Tank World Order (7.0)

[Los_29]

A lot of yall think we are going to shoot right up the standings and i don't see it.

Miami, BK, Bucks, Sixers, Bulls, Cavs. That top 6 is solid.

Hornets will only get better, celtics are still young. Hawks eastern confernce finals idk man, I see us being a play in team or worse for a few years

Why will the Hornets and Celtics get better but not us? We are less experienced than both of those teams. And the Hawks have been so bad they want to trade half their team.

We are not less experienced than the hornets, not even close. FVV, Pascal lots of experience, trent has playoff experience, OG has been in the playoffs every year. You're looking at one player, barnes.

We're the least experienced team in the league. So yeah, it's not even close that they are less experienced than us. lol.

[HumbleRen]

OG, Barnes, GTJ will get better over the off season, we should be fighting for a 6-8th seed next year if the internal development goes to plan.

[Ell Curry]

It's tough to call.

Lamelo improving is probable and worth the most since he's the #1, but Hayward should decline soon and Oubre might turn back into a pumpkin.

The Celtics though, I could see them back above us with a new coach or the right trade. They seem like a team that would move future picks to go get a point guard (like Horford's expiring and 3 future firsts for Fox or something). Hawks too, lots of talent so might just need to rejig.

And Demar should eventually age? Will he be this good at 34? Vucevic definitely should show signs of decline real soon. The other top 5 look solid as hell though when you price in a Simmons trade.

[NotMyKawhi]

Why will the Hornets and Celtics get better but not us? We are less experienced than both of those teams. And the Hawks have been so bad they want to trade half their team.

We are not less experienced than the hornets, not even close. FVV, Pascal lots of experience, trent has playoff experience, OG has been in the playoffs every year. You're looking at one player, barnes.

We're the least experienced team in the league. So yeah, it's not even close that they are less experienced than us. lol.

stop with these stupid statements. Just bc a bunch of players who don't have experience and don't play are on our team doesn't mean we don't have experience. like i said....

Their best 2 players are on rookie contracts, our best 2 players are 29 years old.

Even OG is older now, Trent has been in the playoffs a few times. Stop trolling.

[NotMyKawhi]

It's tough to call.

Lamelo improving is probable and worth the most since he's the #1, but Hayward should decline soon and Oubre might turn back into a pumpkin.

The Celtics though, I could see them back above us with a new coach or the right trade. They seem like a team that would move future picks to go get a point guard (like Horford's expiring and 3 future firsts for Fox or something). Hawks too, lots of talent so might just need to rejig.

And Demar should eventually age? Will he be this good at 34? Vucevic definitely should show signs of decline real soon. The other top 5 look solid as hell though when you price in a Simmons trade.

Hayward is a minor piece on their team.

Their best 2 players are Bridges and Melo. Guys like oubre and rozier are the same age as our best 2 players.

They have young guys like bouknight, PJ washington, Kai Jones, JT Thor, Jalen McDaniels. That team is stacked w young talent

We have barnes

[Los_29]

We are not less experienced than the hornets, not even close. FVV, Pascal lots of experience, trent has playoff experience, OG has been in the playoffs every year. You're looking at one player, barnes.

We're the least experienced team in the league. So yeah, it's not even close that they are less experienced than us. lol.

stop with these stupid statements. Just bc a bunch of players who don't have experience and don't play are on our team doesn't mean we don't have experience. like i said....

Their best 2 players are on rookie contracts, our best 2 players are 29 years old.

Even OG is older now, Trent has been in the playoffs a few times. Stop trolling.

What are you talking about? Just because you don't like what you hear doesn't mean it's not true. It's an absolute fact.

And no, our two best players are 27 years old unless you're referring to Chris Boucher and Khem Birch as our best players.

Stop it.

[KL78192020]

Siakam and FVV were part of a championship they have plenty of experience. OG also has playoff experience, only GTJ and Barnes can use that excuse. It was the same excuses with JV and Demar saying they need more experience, until Masai realized the team just isn't working.

