ImageImageImage

Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

Moderators: KingDavid, MettaWorldPanda, Wiltside, IggieCC, BFRESH44, QUIZ, heat4life

greg4012
General Manager
Posts: 8,055
And1: 12,378
Joined: Jul 14, 2008

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#641 » by greg4012 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:59 pm

balla345 wrote:I hate to be the one to say it but our team was playing better with Lowry 3 shooters and Yurt than with Bam+Butler.


That tends to be the case when the shooters are hitting at an unsustainable and record breaking rate. I don't want to die by the 3 like that. But, I'm all for finding an in between where the approach taken during that stretch is still utilized game by game
User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,167
And1: 51,495
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#642 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:47 pm

The bam stuff is on Bam and Spo. Can’t have him up top giving handoffs all game. I think a lot of it is Lowry being out and him and Jimmy being forced to initiate the offense but we’ll see.

He should’ve had 20 shots at minimum last night.
#FreeBam
#Klutch
User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,167
And1: 51,495
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#643 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:47 pm

Wait you all mean to tell me the offense looks better when our only Pg, who happens to be a very good Pg plays? That’s not shocking at all lol
#FreeBam
#Klutch
vincent
Rookie
Posts: 1,138
And1: 157
Joined: Jul 20, 2004

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#644 » by vincent » Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:34 pm

It's no doubt in my mind. Bam's taped hand is a problem.
But this is a defensive team that is out man against size. Can the Heat still win overall with hot shooting, yes?
Let's not let boy wonder off the hook with 3 to 4 plus turnover a game , as well.
Image

Fun facts :
- The Miami Heat surpassed the Knicks in championships
- Only the Lakers, Bulls, Celtics and Spurs have more championships
User avatar
MettaWorldPanda
Forum Mod - Heat
Forum Mod - Heat
Posts: 51,305
And1: 161,126
Joined: Nov 16, 2014
     

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#645 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:38 pm

Read on Twitter


Please come back
twix2500
RealGM
Posts: 27,781
And1: 28,015
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
   

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#646 » by twix2500 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:00 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
JLop wrote:
Pharenheit wrote:
Completely agree. That's been my biggest gripe with Bam. He's definitely regressed since he balled out in the bubble and as long as this continues, there's going to be a big time ceiling on this team

Wouldn't we have a better team if we traded Bam for Bradley Beal and Duncan for Christian Wood? Wouldn't we maximize Jimmy's best assets by having four players who can shoot from behind the arc? I have a feeling we're showcasing Bam and Duncan before the trade deadline. That's why we haven't been using Omer, who is clearly more talented than Bam.


Didn't Duncan just go 0-5 and not play a minute in a triple overtime game? No one will trade for him without added first rounders to balance it out.


He's a role player and getting payed to be one. The problem with this team is leaning too much on role players and not on Bam who is getting paid to carry the team.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
twix2500
RealGM
Posts: 27,781
And1: 28,015
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
   

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#647 » by twix2500 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:12 pm

Read on Twitter
?s=20&t=KUI4EBvyIZoAHn3ek2sDAg
User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,167
And1: 51,495
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#648 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:15 pm

Read on Twitter


Good lord. Herro 2-12, Jimmy only 2-5. I figured Jimmy shot way worse but I guess all his terrible shots came to end the 4th. Dude was just taking terrible pull up 3s and deep 2s. Herro has to be better if he’s going to take that much shots. I’d be ok with Jimmy and Herro taking 7 and Bam having like 5 in that situation but the discrepancy should not be anywhere near that.

I’m going to wait for Lowry to come back to see what happens but I’m tired of Bam at the top of the key looking for handoffs instead of attacking. Lowry will help, If not then Spo needs to adjust the play style a little and they need to tell bam anything under 16 shots a game is unacceptable.
#FreeBam
#Klutch
User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,167
And1: 51,495
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#649 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:18 pm

Also our play in the clutch is starting to worry me. Idk what’s happened to Jimmy from being hyper clutch to missing anything he puts up now from layups to jumpers or whatever.

