Blow it Up Trade Ideas

[DusterBuster]

I mean, Osman has been in the league now for almost 8 years... drafted in 2015. He strikes me as one of those Joel Freeman, Sergi Monjia type euro forwards who will give you just a shade over 10ppg and fair defense, but never leave a noticeable mark on their team. So yeah, I kinda see why he's regarded as that. Can't imagine the Cavs would skip a beat if he wasn't on the team.

Osman has won us some games with his shooting but he's streaky. Presumably CJ would fill that role a lot better. On the Cavs forum, I suggested if a deal like this went down that we might give up a pick for Kenrich Williams to replace Cedi, other Cavs fans would like to see a CJ deal expanded to include RoCo.

CJ + Covington for Love + Osman + 2022 Top-20 Protected FRP (Top-20 protected 3 years, then 2 SRP)

Cavs fans are back in love with Love, so I doubt there's much of anything outside of an All Star that you could convince Cavs fans on this forum to trade Love for right now.

That said, if they were willing to do it, you could do CJ, Powell, and Covington for Love, Osman, Rubio, and a Lottery Protected 2022 FRP. Getting two really good guards like CJ and Powell, plus Covington's defense might be enough to offset the loss of Love even though they're gaga about him right now, plus it dips Portland's salary below the tax I believe (or gets it close).

[JonFromVA]

Osman has won us some games with his shooting but he's streaky. Presumably CJ would fill that role a lot better. On the Cavs forum, I suggested if a deal like this went down that we might give up a pick for Kenrich Williams to replace Cedi, other Cavs fans would like to see a CJ deal expanded to include RoCo.

CJ + Covington for Love + Osman + 2022 Top-20 Protected FRP (Top-20 protected 3 years, then 2 SRP)

Cavs fans are back in love with Love, so I doubt there's much of anything outside of an All Star that you could convince Cavs fans on this forum to trade Love for right now.

That said, if they were willing to do it, you could do CJ, Powell, and Covington for Love, Osman, Rubio, and a Lottery Protected 2022 FRP. Getting two really good guards like CJ and Powell, plus Covington's defense might be enough to offset the loss of Love even though they're gaga about him right now, plus it dips Portland's salary below the tax I believe (or gets it close).

Oh, Cavs fans would gladly trade Kevin in the right deal, but like I said in my initial remarks - we are trying to patch rosters holes not create new ones. Including Powell and Covington might very well swing it for some Cavs fans.

[DusterBuster]

CJ + Covington for Love + Osman + 2022 Top-20 Protected FRP (Top-20 protected 3 years, then 2 SRP)

Cavs fans are back in love with Love, so I doubt there's much of anything outside of an All Star that you could convince Cavs fans on this forum to trade Love for right now.

That said, if they were willing to do it, you could do CJ, Powell, and Covington for Love, Osman, Rubio, and a Lottery Protected 2022 FRP. Getting two really good guards like CJ and Powell, plus Covington's defense might be enough to offset the loss of Love even though they're gaga about him right now, plus it dips Portland's salary below the tax I believe (or gets it close).

Oh, Cavs fans would gladly trade Kevin in the right deal, but like I said in my initial remarks - we are trying to patch rosters holes not create new ones. Including Powell and Covington might very well swing it for some Cavs fans.

It's an insane value return for the Cavs. Salary heavy a bit, but would really improve the team on the court quite a bit - maybe even enough to take the #1 seed in an open season like this.

Blazers would be doing it for almost pure salary-cutting reasons... Love would probably pout for the rest of the season if the Blazers are tanking... so that would be pretty obnoxious, but he might have a good year next year with everyone back healthy (if they can stay that way).

[BlazersBroncos]

Osman has won us some games with his shooting but he's streaky. Presumably CJ would fill that role a lot better. On the Cavs forum, I suggested if a deal like this went down that we might give up a pick for Kenrich Williams to replace Cedi, other Cavs fans would like to see a CJ deal expanded to include RoCo.