Those Demar and JV teams were also better than this team, they were top 4 team in the East every year.

[NotMyKawhi]

Siakam and FVV were part of a championship they have plenty of experience. OG also has playoff experience, only GTJ and Barnes can use that excuse. It was the same excuses with JV and Demar saying they need more experience, until Masai realized the team just isn't working.

Those Demar and JV teams were also better than this team, they were top 4 team in the East every year.

trent still played very well in the playoffs for the blazers, last year w us too. He has playoff experience.


Demar and kyle teams w JV on the side (even tho JV was our best playoff player many years) It was the kyle and demar show

[HumbleRen]

Siakam and FVV were part of a championship they have plenty of experience. OG also has playoff experience, only GTJ and Barnes can use that excuse. It was the same excuses with JV and Demar saying they need more experience, until they Masai realized the team just isn't working.

Those Demar and JV teams were also better than this team, they were top 4 team in the East every year.

Talent matters as well, Siakam and FVV put up numbers but it just isn't the same as the other young guys in the conference, FVV and Siakam have to EARN it. They don't have scoring ability to put up 40+ on any given night and that **** matters big picture wise.


Those Lowry/Demar teams were able to get away with it become consistently had some of the best benches in the nba, while Siakam/FVV have to deal with the worst bench in the NBA.

[KL78192020]

Siakam and FVV were part of a championship they have plenty of experience. OG also has playoff experience, only GTJ and Barnes can use that excuse. It was the same excuses with JV and Demar saying they need more experience, until they Masai realized the team just isn't working.

Those Demar and JV teams were also better than this team, they were top 4 team in the East every year.

Talent matters as well, Siakam and FVV put up numbers but it just isn't the same as the other young guys in the conference, FVV and Siakam have to EARN it. They don't have scoring ability to put up 40+ on any given night and that **** matters big picture wise.


Those Lowry/Demar teams were able to get away with it become consistently had some of the best benches in the nba, while Siakam/FVV have to deal with the worst bench in the NBA.

Yea for sure, this team needs so many more pieces before it can compete again.

[NotMyKawhi]

Siakam and FVV were part of a championship they have plenty of experience. OG also has playoff experience, only GTJ and Barnes can use that excuse. It was the same excuses with JV and Demar saying they need more experience, until they Masai realized the team just isn't working.

Those Demar and JV teams were also better than this team, they were top 4 team in the East every year.

Talent matters as well, Siakam and FVV put up numbers but it just isn't the same as the other young guys in the conference, FVV and Siakam have to EARN it. They don't have scoring ability to put up 40+ on any given night and that **** matters big picture wise.


Those Lowry/Demar teams were able to get away with it become consistently had some of the best benches in the nba, while Siakam/FVV have to deal with the worst bench in the NBA.

Yea for sure, this team needs so many more pieces before it can compete again.

we need a superstar and a centre. We could be 15 deep and if we didn't have a superstar it wouldn't matter


those bench pieces you guys talk abt can be had for 2nd round picks like PJ Tucker

[Los_29]

Siakam and FVV were part of a championship they have plenty of experience. OG also has playoff experience, only GTJ and Barnes can use that excuse. It was the same excuses with JV and Demar saying they need more experience, until they Masai realized the team just isn't working.

Those Demar and JV teams were also better than this team, they were top 4 team in the East every year.

Talent matters as well, Siakam and FVV put up numbers but it just isn't the same as the other young guys in the conference, FVV and Siakam have to EARN it. They don't have scoring ability to put up 40+ on any given night and that **** matters big picture wise.


Those Lowry/Demar teams were able to get away with it become consistently had some of the best benches in the nba, while Siakam/FVV have to deal with the worst bench in the NBA.

Which young guys are you referring to? Obviously you got Giannis, Trae. But Tatum is the next young guy in the conference and his numbers are incredibly inefficient. Same efficiency as Fred this year. Tatum has actually been a LESS efficient scorer than Pascal during his career. Then the next young guy from our conference is Jaylen Brown then.... Fred VanVleet and Pascal Siakam.

