49ers at Packers - 7:15 - FOX

[RiotPunch]

I wish I had the time to psychoanalyze all the **** that you guys somehow manage to.

[RiotPunch]

QAaron is making this breakup real easy for me.

[leroyjw10]

The two biggest problems we saw with Rodgers are:

1) He's clearly lost a bit from where he was in the 2010-2017 period. I don't put any of those playoff failures on him. He did his part. But at the moment, he's clearly not in the league of the guys we saw yesterday.

2) When that snow started and the field got slippery, he looked like he wanted to go home. Feels like the weather is a problem for him. I remember him stinking it up on that polar vortex game against the Cardinals in 2018. He'd do great for a dome club right now.

I'll add a third. He's too reliant on Davante. Davante is a magician on the field, but Rodgers has a severe case of tunnel vision with him out there.

That's actually the biggest issue for the past few years. Part of that is on the Packers not getting him talent. Maybe if we trade up for Jefferson instead of drafting Love it's another story......or maybe Rodgers doesn't trust JJeff and keeps passing to Adams while we all complain about how we drafted a bust of a WR.

I guess we will never know.

I'm done with blaming the other WRs for Rodgers reluctance to even look their way. Rodgers missing a wide open Lazard is a prime example. As great as Davante is, a smart defense can take him away, like the 49ers did after the first possession. But is Rodgers willing/able to look toward others? I don't think he is.

Rodgers has, I believe, historically been pretty darn good when Davante is sidelined, therefore forcing Rodgers to look toward others. For example, last year they were missing Davante against the Saints, but the Packers put up 37 points with Lazard going for 147 yards.

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[M-C-G]

Rodgers has, I believe, historically been pretty darn good when Davante is sidelined, therefore forcing Rodgers to look toward others. For example, last year they were missing Davante against the Saints, but the Packers put up 37 points with Lazard going for 147 yards.

You could hypothesize that Rodgers is more likely to run the actual MLF offense when he can't use Adams as a crutch. I think there is some truth to that, as I seem to recall him getting the ball out of his hands much quicker when Adams isn't around.

Also, Rodgers does a lot of RPO action that I agree, I don't think is actually called by MLF as much as it is a nod and wink between Adams and Rodgers.

I believe when I mentioned that Jordy Nelson wasn't brought back, in particular because Rodgers was doing too much nod and wink with him that he was literally running the Big Mac offense and I have to think that made MLF and Gute furious. I think we are seeing the same behavior here, just with Adams.

Anyway, if he comes back, great, maybe we get one more year of 13-4, it is possible. I can't imagine next years team is as good as this years team, other than a healthy Jaire and maybe Z. But I certainly don't mind letting him go, getting a bunch of picks for him and Adams and rebuilding around a QB that more traditionally runs MLF offense, we run much more, we improve our defense and give a **** about special teams. Yeah it will be different, we won't be as successful, but it feels like it is time. Having the parents stay together for the kids isn't really going to get us to where we want to go.

[stillgotgame]

Dates back to college too (see the USC game). Almost like a "fear of success" mental block (this is a thing). On the cusp of winning, your mind sabotages you, and you press where you shouldn't, or unconsciously go into bad habits you successfully avoided when the pressure was less.

Remember early career Rodgers? Great at tying the game, only to have the defense lose. But when in position for a walk-off win, he failed frequently. Over time, he got much better (increased reps surely), but in the playoffs, you can't really practice or face such situations often (annually at best), so he never got used to overcoming them.

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

This is indeed a thing. I mean, I’m not saying Rodgers does it but addicts self sabotage themselves all the time. They don’t believe they deserve sobriety. It’s deep core of shame. A flawed generational narrative.

Incidentally, that’s a similar profile to someone with narcissistic BPD. They have a deep shame core and over compensate with grandiosity. Over simplifying quite a bit.

I think this fits.

It just seems crazy that he has so many games where the team gets way down, and he leads a furious comeback to get close, but on the last go-ahead drive, he fails. So many examples of having to settle for a FG when a TD would end the game.

And I'd also theorize that his confidence is dependent on the team he'll face. He kind of admitted it this year by saying he owns the Bears. Which means he *knows* he owns the Bears, i.e. he's aware of his dominance, which informs his mental state when playing them, which in turn means that he'll play confidently. And if that's the case, then he knows the 49ers kind of "own" him based on his poor record against them, and so now, he approached the game with an "I don't own you" attitude, which manifested into every uncharacteristic oddity we saw (his ball placement and decisions are never this bad).

Sounds to me like you’re talking about MLF, not Rodgers. Complete meltdown again in the playoffs - horrible decisions on who to play on the offensive line, imagination gone from play calling and total dysfunction on special teams.
Keep blaming Rodgers though if it makes you feel good.