CJ + Covington for Love + Osman + 2022 Top-20 Protected FRP (Top-20 protected 3 years, then 2 SRP)

Cavs fans are back in love with Love, so I doubt there's much of anything outside of an All Star that you could convince Cavs fans on this forum to trade Love for right now.

That said, if they were willing to do it, you could do CJ, Powell, and Covington for Love, Osman, Rubio, and a Lottery Protected 2022 FRP. Getting two really good guards like CJ and Powell, plus Covington's defense might be enough to offset the loss of Love even though they're gaga about him right now, plus it dips Portland's salary below the tax I believe (or gets it close).

This is way too good for Cleveland. I think the idea of pushing Powell out b/c Simons has been playing well is pretty silly.

[DusterBuster]

CJ + Covington for Love + Osman + 2022 Top-20 Protected FRP (Top-20 protected 3 years, then 2 SRP)

Cavs fans are back in love with Love, so I doubt there's much of anything outside of an All Star that you could convince Cavs fans on this forum to trade Love for right now.

That said, if they were willing to do it, you could do CJ, Powell, and Covington for Love, Osman, Rubio, and a Lottery Protected 2022 FRP. Getting two really good guards like CJ and Powell, plus Covington's defense might be enough to offset the loss of Love even though they're gaga about him right now, plus it dips Portland's salary below the tax I believe (or gets it close).

This is way too good for Cleveland. I think the idea of pushing Powell out b/c Simons has been playing well is pretty silly.

"Pushing Powell out b/c Simons has been playing well" wasn't my point here. Just cutting salary and balancing out the roster, while also getting some picks. You could be right, might be too good and maybe Portland could squeeze out another FRP here in 2024 from them.

That said, Simons played no part in my thinking there. Honestly, I'm not a fan of Simons being the team's SG next to Lillard. It's just a reboot of the Dame/CJ show for a newer generation. The Blazers desperately need to get away from the 6'2" backcourt issue.

I'd personally rather see Simons shopped while he's playing so great, but his contract makes for an awkward trade piece... he's better than 95% of the players making his salary and the 5% that are as good or better than him at that salary are likely untouchable. You can attach him to another player for a vet, but what vet is out there that's going to be as good as Simons is?...

[JonFromVA]

Cavs fans are back in love with Love, so I doubt there's much of anything outside of an All Star that you could convince Cavs fans on this forum to trade Love for right now.

That said, if they were willing to do it, you could do CJ, Powell, and Covington for Love, Osman, Rubio, and a Lottery Protected 2022 FRP. Getting two really good guards like CJ and Powell, plus Covington's defense might be enough to offset the loss of Love even though they're gaga about him right now, plus it dips Portland's salary below the tax I believe (or gets it close).

Oh, Cavs fans would gladly trade Kevin in the right deal, but like I said in my initial remarks - we are trying to patch rosters holes not create new ones. Including Powell and Covington might very well swing it for some Cavs fans.

It's an insane value return for the Cavs. Salary heavy a bit, but would really improve the team on the court quite a bit - maybe even enough to take the #1 seed in an open season like this.

Blazers would be doing it for almost pure salary-cutting reasons... Love would probably pout for the rest of the season if the Blazers are tanking... so that would be pretty obnoxious, but he might have a good year next year with everyone back healthy (if they can stay that way).

The Cavs are already on track for the #1 seed in the East.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.html

The Cavs will kick tires on big deals because that's what they do, but IMO their top priority is just to fill some holes: a secondary creator/scorer, and a 3&D wing who can deal with the types of SF's we are going to see in the playoffs would be sweet. They don't have to be CJ and RoCo level, just rotational guys.

[Dame Lizard]

I believe Simons is definitely better than CJ as of today. To think that Dame + Simons as a backcourt is just another rendition of Dame + CJ is a bit premature imo.

I don't think they're a great pairing per se, particularly defensively, but I can see plenty of logic.

Simons has developed genuine PG skills, so could really allow Dame to play more off the ball. He won't pound the rock like CJ does.