Talent means nothing if there are no results. Teams don't care about how a guy looks out there. They care about what he produces.

[Ell Curry]

It's tough to call.

Lamelo improving is probable and worth the most since he's the #1, but Hayward should decline soon and Oubre might turn back into a pumpkin.

The Celtics though, I could see them back above us with a new coach or the right trade. They seem like a team that would move future picks to go get a point guard (like Horford's expiring and 3 future firsts for Fox or something). Hawks too, lots of talent so might just need to rejig.

And Demar should eventually age? Will he be this good at 34? Vucevic definitely should show signs of decline real soon. The other top 5 look solid as hell though when you price in a Simmons trade.

Hayward is a minor piece on their team.

Their best 2 players are Bridges and Melo. Guys like oubre and rozier are the same age as our best 2 players.

They have young guys like bouknight, PJ washington, Kai Jones, JT Thor, Jalen McDaniels. That team is stacked w young talent

We have barnes

We have no idea if those last 5 guys are anything more than a 7th man in Washington. They're like Banton, high upside guys. Kai Jones had 3.6 points a game in college. Bouknight might be a starting 2 guard and Jones or Thor a quality big but the odds are generally low on that sort of thing.

Bridges and Melo will get better, but should have to max Bridges (nobody better to spend cap space on if you're Detroit or OKC and have no bad contracts on the books, why not grab a wing) to keep him and 90M on Bridges-Hayward-Rozier is hard to be too scared of. And Scottie might improve as much as Lamelo does. I like their setup but I wouldn't trade their roster for ours (though would have this summer before we saw Scottie). And while Lamelo is a genius, he's not necessarily going to be a scary #1 playoff scoring type if he's a 24-25 point guy, that's not Kawhi 2019 or KD or Embiid territory. My best guess is they end up pretty good but never win the East and Lamelo leaves after 7.

I think they're in the bracket with us, Atlanta and the Celtics. Would have to think a long time before ranking those teams in playoff series victory over the next 5 years.

[Madhouse]

Raptors will be better than the 6-8 seed next year. In fact I would be surprised if we are not very close to 50 wins next year.

A more serious bench will get you wins as will Barnes, Precious, Banton, Gary and possibly OG getting better.

Regular season wins but similar to the 2013-15 Raps I would not be surprised if it's a first round exit and possibly get swept by some trash team like the Wizards.

The East is pretty fraudulent and Raptors will win games but playoffs is a different ball game

[Badonkadonk]

It's tough to call.

Lamelo improving is probable and worth the most since he's the #1, but Hayward should decline soon and Oubre might turn back into a pumpkin.

The Celtics though, I could see them back above us with a new coach or the right trade. They seem like a team that would move future picks to go get a point guard (like Horford's expiring and 3 future firsts for Fox or something). Hawks too, lots of talent so might just need to rejig.

And Demar should eventually age? Will he be this good at 34? Vucevic definitely should show signs of decline real soon. The other top 5 look solid as hell though when you price in a Simmons trade.

Hayward is a minor piece on their team.

Their best 2 players are Bridges and Melo. Guys like oubre and rozier are the same age as our best 2 players.

They have young guys like bouknight, PJ washington, Kai Jones, JT Thor, Jalen McDaniels. That team is stacked w young talent

We have barnes

What? You're just naming a bunch of spare parts with maaaaybe one of them (Bouk) having a shot at being a strong piece.. No right-minded GM in the league would give up Barnes for Bouknight, PJ, Kai, Thor and McDaniels.

[Chandan]

OG, Barnes, GTJ will get better over the off season, we should be fighting for a 6-8th seed next year if the internal development goes to plan.

and then we would have to open the cheque book for GTJ.

[HumbleRen]

Siakam and FVV were part of a championship they have plenty of experience. OG also has playoff experience, only GTJ and Barnes can use that excuse. It was the same excuses with JV and Demar saying they need more experience, until they Masai realized the team just isn't working.