[Iheartfootball]

This is indeed a thing. I mean, I’m not saying Rodgers does it but addicts self sabotage themselves all the time. They don’t believe they deserve sobriety. It’s deep core of shame. A flawed generational narrative.

Incidentally, that’s a similar profile to someone with narcissistic BPD. They have a deep shame core and over compensate with grandiosity. Over simplifying quite a bit.

I think this fits.

It just seems crazy that he has so many games where the team gets way down, and he leads a furious comeback to get close, but on the last go-ahead drive, he fails. So many examples of having to settle for a FG when a TD would end the game.

And I'd also theorize that his confidence is dependent on the team he'll face. He kind of admitted it this year by saying he owns the Bears. Which means he *knows* he owns the Bears, i.e. he's aware of his dominance, which informs his mental state when playing them, which in turn means that he'll play confidently. And if that's the case, then he knows the 49ers kind of "own" him based on his poor record against them, and so now, he approached the game with an "I don't own you" attitude, which manifested into every uncharacteristic oddity we saw (his ball placement and decisions are never this bad).

Sounds to me like you’re talking about MLF, not Rodgers. Complete meltdown again in the playoffs - horrible decisions on who to play on the offensive line, imagination gone from play calling and total dysfunction on special teams.
Keep blaming Rodgers though if it makes you feel good.

I don't think it's binary. Plenty of blame to go around. MLF, Rodgers, Lewis fumble, Jones run before the half, Special Teams. It was a collective effort.

[th87]

This is indeed a thing. I mean, I’m not saying Rodgers does it but addicts self sabotage themselves all the time. They don’t believe they deserve sobriety. It’s deep core of shame. A flawed generational narrative.

Incidentally, that’s a similar profile to someone with narcissistic BPD. They have a deep shame core and over compensate with grandiosity. Over simplifying quite a bit.

I think this fits.

It just seems crazy that he has so many games where the team gets way down, and he leads a furious comeback to get close, but on the last go-ahead drive, he fails. So many examples of having to settle for a FG when a TD would end the game.

And I'd also theorize that his confidence is dependent on the team he'll face. He kind of admitted it this year by saying he owns the Bears. Which means he *knows* he owns the Bears, i.e. he's aware of his dominance, which informs his mental state when playing them, which in turn means that he'll play confidently. And if that's the case, then he knows the 49ers kind of "own" him based on his poor record against them, and so now, he approached the game with an "I don't own you" attitude, which manifested into every uncharacteristic oddity we saw (his ball placement and decisions are never this bad).

Sounds to me like you’re talking about MLF, not Rodgers. Complete meltdown again in the playoffs - horrible decisions on who to play on the offensive line, imagination gone from play calling and total dysfunction on special teams.
Keep blaming Rodgers though if it makes you feel good.

All this predates MLF.

But as Iheartfootball says, yes, MLF was one factor, but the all-22 now shows there were tons of open receivers who Rodgers refused to throw to. So Rodgers was the biggest factor.

And if you look at my posting record, I was all in for Rodgers (besides his health views) throughout the season. But this one was mainly his fault. So now the solution is either bring in WR talent he trusts (not sure how, given the cap situation), or trade him. The current "halfway" approach will just result in repeats of similar results.

[stillgotgame]

I don’t want Rodgers back. I think an old quarterback and playoff games in Green Bay don’t mix. But blaming this loss on him is just putting our heads in the sand. MLF has shown almost nothing to me as a leader. Rodgers mvp caliper regular season play has covered up so many flaws. Only the defense has started to get better, and that was against Jimmy frickin G.
This team is a mess.

[raysbookclub]

I don't think it's binary. Plenty of blame to go around. MLF, Rodgers, Lewis fumble, Jones run before the half, Special Teams. It was a collective effort.

Yep. If we're talking about choking, the difference in the game, by the numbers, might have been Jones not running run straight/along the sideline, and his lost fumble vs Tampa in the NFCC last year may have been the difference in that game, too. Lewis with a huge momentum-killing fumble on the second drive. If we score there and go up by 10 or 14, who knows how MLF/AR are able to call plays with a two-score lead, along with, obviously, 3 points being the final difference in the game.

Or Z Smith, cuz whenever he was in on a run down in the second half, the Niners seemed to run so successfully, with echoes of the 2019 NFCC when Niners ran all over our edges.

Or Tyler Lancaster with the terrible set on the blocked FG? Idk if that's a unit mistake or one guy's mistake.

Or Stokes not looking at the ball and missing the chance for a pick-6?

Or Deguara dropping an easy pass down the middle for a first down?

So many misplays and missed plays. Plenty of blame if we need to assign blame. No point in arguing about who deserves more or the most blame. It's a team loss in the end.

[raysbookclub]

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[M-C-G]

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