Having said that, I'm also very open to rebuilding with Simons as the PG, if we can trade Dame for an attractive package.

[Troubadour]

Hello, have a trade idea and wanted some feedback. I wasn't sure how you're all valuing Norman Powell these days, but we miss his scoring and shooting in Toronto.

Raptors Receive
Jakob Poeltl
Norman Powell

Spurs Receive
Chris Boucher
Goran Dragic
2023 1st Round Pick (Top 4 Protected - TOR)
2023 2nd Round Pick (TOR)
2025 2nd Round Pick (TOR)

Blazers Receive
Thaddeus Young
Malachi Flynn

[DusterBuster]

Hello, have a trade idea and wanted some feedback. I wasn't sure how you're all valuing Norman Powell these days, but we miss his scoring and shooting in Toronto.

Raptors Receive
Jakob Poeltl
Norman Powell

Spurs Receive
Chris Boucher
Goran Dragic
2023 1st Round Pick (Top 4 Protected - TOR)
2023 2nd Round Pick (TOR)
2025 2nd Round Pick (TOR)

Blazers Receive
Thaddeus Young
Malachi Flynn

Blazers would want much more than one player who I didn’t know was still in the league and one player I’ve never heard of. Terrible trade.

[GEE]

Hello, have a trade idea and wanted some feedback. I wasn't sure how you're all valuing Norman Powell these days, but we miss his scoring and shooting in Toronto.

Raptors Receive
Jakob Poeltl
Norman Powell

Spurs Receive
Chris Boucher
Goran Dragic
2023 1st Round Pick (Top 4 Protected - TOR)
2023 2nd Round Pick (TOR)
2025 2nd Round Pick (TOR)

Blazers Receive
Thaddeus Young
Malachi Flynn

While most around here want to continue w/ building around Dame, I clearly don't think it's the best path forward for the franchise. My "blow it up" remains two-part:
1) Trade Dame for talent to balance our roster.
2) Trade either CJ or Powell for an almost pure salary dump: EXPs and a mid-draft pick or two is fine.

So your trade actually isn't that horrible in my eyes, but it would be if I were SA, and a true steal if I were TOR. Poeltl, or any of SA's players should be tough to pry away, as I see the Spurs slowly building a really good young team. But if Portland were able to stomach pulling off #1, which I highly doubt, then I would be in favor of cutting SA out of the deal, and counter your trade with:

Powell and Snell to Toronto for Boucher(exp) and Dragic(exp) and a pick or two.

You'd get your guy back, and Portland puts their financial house in order, for the future going forward.

[Troubadour]

Hello, have a trade idea and wanted some feedback. I wasn't sure how you're all valuing Norman Powell these days, but we miss his scoring and shooting in Toronto.

Raptors Receive
Jakob Poeltl
Norman Powell

Spurs Receive
Chris Boucher
Goran Dragic
2023 1st Round Pick (Top 4 Protected - TOR)
2023 2nd Round Pick (TOR)
2025 2nd Round Pick (TOR)

Blazers Receive
Thaddeus Young
Malachi Flynn

While most around here want to continue w/ building around Dame, I clearly don't think it's the best path forward for the franchise. My "blow it up" remains two-part:
1) Trade Dame for talent to balance our roster.
2) Trade either CJ or Powell for an almost pure salary dump: EXPs and a mid-draft pick or two is fine.

So your trade actually isn't that horrible in my eyes, but it would be if I were SA, and a true steal if I were TOR. Poeltl, or any of SA's players should be tough to pry away, as I see the Spurs slowly building a really good young team. But if Portland were able to stomach pulling off #1, which I highly doubt, then I would be in favor of cutting SA out of the deal, and counter your trade with:

Powell and Snell to Toronto for Boucher(exp) and Dragic(exp) and a pick or two.

You'd get your guy back, and Portland puts their financial house in order, for the future going forward.

What if we were to go another direction and just look at CJ?

