If It Is To Be Said. So It Be. So It Is. The First Deadline Trade Thread.

[LightTheBeam]

Kings have 2 paths.

The right one - trading the vets for youth and picks. Can't expect a ton, but Buddy is good for winning a few games each year when he gets on fire, so moving him and Barnes should be enough to help us lose a few more games. Could possibly look at moving Holmes to Charlotte for picks/youth as well. Tristan, Len, Harkless to any contender looking for a bench player.

The Wrong path - Trading youth for vets to help us win now. If this is the path they take, then Mitchell could be traded. However, if the Celtics take Williams, Brown, Tatum off the table, what is really left? Richardson has ups and downs, Smart is an upgrade to Mitchell but whats the pt there for the Celtics?

It has to be a trade where its Mitchell + Barnes + picks for a true upgrade. So far it seems Celtics fans would be unwilling to include Brown in that type of a deal. (and I don't blame them)

What's the latest stance on Bagley? Is he perceived still a negative asset to get out of or even anybody to consider extending?

This isn't exactly a blockbuster nor massive needle mover for either, but in my dumb opinion this might be mutually beneficial.

SAC gets:
Horford (2 years)
Richardson (2 years)

BOS gets:
Barnes (2 years)
Bagley (1 year)
Len (1 year) - (optional, salary not required to make the deal work with the other 4. Just using Boston as a dumpster)

Benefit for SAC - get's out of Bagley and potential uncertainty. Gets some decent veteran players who aren't going to get in the way of your young core. Dumps Len's contract for funsies (optional). A "do something" move without sacrificing Mitchell or Haliburton.

Benefit for BOS - Get a friend of Tatum in Barnes. A change of scenery project in Bagley (which could be a dumpster fire). Lowered line for year 2.

Honestly I don't know. Bagleys growth was clearly stunted by injuries and Walton. Since we fired Walton hes played some really good basketball. Playing within the team, not forcing his offense, trying on defense, rebounding, not making bad decisions. I still think hes got a good amount of untapped potential at 22 years old. Barring injuries I have him developing into a low end starter/high end bench big. His dad seems to have been the biggest hinderance, thinking his son is the 2nd coming of Michael Jordan.

I personally would love to resign him for 2 years and give him a chance to truly develop with a good coaching staff. But the bridge may be burnt beyond repair.

I don't really see what the point is for Sac to make that type of a deal. I have Barnes > Richardson, and expirings > Horford. We would be better off even just letting Len/Bagley expire and moving into next year with Barnes, or trading him for youth/picks.

[Larry_Russell]

Buddy is not a good piece at all. Horford is playing better and is a better contract.

Well, Hield is a one trick pony but everyone here seems to be clamoring for shooting and he's cheaper in the long run than someone like Bertans. Yes, Horford is a better player but the deal is also another way to get the Celtics below the tax line.

Yes, I agree.

It is the only reason I would make the deal. Is to save a little money now.

I think I would honestly rather trade Horford for Bertrans knowing that an asset would be attached to the deal from Washington. Ownership takes savings very seriously on every team, imo.

Trading Horford for Buddy would have the Celtics taking on 25 million MORE in salary over the next 2 years
Trading Horford for Bertrans would have the celtics taking on 33 million more in salary over the next 2 years

interesting note about bertrans is he has a 5 million guarantee on his final year (24-25) that is only fully guarantee if he PLAYS in 75% of all games in 23-24.

So as long as coach sits his ass 25% of the games you get out of his contract early. Also could be an interesting trade target for a team looking to shed salary and lose.


IE:
I would trade Horford for Bertrans and Deni

[Curmudgeon]

IE:
I would trade Horford for Bertrans and Deni

Sure. So would everyone else in the world except the Wizards. And Bertans hasn't been playing that well.

[kb02]

Kings have 2 paths.

The right one - trading the vets for youth and picks. Can't expect a ton, but Buddy is good for winning a few games each year when he gets on fire, so moving him and Barnes should be enough to help us lose a few more games. Could possibly look at moving Holmes to Charlotte for picks/youth as well. Tristan, Len, Harkless to any contender looking for a bench player.

The Wrong path - Trading youth for vets to help us win now. If this is the path they take, then Mitchell could be traded. However, if the Celtics take Williams, Brown, Tatum off the table, what is really left? Richardson has ups and downs, Smart is an upgrade to Mitchell but whats the pt there for the Celtics?

It has to be a trade where its Mitchell + Barnes + picks for a true upgrade. So far it seems Celtics fans would be unwilling to include Brown in that type of a deal. (and I don't blame them)

What's the latest stance on Bagley? Is he perceived still a negative asset to get out of or even anybody to consider extending?

