a breather for a player like Harden who basically carried the rock 80% of this game and played the highest minutes. Beal was exhausted too and played 37 minutes but they found some balance using Avdija and Kispert along with Dinwiddie. Cam played a small role, I agree he should be used more to stagger possessions in a primary scoring role, otherwise we need another player especially when Kyrie sits. Mills is more of a spot up shooter. This is what we have to live with being so top heavy. When Durant is back and Kyrie is on the floor we are a different team.

It shouldn't take 3 top 10 players to survive. yeah all 3 obviously is different, but most teams get by with 1 or 0 stars

The glaring reality is we don't really have 3 top 10 players available and we never will as long as one of them continues to let a personal decision impact his basketball life and all the players/coaches/gm's/fans linked to it. I'll let it go from now on, that is my last piece said. I won't blame any one thing, or any one player for that matter, it's just frustrating and it's easy to lash out at one thing. There are holes to fill and every team relies on a little luck in the end, hopefully we get something in the buyout market that helps, or make a positive trade by the deadline. Maybe we get hit with some luck down the road, god knows we are due.

[Prokorov]

Also have to realize when you have KD in there he takes pressure off others to have to create offense. I hear criticism that this iso offense allows defenses to rest, well it also allows our offense to rest. KD also serves as a primary ball handler albeit limited, but that is still a breather for a player like Harden who basically carried the rock 80% of this game and played the highest minutes. Beal was exhausted too and played 37 minutes but they found some balance using Avdija and Kispert along with Dinwiddie. Cam played a small role, I agree he should be used more to stagger possessions in a primary scoring role, otherwise we need another player especially when Kyrie sits. Mills is more of a spot up shooter. This is what we have to live with being so top heavy. When Durant is back and Kyrie is on the floor we are a different team.

It shouldn't take 3 top 10 players to survive. yeah all 3 obviously is different, but most teams get by with 1 or 0 stars

The glaring reality is we don't really have 3 top 10 players available and we never will as long as one of them continues to let a personal decision impact his basketball life and all the players/coaches/gm's/fans linked to it. I'll let it go from now on, that is my last piece said. I won't blame any one thing, or any one player for that matter, it's just frustrating and it's easy to lash out at one thing. There are holes to fill and every team relies on a little luck in the end, hopefully we get something in the buyout market that helps, or make a positive trade by the deadline. Maybe we get hit with some luck down the road, god knows we are due.

Again, most coaches have to get by with 1 or Zero superstars/top 15 players.

The idea that "only" having 1 or 2 available is some tough spot to be in is absurd. You shouldnt need all 3 in order to beat teams without having to ride them 40 minutes

There is no trade, buyout signing that will move the needle much, because the issues people are brining up are symptoms when the root cause is coaching.

Harden led rockets teams won 55+games. Kyrie led boston team won 55+ games.. a KD only led team would sleepwalk to 50 wins. If we had even a halfway decent coach we would be 32-12 right now, in first, with a cushion and stars with less miles on them

[Sharcm1]

Waiting for people to explain to me again how harden is playing well this season after another poor performance. This is a typical game for him. There have been some flashes of super star harden but nothing game in game out. The 8 turn overs. The bad shooting 0/5 from three 7/21 from the field. The slow down offensive. Irving bailed him out this game.

its actually not a typical game from him at all

This game:
18 points
7-21 FG
0-5 3PT
4-5 FT
9 AST
8 REB
8 TO

Average Harden game:
24 points (+5)
7-16 FG (11%)
3-9 3PT (+33%)
7/8 FT (+ 3/+8%)
10 AST (+1)
8 REB (+/- 0)
5 TOV (-3)

So yea, people are probably having a tough time explaining to you why harden is having a well this season because you have this illusion that he plays like he did last night often. When that isnt even remotely true.

I never understood why harden brings the ball up the court so slow. He almost always barely gets it over the line in time. Nets are constantly starting at 16 or 17 seconds left. Then he holds the ball for 10 more seconds and either does a side step three or a contested shot for his teammates. It’s super frustrating and slows down the nets offense. He does it so often the results turn out like this game

Coaching/Nash issue. This is not how Harden has play in the past with D;antoni on the bench

Do you watch the games? Great to throw stats at someone. I watch every game and I see how he plays. Stats don’t mean crap. And even in the stats you post he has 5 turn overs. Lol. His effort is not consistent. And if that’s him being played too many minutes or just his attitude I don’t care. Kd plays more and doesn’t relax his effort. The things I point out are legitimate and won’t reflect in stats. He often plays every slowly. Most of the game when he brings the ball up he does so by just barely getting over the line in time. Then he dribbles for a while before making a play. And this happens usually with less than 10 seconds on the clock. Watch the games. Tell me that’s not happening often. Can you tell me that by his stats

[HardenGoat]

Waiting for people to explain to me again how harden is playing well this season after another poor performance. This is a typical game for him. There have been some flashes of super star harden but nothing game in game out. The 8 turn overs. The bad shooting 0/5 from three 7/21 from the field. The slow down offensive. Irving bailed him out this game.

its actually not a typical game from him at all

This game:
18 points
7-21 FG
0-5 3PT
4-5 FT
9 AST
8 REB
8 TO

Average Harden game:
24 points (+5)
7-16 FG (11%)
3-9 3PT (+33%)
7/8 FT (+ 3/+8%)
10 AST (+1)
8 REB (+/- 0)
5 TOV (-3)

So yea, people are probably having a tough time explaining to you why harden is having a well this season because you have this illusion that he plays like he did last night often. When that isnt even remotely true.