Again, I’ll wait for Lowry to see if that changes but time is ticking and if we can’t score in the clutch we might need to throw something together for an all star level player who is a 3 level scorer at the deadline if we want to win a championship
#FreeBam
#Klutch
User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,167
And1: 51,495
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#650 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:18 pm

twix2500 wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=20&t=KUI4EBvyIZoAHn3ek2sDAg


And thats basically through 3 quarters each game since he doesn’t do anything in the 4th
#FreeBam
#Klutch
User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,167
And1: 51,495
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#651 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:26 pm

Long story short, I miss Wade in the clutch. I never had any fear when he was out there, especially in his prime.

And honestly, if we’re down 1-2 points I’m almost to the point now where depending on the matchup I give bam the ball in the post or top of the key and tell him to score and just live with the result. 90% of the time his defender will be either too small or too slow to check him in one or the other
#FreeBam
#Klutch
carnageta
Analyst
Posts: 3,236
And1: 8,319
Joined: Dec 16, 2019
 

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#652 » by carnageta » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:29 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Also our play in the clutch is starting to worry me. Idk what’s happened to Jimmy from being hyper clutch to missing anything he puts up now from layups to jumpers or whatever.

Again, I’ll wait for Lowry to see if that changes but time is ticking and if we can’t score in the clutch we might need to throw something together for an all star level player who is a 3 level scorer at the deadline if we want to win a championship


Dragic was a big time shot maker for us. He was a threat from any where on the court (paint, mid, 3pt) and tough as nails. In essence, you can argue he was basically a left-handed Tyler Herro with a tighter handle and more physical strength.
carnageta
Analyst
Posts: 3,236
And1: 8,319
Joined: Dec 16, 2019
 

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#653 » by carnageta » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:34 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Long story short, I miss Wade in the clutch. I never had any fear when he was out there, especially in his prime.

And honestly, if we’re down 1-2 points I’m almost to the point now where depending on the matchup I give bam the ball in the post or top of the key and tell him to score and just live with the result. 90% of the time his defender will be either too small or too slow to check him in one or the other


At this point I'd want Spo to draw up a play to get Bam open for a shot. The opposing defense is always super lasered in on Butler, Herro and Robinson because they know that's where the ball is going. I think either a dribble hand-off fake, or a pick and pop with Lowry / Butler will leave Bam wide open for a jay.

Pop did it with Duncan against the Suns in the playoffs with the game on the line.
Image

I think it's time for Spo to get creative in game winning situations, as opposed to having Butler / Herro dribble out the clock and shoot a contested fade-away all the time..
User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,167
And1: 51,495
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#654 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:51 pm

carnageta wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Long story short, I miss Wade in the clutch. I never had any fear when he was out there, especially in his prime.

And honestly, if we’re down 1-2 points I’m almost to the point now where depending on the matchup I give bam the ball in the post or top of the key and tell him to score and just live with the result. 90% of the time his defender will be either too small or too slow to check him in one or the other


At this point I'd want Spo to draw up a play to get Bam open for a shot. The opposing defense is always super lasered in on Butler, Herro and Robinson because they know that's where the ball is going. I think either a dribble hand-off fake, or a pick and pop with Lowry / Butler will leave Bam wide open for a jay.

Pop did it with Duncan against the Suns in the playoffs with the game on the line.
Image

I think it's time for Spo to get creative in game winning situations, as opposed to having Butler / Herro dribble out the clock and shoot a contested fade-away all the time..


I agree 100%. It’s time to force bam to take that next step. He has all time great potential and we’re wasting him using him like Draymond. He’s so much more than that. Dude is a freak of nature.
#FreeBam
#Klutch
User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,167
And1: 51,495
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#655 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:52 pm

carnageta wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Also our play in the clutch is starting to worry me. Idk what’s happened to Jimmy from being hyper clutch to missing anything he puts up now from layups to jumpers or whatever.