Those Demar and JV teams were also better than this team, they were top 4 team in the East every year.

Talent matters as well, Siakam and FVV put up numbers but it just isn't the same as the other young guys in the conference, FVV and Siakam have to EARN it. They don't have scoring ability to put up 40+ on any given night and that **** matters big picture wise.


Those Lowry/Demar teams were able to get away with it become consistently had some of the best benches in the nba, while Siakam/FVV have to deal with the worst bench in the NBA.

Which young guys are you referring to? Obviously you got Giannis, Trae. But Tatum is the next young guy in the conference and his numbers are incredibly inefficient. Same efficiency as Fred this year. Tatum has actually been a LESS efficient scorer than Pascal during his career. Then the next young guy from our conference is Jaylen Brown then.... Fred VanVleet and Pascal Siakam.

Talent means nothing if there are no results. Teams don't care about how a guy looks out there. They care about what he produces.

And what results have Siakam and FVV achieved without Lowry ?

Garland/Mobley/Allen core will end up top 5 in the east and they’re all younger than Siakam and FVV ? Garland isn’t even in year 4 yet.

We’ve seen Tatum/Brown eliminate arguably the 2nd best Raptors team of the last decade by themselves at like age 22 for Tatum.

Zack Lavine is a top 5 SG, that core with the bulls isn’t going anywhere.

Lamelo and that core isn’t going anywhere either.


Talent matters, having the best player on the court at all times matters.


I believe we can compete for a 5-8th seed with this core but we have a short window with this core, we aren’t keeping both FVV or GTJ after next year.

[HumbleRen]

OG, Barnes, GTJ will get better over the off season, we should be fighting for a 6-8th seed next year if the internal development goes to plan.

and then we would have to open the cheque book for GTJ.

Yep.

[NotMyKawhi]

It's tough to call.

Lamelo improving is probable and worth the most since he's the #1, but Hayward should decline soon and Oubre might turn back into a pumpkin.

The Celtics though, I could see them back above us with a new coach or the right trade. They seem like a team that would move future picks to go get a point guard (like Horford's expiring and 3 future firsts for Fox or something). Hawks too, lots of talent so might just need to rejig.

And Demar should eventually age? Will he be this good at 34? Vucevic definitely should show signs of decline real soon. The other top 5 look solid as hell though when you price in a Simmons trade.

Hayward is a minor piece on their team.

Their best 2 players are Bridges and Melo. Guys like oubre and rozier are the same age as our best 2 players.

They have young guys like bouknight, PJ washington, Kai Jones, JT Thor, Jalen McDaniels. That team is stacked w young talent

We have barnes

What? You're just naming a bunch of spare parts with maaaaybe one of them (Bouk) having a shot at being a strong piece.. No right-minded GM in the league would give up Barnes for Bouknight, PJ, Kai, Thor and McDaniels.

I'm comparing rosters. I'm not comparing them to barnes even tho if we stayed at 7? lots of ppl on this board wanted Kai Jones at 7 #facts

bouknight too over barnes lots of ppl. But regradless of what you think if you wanna compare young players Lamelo > Barnes

And Miles is pretty damn good this year too. Playing better than barnes

[Yeezus_]

Siakam and FVV were part of a championship they have plenty of experience. OG also has playoff experience, only GTJ and Barnes can use that excuse. It was the same excuses with JV and Demar saying they need more experience, until they Masai realized the team just isn't working.

Those Demar and JV teams were also better than this team, they were top 4 team in the East every year.

Talent matters as well, Siakam and FVV put up numbers but it just isn't the same as the other young guys in the conference, FVV and Siakam have to EARN it. They don't have scoring ability to put up 40+ on any given night and that **** matters big picture wise.


Those Lowry/Demar teams were able to get away with it become consistently had some of the best benches in the nba, while Siakam/FVV have to deal with the worst bench in the NBA.

What does "have to earn it" mean? And how does that differ from other similar players that arent on the Raptors?

Do you mean playing major minutes?