Dragic, Birch, Flynn and a future protected 2nd for CJ? It puts the Raptors into the tax, so I'm not confident it would happen, but CJ as a super sixth man would be much needed bench scoring for the Raptors.

[red_power]

Flynn would certainly attract zero trade interest from the Blazers, so I think it's better to look for a different idea.

[Norm2953]

There is a version of this on the TB but Portland with Dame and Simons doesn't need another PG
but add Precious to the deal with Dragic and it could work.

[Dame Lizard]

I'll be disappointed if we don't trade RoCo, if there's an offer for a first round pick out there.

This season is a write-off and Joe Cronin should be looking to the future (irrespective of whether he's the long-term GM or not).

If we don't trade RoCo, I really don't know what contract I'd be happy offering him in the offseason. I love the guy as a person, but I think it's a good opportunity to undo some of Olshey's draft pick damage and acquire a first round pick.

Assuming Nassir continues his trajectory, I'd prefer him over RoCo as our long-term SF.

[wjun15]

you may be right, but a lot of that is rumor and speculation

Doc Rivers threw Simmons under the bus after the playoffs last year. Blamed him for the loss. Rivers is still the coach. Embiid threw Simmons under the bus and he's still the team leader. Philly fans trashed Simmons unmercifully as they are prone to do. No fanbase makes scapegoats like Philly fans.

it wasn't just Simmons who made a toxic situation and I'd say a lot of players would have been completely alienated being the target of behavior by the coach, teammate(s), fans, and later by management

Dame is not going to be traded unless he demands a trade and I think that's unlikely. And in that unlikely event, He wouldn't, and shouldn't be traded for a guy like Simmons. But CJ for Simmons? Powell + RoCo for Simmons? Those are different situations and are at least worth considering. Blazers need another elite player. Simmons has flaws as a player, but he is elite in quite a few areas. Portland will have to accept some risk in order to put a better team around Dame. The risk-adverse decade of mismanagement by the former GM is the reason Portland is stuck on a treadmill

I am not full stop against getting Simmons, but I strongly believe he needs to be on a team with a guy like Dame. Putting him on a team without a veteran leader (And assuming Dame for Ben, a team that is bad) is dangerous and just starts the clock on him requesting out again.

I think Powell, Covington, FRP (Even 2) for Simmons would be nice. Follow that up with CJ for Love to improve the floor spacing and your looking at a team with a outside chance of actually being a threat.

G - Damian Lillard / MLE
G - Anfernee Simons / MLE
F - Ben Simmons / Nassir Little
F - Larry Nance JR / Ben Simmons
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Kevin Love

But I think Morey will hold Ben with hopes of getting Harden.

cmon there's 0 chance morey will take powell covington picks lmao. and simmons at sf?

[JRoy]

Hello, have a trade idea and wanted some feedback. I wasn't sure how you're all valuing Norman Powell these days, but we miss his scoring and shooting in Toronto.

Raptors Receive
Jakob Poeltl
Norman Powell

Spurs Receive
Chris Boucher
Goran Dragic
2023 1st Round Pick (Top 4 Protected - TOR)
2023 2nd Round Pick (TOR)
2025 2nd Round Pick (TOR)

Blazers Receive
Thaddeus Young
Malachi Flynn

POR is not giving up a solid starter for a pair of bench guys.

Not close.

[Norm2953]

With the apparent injury to Joe Ingles, Utah which has been interested in Roco might have to
complete a deal with Portland using Ingles and FRP to get him.

[red_power]

Ingles is nothing more than a straight salary filler at this point in his career. I wouldn't worry much about what is going on with him.

Anyway, this trade doesn't put Blazers under the luxury tax threshold, so I think there are other moves coming definitely.

[red_power]

there are other moves coming definitely.

That, in fact, might turn out to be something like Ben McLemore for 2187 top-59 protected SRP.

[Wizenheimer]

With the apparent injury to Joe Ingles, Utah which has been interested in Roco might have to
complete a deal with Portland using Ingles and FRP to get him.

Utah does not have a 1st round pick to trade till 2028. That is practically worthless