Again, I’ll wait for Lowry to see if that changes but time is ticking and if we can’t score in the clutch we might need to throw something together for an all star level player who is a 3 level scorer at the deadline if we want to win a championship


Dragic was a big time shot maker for us. He was a threat from any where on the court (paint, mid, 3pt) and tough as nails. In essence, you can argue he was basically a left-handed Tyler Herro with a tighter handle and more physical strength.


Dragic was perfect and Lowry has actually shot really well in the clutch. I mean if we really want we can probably put something together to snag Ingram or maybe even brown away but it just depends on what the higher ups want to do and how they view Herros upcoming extension.
#FreeBam
#Klutch
twix2500
RealGM
Posts: 27,781
And1: 28,015
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
   

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#656 » by twix2500 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:09 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Read on Twitter


Good lord. Herro 2-12, Jimmy only 2-5. I figured Jimmy shot way worse but I guess all his terrible shots came to end the 4th. Dude was just taking terrible pull up 3s and deep 2s. Herro has to be better if he’s going to take that much shots. I’d be ok with Jimmy and Herro taking 7 and Bam having like 5 in that situation but the discrepancy should not be anywhere near that.

I’m going to wait for Lowry to come back to see what happens but I’m tired of Bam at the top of the key looking for handoffs instead of attacking. Lowry will help, If not then Spo needs to adjust the play style a little and they need to tell bam anything under 16 shots a game is unacceptable.
You are right. Herro shouldn't be taking that many shots anyways. Bam and Herro are like alter egos.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
User avatar
DayofMourning
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 37,321
And1: 91,671
Joined: Jan 03, 2006
       

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#657 » by DayofMourning » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:25 pm

I think we can all agree....Bam needs to stop being a pussy on offense.
AirP.
RealGM
Posts: 37,249
And1: 32,183
Joined: Nov 21, 2007

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#658 » by AirP. » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:25 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Read on Twitter


Please come back


Wow, that is recent, here is a 7-week-old video from 2 weeks after the incident! It's almost like Miami is keeping him off the court.

‎From the Miami practice, Alvaro Martin reports that Markieff Morris is very close to getting back into action for the‎ #Heat.

Read on Twitter
User avatar
JLop
Analyst
Posts: 3,061
And1: 7,833
Joined: Feb 07, 2014
 

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#659 » by JLop » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:32 pm

Read on Twitter
wade44
General Manager
Posts: 8,212
And1: 14,101
Joined: Jun 09, 2018

Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#660 » by wade44 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:41 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
carnageta wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Long story short, I miss Wade in the clutch. I never had any fear when he was out there, especially in his prime.

And honestly, if we’re down 1-2 points I’m almost to the point now where depending on the matchup I give bam the ball in the post or top of the key and tell him to score and just live with the result. 90% of the time his defender will be either too small or too slow to check him in one or the other


At this point I'd want Spo to draw up a play to get Bam open for a shot. The opposing defense is always super lasered in on Butler, Herro and Robinson because they know that's where the ball is going. I think either a dribble hand-off fake, or a pick and pop with Lowry / Butler will leave Bam wide open for a jay.

Pop did it with Duncan against the Suns in the playoffs with the game on the line.
Image

I think it's time for Spo to get creative in game winning situations, as opposed to having Butler / Herro dribble out the clock and shoot a contested fade-away all the time..


I agree 100%. It’s time to force bam to take that next step. He has all time great potential and we’re wasting him using him like Draymond. He’s so much more than that. Dude is a freak of nature.


Bam can’t create his own offense on most possessions and has shown the inability to back down much smaller players. The Draymond role is ideal as long as we have the proper scoring around him. It’s not to say he still can’t average around 15-18 PPG, we just wouldn’t have to rely on him as much offensively

Return to Miami Heat