This isn't exactly a blockbuster nor massive needle mover for either, but in my dumb opinion this might be mutually beneficial.

SAC gets:
Horford (2 years)
Richardson (2 years)

BOS gets:
Barnes (2 years)
Bagley (1 year)
Len (1 year) - (optional, salary not required to make the deal work with the other 4. Just using Boston as a dumpster)

Benefit for SAC - get's out of Bagley and potential uncertainty. Gets some decent veteran players who aren't going to get in the way of your young core. Dumps Len's contract for funsies (optional). A "do something" move without sacrificing Mitchell or Haliburton.

Benefit for BOS - Get a friend of Tatum in Barnes. A change of scenery project in Bagley (which could be a dumpster fire). Lowered line for year 2.

The Kings don't really get anything out of the return. Bagley is a restricted FA this year and they take on Horford's contract. They will likely want a first for Barnes and some playoff team will pay that.

[Larry_Russell]

IE:
I would trade Horford for Bertrans and Deni

Sure. So would everyone else in the world except the Wizards. And Bertans hasn't been playing that well.

He has been pretty hot garbage.

I would assume that deal would only become available should Grant be acquired making Deni much more expendible and making the Bertrans contract that much worse.

[Curmudgeon]

I think Deni is going to be a star if he can stay healthy. Very efficient player. That's why I do it.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Curmudgeon]

The Kings don't really get anything out of the return. Bagley is a restricted FA this year and they take on Horford's contract. They will likely want a first for Barnes and some playoff team will pay that.

The Lakers' 2027 first rounder is up for grabs.

[kb02]

The Kings don't really get anything out of the return. Bagley is a restricted FA this year and they take on Horford's contract. They will likely want a first for Barnes and some playoff team will pay that.

The Lakers' 2027 first rounder is up for grabs.

I think that's too far off and even then it'll likely be a 20s or later pick given the Lakers' ability to attract talent. Monte, who is a stats dude, would likely value that as a mid second round pick (when looking at it in present value terms, discounted over 5 years). Plus he'd want something sooner to help his tenure. Chance that he's around then is less than 5% at this point (unless his moves absolutely crush this deadline).

[Larry_Russell]

Think with Horford being played all year at PF and him being KATs hero, so to speak, that a potential deal could be made there?

They have a pretty bad cap situation so having Horford for the season to up their defense and be a mentor to KAT while moving off of BEasleys long term salary might be a benefit to them

Stretching Horford over 3 years at 5 mill a year and picking up all team options and renouncing Okogie would have them at about 87 mill in payroll

After their pick that is pretty darn close to 30 million available.(if my lazy math is right)

Russell/McLaughlin
Nowell/Bolmaro
Ant/
McDaniels/Vanderbuilt
KAT/Reid

[CelticFaninLBC]

Think with Horford being played all year at PF and him being KATs hero, so to speak, that a potential deal could be made there?

They have a pretty bad cap situation so having Horford for the season to up their defense and be a mentor to KAT while moving off of BEasleys long term salary might be a benefit to them

Stretching Horford over 3 years at 5 mill a year and picking up all team options and renouncing Okogie would have them at about 87 mill in payroll

After their pick that is pretty darn close to 30 million available.(if my lazy math is right)

Russell/McLaughlin
Nowell/Bolmaro
Ant/
McDaniels/Vanderbuilt
KAT/Reid

What's the benefit to Boston?

[Larry_Russell]

Think with Horford being played all year at PF and him being KATs hero, so to speak, that a potential deal could be made there?

They have a pretty bad cap situation so having Horford for the season to up their defense and be a mentor to KAT while moving off of BEasleys long term salary might be a benefit to them

Stretching Horford over 3 years at 5 mill a year and picking up all team options and renouncing Okogie would have them at about 87 mill in payroll

After their pick that is pretty darn close to 30 million available.(if my lazy math is right)

Russell/McLaughlin
Nowell/Bolmaro
Ant/
McDaniels/Vanderbuilt
KAT/Reid

What's the benefit to Boston?

I would assume the deal would be Beasley and Prince.
the latter is just an expiring, useful, but expiring

Beasley is scoring wing whose contract can be traded in a deal with Richardson and picks for example, in the offseason for someone (say beal, hypothetically)
Beasley, Richardson (exp) Romeo and 2 boston 1sts is a good deal for a 3rd wing producer

HEck maybe its a 3 team deal now with Beasley or Prince going elsewhere.