I never understood why harden brings the ball up the court so slow. He almost always barely gets it over the line in time. Nets are constantly starting at 16 or 17 seconds left. Then he holds the ball for 10 more seconds and either does a side step three or a contested shot for his teammates. It’s super frustrating and slows down the nets offense. He does it so often the results turn out like this game

Coaching/Nash issue. This is not how Harden has play in the past with D;antoni on the bench

Do you watch the games? Great to throw stats at someone. I watch every game and I see how he plays. Stats don’t mean crap. And even in the stats you post he has 5 turn overs. Lol. His effort is not consistent. And if that’s him being played too many minutes or just his attitude I don’t care. Kd plays more and doesn’t relax his effort. The things I point out are legitimate and won’t reflect in stats. He often plays every slowly. Most of the game when he brings the ball up he does so by just barely getting over the line in time. Then he dribbles for a while before making a play. And this happens usually with less than 10 seconds on the clock. Watch the games. Tell me that’s not happening often. Can you tell me that by his stats

This actually is how Harden plays, and he has done this in the past. He is notorious for having periods of what is best described as a funk. It usually happens in the regular season at the start and then somewhere near the middle. It can last several games. There were and probably still is a large number of Rocket fans that can't stand him. A lot of them were fans back in the Linsanity years that also followed Yao before that. Their number one complaint was ball movement and despite harden putting up historic numbers he had a cult following of haters. They always wanted more ball movement. I actually believe this stems from Dantoni where you are betting on your iso game in the end beating them. Keeping things slow while you are ahead prevents them from getting into a flow and passing rhythm, it was designed to break down the Warriors system and limit fast break points which was their bread and butter. Drove people mad. Harden is in a funk right now for some reason, I can only imagine why, probably a combination of fatigue factors, but when we get closer to playoffs he will become superman again and this silly trade him talk will end. We need all 3 to win the chip, last I checked Harden was one of them. He will be there. Just pray Durant avoids any setbacks or new injury, or in Kyries case a stroke of luck from the hand of god happens and the mandate lifts.

[Jay555]

Waiting for people to explain to me again how harden is playing well this season after another poor performance. This is a typical game for him. There have been some flashes of super star harden but nothing game in game out. The 8 turn overs. The bad shooting 0/5 from three 7/21 from the field. The slow down offensive. Irving bailed him out this game.

its actually not a typical game from him at all

This game:
18 points
7-21 FG
0-5 3PT
4-5 FT
9 AST
8 REB
8 TO

Average Harden game:
24 points (+5)
7-16 FG (11%)
3-9 3PT (+33%)
7/8 FT (+ 3/+8%)
10 AST (+1)
8 REB (+/- 0)
5 TOV (-3)

So yea, people are probably having a tough time explaining to you why harden is having a well this season because you have this illusion that he plays like he did last night often. When that isnt even remotely true.

I never understood why harden brings the ball up the court so slow. He almost always barely gets it over the line in time. Nets are constantly starting at 16 or 17 seconds left. Then he holds the ball for 10 more seconds and either does a side step three or a contested shot for his teammates. It’s super frustrating and slows down the nets offense. He does it so often the results turn out like this game

Coaching/Nash issue. This is not how Harden has play in the past with D;antoni on the bench

Do you watch the games? Great to throw stats at someone. I watch every game and I see how he plays. Stats don’t mean crap. And even in the stats you post he has 5 turn overs. Lol. His effort is not consistent. And if that’s him being played too many minutes or just his attitude I don’t care. Kd plays more and doesn’t relax his effort. The things I point out are legitimate and won’t reflect in stats. He often plays every slowly. Most of the game when he brings the ball up he does so by just barely getting over the line in time. Then he dribbles for a while before making a play. And this happens usually with less than 10 seconds on the clock. Watch the games. Tell me that’s not happening often. Can you tell me that by his stats

I’d rather him walk up the court and conserve his energy any time he can than him running and gunning which would easily lead to injuries. Dude is big and heavy for the guard position and him playing a fast tempo is not sustainable. We are in a similar situation as last season - KD went down, Ky missed games here and there, Harden was run into the ground resulting in injuries. I donot care about regular season games. I want us to be fully healthy come playoff.

If you can find a way to give him some rest, he would deliver. See what he did when he came back from the covid protocol - 4 consecutive games of 30pts+ triple double. And what he’s like in this current stretch of 7 games in 10 days. Did you see how many 3pts he bricked lately? A rested Harden has a good 3pt% and a fatigued Harden bricks houses. You think Kawhi Leonard without load management could deliver a chip to Toronto? No way. Not everyone is built like Lebron.

