Trade Ideas for This Season

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Re: Trade Ideas for This Season 

Post#101 » by AingesBurner » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:23 am

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babyjax13 wrote:Alright, I'm much more ready to trade Conley. If we can orchestrate a three way to turn him into Grant or Harrison Barnes I'd be down. We have a hard ceiling as long as we are starting two guys under 6-2 because that's just too much size to give up and still have an effective perimeter defense.


Yep but we would need a playmaking 2 because Mitchell is not that guy.


If the Jazz trade out Conley, they could play Mitchell and Ingles together in the backcourt.


Yeah, and Joe seems to play better starting anyways.
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Re: Trade Ideas for This Season 

Post#102 » by SoCalJazzFan » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:07 am

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Yep but we would need a playmaking 2 because Mitchell is not that guy.


If the Jazz trade out Conley, they could play Mitchell and Ingles together in the backcourt.


Yeah, and Joe seems to play better starting anyways.

Food for thought, the Jazz are 1-4 without Conley this season. I understand the height disparity concern, but his offense and steady hand in running the team seem necessary. The unfortunate reality is that our two superstars are flawed.
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Re: Trade Ideas for This Season 

Post#103 » by Catchall » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:01 am

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If the Jazz trade out Conley, they could play Mitchell and Ingles together in the backcourt.


Yeah, and Joe seems to play better starting anyways.

Food for thought, the Jazz are 1-4 without Conley this season. I understand the height disparity concern, but his offense and steady hand in running the team seem necessary. The unfortunate reality is that our two superstars are flawed.


Three of those four losses were simply due to Jordan Clarkson shooting us out of the game--e.g., 3/14 shooting nights. Make no mistake, Clarkson has cost the Jazz wins.
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Post#104 » by Crunch 99 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:08 pm

To shake things up, trade two coaches that are on the hot seat: Quin Snyder for Frank Vogel. :D
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Post#105 » by beyonder » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:43 pm

Conley himself is not a problem. The problem is backcourt that is 6'0/6'1. Name a title contender in the XXI century that had such small guards.
I don't see any other option but to trade Conley (don't get me wrong - he is great but he just can't coexist with Donovan and you are not trading Donovan) and let Donovan be a PG (if Donovan can't be PG it makes the roster construction very hard).
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Post#106 » by SoCalJazzFan » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:51 pm

Here is another possible trade, if Dragic is willing to play for the Celtics (for unkown reasons he isn't in Toronto, but is reportedly practicing in Miami so he seems healthy)- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb995x6u

Toronto- Clarkson and Schroder
Celtics- Dragic
Jazz- Josh Richardson

We'd lose microwave scoring, but also those really bad shooting nights and subpar defense. Josh Richardson isn't the end all be all, but he would probably be on par with Royce, and we could use another player like that.
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Re: Trade Ideas for This Season 

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Re: Trade Ideas for This Season 

Post#108 » by AingesBurner » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:09 am

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Well, if this happens, I called it :lol:
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Post#109 » by kamazilla » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:12 am

Huh .. if the Jazz want future draft capital plus Smart, who could we be sending out? Or maybe this is just the Danny Ainge method– start off with astronomically unreasonable demands, then soften to regular unreasonable demands.
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Post#110 » by AingesBurner » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:19 am

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Also imagine the draft capital is a follow up for Grant.
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Post#111 » by Catchall » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:50 am

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Well, if this happens, I called it :lol:


The reason I think there is some validity to it is because the Jazz are in a funk, they need to make a move, hence Ainge gets involved, and Marcus Smart is one of Ainge's guys. He drafted Smart and stuck by him ever since.
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Re: Trade Ideas for This Season 

Post#112 » by AingesBurner » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:09 am

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GobertReport wrote:
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Well, if this happens, I called it :lol:


The reason I think there is some validity to it is because the Jazz are in a funk, they need to make a move, hence Ainge gets involved, and Marcus Smart is one of Ainge's guys. He drafted Smart and stuck by him ever since.