[Boss66]

It depends what youngsters he wants to bring in. But the answer is not internally. Say if Romeo does develop past jobber status hes not going to be a key guy. Nesmith and Prichard have been very hit and miss. Grant Williams should be moved etc. There's ways to infuse a roster with youth but not go full Sacramento Kings. Ironically enough probably by making a deal with the Kings. Get a Bagley, Hield along with Barnes and you're now adding a potential rotation guy on your team in Bagley. He has that ceiling. Will he ever reach it? Maybe not but he does have more of a chance of hitting it than say anyone else mentioned.

Been looking at Kings fans posts, we dont have enough talent to be able to get any of their guys.

No, dude. What we've been saying is if you want one of the Kings younger players, the only guys that would interest the Kings are Brown and Tatum. It's in response to your biased trade ideas, the latest being a trade that would send Holmes, Buddy, and Mitchell out for Horford, Washtington, and Schroeder. I mean, I get it. Each fan base has outliers. You're the outlier for the Celts fan base.

That he is - i see a trade proposal post from him and i skip to the next post. None are close to being realistic

[Bohemian]

Still waiting for a trade

[Larry_Russell]

Still waiting for a trade

Still waiting on a fresh rumor even.

[Larry_Russell]

Just saw this on Fansided

It is interesting to say the least and gives a talking point for a bit.

Richardson/Pritchard
Brown/Bogdanovic
Tatum/Nesmith
Collins/GrantW
Timelord/Kanter

Interesting lineup.

Would prefer to add Richardson instead of Smart (money works out better for Atlanta) and maybe add another protected pick though

[GoCeltics123]

Just saw this on Fansided

It is interesting to say the least and gives a talking point for a bit.

Richardson/Pritchard
Brown/Bogdanovic
Tatum/Nesmith
Collins/GrantW
Timelord/Kanter

Interesting lineup.

Would prefer to add Richardson instead of Smart (money works out better for Atlanta) and maybe add another protected pick though

I don't think the Hawks would do this

[Celts17Pride]

Just saw this on Fansided

It is interesting to say the least and gives a talking point for a bit.

Richardson/Pritchard
Brown/Bogdanovic
Tatum/Nesmith
Collins/GrantW
Timelord/Kanter

Interesting lineup.

Would prefer to add Richardson instead of Smart (money works out better for Atlanta) and maybe add another protected pick though

I don't think the Hawks would do this

I personally think this is a framework that might work with the Hawks except they would want more. Maybe another young player and draft pick. Add Grant Williams and another first round pick I think it gets real interesting for the Hawks. Not saying I would do that.

[wolves_89]

Think with Horford being played all year at PF and him being KATs hero, so to speak, that a potential deal could be made there?

They have a pretty bad cap situation so having Horford for the season to up their defense and be a mentor to KAT while moving off of BEasleys long term salary might be a benefit to them

Stretching Horford over 3 years at 5 mill a year and picking up all team options and renouncing Okogie would have them at about 87 mill in payroll

After their pick that is pretty darn close to 30 million available.(if my lazy math is right)

Russell/McLaughlin
Nowell/Bolmaro
Ant/
McDaniels/Vanderbuilt
KAT/Reid

I think you can safely cross the Wolves off the list of teams that would have any interest in Horford. Based on statements from the front office, Minnesota is looking to acquire long term pieces, not an old player who has to be payed a large amount to go away after the season.

[keevsnick1]

Think with Horford being played all year at PF and him being KATs hero, so to speak, that a potential deal could be made there?

They have a pretty bad cap situation so having Horford for the season to up their defense and be a mentor to KAT while moving off of BEasleys long term salary might be a benefit to them

Stretching Horford over 3 years at 5 mill a year and picking up all team options and renouncing Okogie would have them at about 87 mill in payroll

After their pick that is pretty darn close to 30 million available.(if my lazy math is right)

Russell/McLaughlin
Nowell/Bolmaro
Ant/
McDaniels/Vanderbuilt
KAT/Reid

What's the benefit to Boston?

I would assume the deal would be Beasley and Prince.
the latter is just an expiring, useful, but expiring

Beasley is scoring wing whose contract can be traded in a deal with Richardson and picks for example, in the offseason for someone (say beal, hypothetically)
Beasley, Richardson (exp) Romeo and 2 boston 1sts is a good deal for a 3rd wing producer

HEck maybe its a 3 team deal now with Beasley or Prince going elsewhere.

There was a podcast a couple weeks ago where Ryan Bernardoni (Celtics cap expert) suggested Horford and Schroder for Beasley and Prince. The idea is it saves you a bunch of money next season because Prince is an expiring. Meanwhile Beasley is having a down year only shooting 35% from three but he's a career 38% shooter, listed at 6'4, and he has next year followed by a club option which is nice to have in case he bounces back and you want to keep him around.