I hope Nash and the management know what our ultimate goal is and donot repeat the same mistake again. Regular season games mean **** if we donot win it all.

Give Harden a game off here and there and reduce his minutes!

[Prokorov]

Waiting for people to explain to me again how harden is playing well this season after another poor performance. This is a typical game for him. There have been some flashes of super star harden but nothing game in game out. The 8 turn overs. The bad shooting 0/5 from three 7/21 from the field. The slow down offensive. Irving bailed him out this game.

its actually not a typical game from him at all

This game:
18 points
7-21 FG
0-5 3PT
4-5 FT
9 AST
8 REB
8 TO

Average Harden game:
24 points (+5)
7-16 FG (11%)
3-9 3PT (+33%)
7/8 FT (+ 3/+8%)
10 AST (+1)
8 REB (+/- 0)
5 TOV (-3)

So yea, people are probably having a tough time explaining to you why harden is having a well this season because you have this illusion that he plays like he did last night often. When that isnt even remotely true.

I never understood why harden brings the ball up the court so slow. He almost always barely gets it over the line in time. Nets are constantly starting at 16 or 17 seconds left. Then he holds the ball for 10 more seconds and either does a side step three or a contested shot for his teammates. It’s super frustrating and slows down the nets offense. He does it so often the results turn out like this game

Coaching/Nash issue. This is not how Harden has play in the past with D;antoni on the bench

Do you watch the games? Great to throw stats at someone. I watch every game and I see how he plays. Stats don’t mean crap. And even in the stats you post he has 5 turn overs. Lol. His effort is not consistent. And if that’s him being played too many minutes or just his attitude I don’t care. Kd plays more and doesn’t relax his effort. The things I point out are legitimate and won’t reflect in stats. He often plays every slowly. Most of the game when he brings the ball up he does so by just barely getting over the line in time. Then he dribbles for a while before making a play. And this happens usually with less than 10 seconds on the clock. Watch the games. Tell me that’s not happening often. Can you tell me that by his stats

I watch every game 2-3 times. post in the game threads for each one in depth with my thoughts. that should be clear, ive been doing it for a decade.

Harden has looked very good to great after the first month. whether it was rehab/getting in shape/new rules he struggles early. since then he has been great and on par with last year.

4.8 turnovers is what he has been the past 6 years. 4-5 each year and among the most in the league.

If Nash wasnt holding us back we'd have 5-6 more wins and he'd be in the MVP discussion along with KD. He is asked to do more, for more minutes, with no nights off cause nash cant find a way to score without 4-5 floor spacers at all times.

Hardens effort has been fine, the same/better then last year

[BirdLandAtl2021]

Wizards and NBA fans be mad that Vanderpool touched the ball. Good, screw them. How many calls did Washington get away with tonight as well. The Kuzma pass to himself, Kyrie's shot touching the rim before grabbing the O rebound, and many calls not called in favor of Harden. The refs let this **** go away because they wanted to make up for the other horrid calls. NBA is mad at us, and it feels good for other casual fans to get a taste of what we have been dealt with.

OK OK , I get all that but let's take a look at the real issue. Did your coach just make a simple silly mistake or does he need to be evaluated by your organization

[HardenGoat]

Wizards and NBA fans be mad that Vanderpool touched the ball. Good, screw them. How many calls did Washington get away with tonight as well. The Kuzma pass to himself, Kyrie's shot touching the rim before grabbing the O rebound, and many calls not called in favor of Harden. The refs let this **** go away because they wanted to make up for the other horrid calls. NBA is mad at us, and it feels good for other casual fans to get a taste of what we have been dealt with.

OK OK , I get all that but let's take a look at the real issue. Did your coach just make a simple silly mistake or does he need to be evaluated by your organization

I think it was like a reflex where he thought the ball was going out of bounds.

[TheNetsFan]

Wizards and NBA fans be mad that Vanderpool touched the ball. Good, screw them. How many calls did Washington get away with tonight as well. The Kuzma pass to himself, Kyrie's shot touching the rim before grabbing the O rebound, and many calls not called in favor of Harden. The refs let this **** go away because they wanted to make up for the other horrid calls. NBA is mad at us, and it feels good for other casual fans to get a taste of what we have been dealt with.

OK OK , I get all that but let's take a look at the real issue. Did your coach just make a simple silly mistake or does he need to be evaluated by your organization

I think it was like a reflex where he thought the ball was going out of bounds.

Agreed. He caught sight of the ball late coming out of the corner of his eye and instinct/reflex took over. The problem is how close the benches and fans are to the court. He was standing right in front of the bench without leaning. He shouldn't be able to reach into the court from the bench.

The NBA and teams won't give up a row of Courtside or behind the bench seats though.

[HardenGoat]

Proky posted this and with the win he needs to do the GT against Spurs tonight.