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Post#113 » by Inigo Montoya » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:56 am

kamazilla wrote:Huh .. if the Jazz want future draft capital plus Smart, who could we be sending out? Or maybe this is just the Danny Ainge method– start off with astronomically unreasonable demands, then soften to regular unreasonable demands.


My guess would be Conley, as they both play the same position, and the Jazz are the ones who want further compensations. We don't have any other players that will command further compensation from the other team (excluding Gobert and Mitchell) for an exchange of players on Smart's level.
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Post#114 » by BleedGreen1989 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:11 pm

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kamazilla wrote:Huh .. if the Jazz want future draft capital plus Smart, who could we be sending out? Or maybe this is just the Danny Ainge method– start off with astronomically unreasonable demands, then soften to regular unreasonable demands.


My guess would be Conley, as they both play the same position, and the Jazz are the ones who want further compensations. We don't have any other players that will command further compensation from the other team (excluding Gobert and Mitchell) for an exchange of players on Smart's level.


Celtics fan here (obviously). I'm along the same thought lines.

Question though, just how bad has Conley's defense become?
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Re: Trade Ideas for This Season 

Post#115 » by Inigo Montoya » Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:49 pm

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kamazilla wrote:Huh .. if the Jazz want future draft capital plus Smart, who could we be sending out? Or maybe this is just the Danny Ainge method– start off with astronomically unreasonable demands, then soften to regular unreasonable demands.


My guess would be Conley, as they both play the same position, and the Jazz are the ones who want further compensations. We don't have any other players that will command further compensation from the other team (excluding Gobert and Mitchell) for an exchange of players on Smart's level.


Celtics fan here (obviously). I'm along the same thought lines.

Question though, just how bad has Conley's defense become?

I haven't watched many games so someone else's opinion on the matter will be more valuable. However, even if his defense is ok, we have a very small back court with him and Mitchell and we need more size and defensive versatility.

For the record, I wouldn't be very enthusiastic about a trade centered around Conley-Smart because Smart, who I like as a player, is not a very good floor general imho. He makes very suspect decisions and he shoots at low percentages. Frankly, if this is the trade we make, we might as well have stuck with Rubio, who makes much better decisions and is also a good defender.
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Re: Trade Ideas for This Season 

Post#116 » by kamazilla » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:42 pm

IMO Conley's defense is more than adequate in the right context. Ironically, he'd look great on D paired up with a guy like Smart in the backcourt.

If this is the deal, I gotta believe the intention is to combine incoming draft assets with Ingles/ Clarkson, maybe O'Neal in another move to bring in a longer, younger, hopefully better 3&D guy. Jazz will absolutely miss Conley's smarts, leadership and shooting. He really helps congeal this team– would do the same for the Celtics, which they really seem to need.
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Post#117 » by bkohler » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:22 pm

I'm not opposed to moving Conley but I'd rather it were in a package to get more long term talent around Don/Rudy. Not sure how Smart fits that but his defense would be welcome. I wish it were for Clarkson + 2nds instead.

I wonder what it would take to pry Lonzo or Caruso away from Chicago, or KCP from the Wiz
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Post#118 » by SoCalJazzFan » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:31 pm

Marcus Smart measured only 6'2" w/o shoes at the combine. He is a dog defender, but vastly overpaid. I wouldn't be thrilled with this trade.
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Re: Trade Ideas for This Season 

Post#119 » by red4hf » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:54 pm

I personally think we need someone who can be a defensive 3/4 more than a "tall" PG........ Too bad Brantley didn't work out......
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Re: Trade Ideas for This Season 

Post#120 » by Gert42 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:17 pm

The problem with trading Conley, (which I don't love, but wouldn't be opposed to), is that I don't think whoever we would get back would make the Jazz better in the next two years.

I feel like our biggest problem is our 3-6 guys (Conley, Bogey, Clarkson, Ingles) have low value for what we need to get back. Clarkson is the youngest at 29. I feel like teams that would want them are more teams trying to "go for it" like us, and those teams will only give up future picks and not win now guys.

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