"It Takes Two To Make a Thing Go Right" Trade Thread

[Celts17Pride]

Since Stevens is likely saving his 1st round picks for a Beal sign-n-trade and ownership wants to duck the luxury tax, can't see any big deals happening.

It's very doubtful they get add anyone better than Richardson, so he probably stay put. I can see Stevens acquiring someone like Justin Holiday or Monte Morris.

Celtics are free to trade their 2022 1st round pick for a quality player if they choose to at this deadline. Shouldn't have any impact on Beal.

The NBA draft is before the new year begins. Beal Sign and Trade can't happen until after the new year begins. The only draft picks that matter at that time are 2023 and beyond. Celtics would still be able to trade any draft picks they want because the 2022 draft is over.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I am not trading Richardson for Beasley...Josh has been fantastic this year. Shooting over 40 % from three is crazy for him! On top of that his defense and playmaking ability at the 2 guard spot are great...

Never expected that at the beginning of the season but with his improved shooting he is the perfect role player for this team!

Schröder is the first guy to go. I also wouldn`t mind trading Al if we could find a taker for him and some more shooting in return...

Obv Brad thinks Beasley's better if they want to make the trade. JRich is having a career year, it's not likely to keep up - you're selling high on him and buying low on Beasley, who's having a down year. Shot quality stats on both would be helpful, I'll look.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The Mavs have made it clear that they are not interested in Schroder.

Where, why? I missed that

Marc Stein said it

Probably would be the Cavs who take him, I'd imagine

Troy Brown or Dean Wade then..

[Bill Lumbergh]

Unpopular opinion, I'm sure, but Brown is not untradeable to me. I'd want an excellent return, of course, but he's just not in the untradeable category in my view.

[GotDaSauce]

Repeat, I would NOT trade Richardson for Beasley.

If team wants to go into the tax
TPE for BEasley

If team wants to roll the dice a bit:
Horford and Schroder for Beverly and Beasley

Yeah I dont get the JRich for Beasley trade. Dont know much about Beasley but looking at stats he seems to be shooting 3's at a worse clip than Jrich and making more money. Does he bring better defense or something?


Oops looks like I wasn't the only one thinking this!

[jmr07019]

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Of course Philly would trade Simmons for Beal. The questions are does Beal have any interest in Philly and does Washington have interest in Simmons. Gotta think Washington would take Simmons over Boston's scraps. So let's hope Tatum has his hooks in Beal.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Since Stevens is likely saving his 1st round picks for a Beal sign-n-trade and ownership wants to duck the luxury tax, can't see any big deals happening.

It's very doubtful they get add anyone better than Richardson, so he probably stay put. I can see Stevens acquiring someone like Justin Holiday or Monte Morris.

Celtics are free to trade their 2022 1st round pick for a quality player if they choose to at this deadline. Shouldn't have any impact on Beal.

The NBA draft is before the new year begins. Beal Sign and Trade can't happen until after the new year begins. The only draft picks that matter at that time are 2023 and beyond. Celtics would still be able to trade any draft picks they want because the 2022 draft is over.

Ah, I thought they couldn't trade the 2023 pick, if they moved the 2022 pick... So offer Schroder, Nesmith, PP and the 2022 FRP for a shooter then...

[BillessuR6]

Beasley vs. Richardson career stats:
https://stathead.com/tiny/lZxi7

Beasley is career 37,8 % 3 point shooter, JRich 36,2 %. At everything else Richardson is better...

[Bill Lumbergh]

Morey still bluffing as if he's dealing from a position of strength. He'll have to throw in Maxey or Thybulle to get this done, and I would guess it'll be Thybulle.

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[Celtics418]

Count me in as confused on the offer for JRich + Langford to MIN for Malik Beasley. I guess it saves about a million towards the tax, frees up a roster spot and gives you a larger contract for matching future trades. But seems like on court would be a wash at best, and he's also had off court issues to consider. Anybody else see it differently?

[Larry_Russell]

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Of course Philly would trade Simmons for Beal. The questions are does Beal have any interest in Philly and does Washington have interest in Simmons. Gotta think Washington would take Simmons over Boston's scraps. So let's hope Tatum has his hooks in Beal.

That would be crippling to the wizards franchise.

That is a terrible, awful deal for them


Simmons has NO VALUE, imo, this is just more Morey bull

[Larry_Russell]

Morey still bluffing as if he's dealing from a position of strength. He'll have to throw in Maxey or Thybulle to get this done, and I would guess it'll be Thybulle.

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Based on how terrible Simmons value is, Both of them and picks

[Bill Lumbergh]

Morey still bluffing as if he's dealing from a position of strength. He'll have to throw in Maxey or Thybulle to get this done, and I would guess it'll be Thybulle.

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Based on how terrible Simmons value is, Both of them and picks

I don't think his value is quite that low, but we'll see.

[Larry_Russell]

Morey still bluffing as if he's dealing from a position of strength. He'll have to throw in Maxey or Thybulle to get this done, and I would guess it'll be Thybulle.

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Based on how terrible Simmons value is, Both of them and picks

I don't think is value is quite that low, but we'll see.

I am sure there are franchises out there that think that Ben will come back and become a shooter and be a Giannis Lite out there on the court.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/what-is-ben-simmons-trade-value-philadelphia-76ers-assessing-the-strengths-and-weaknesses/17ofrpyjka0xf1ppdkd535h3cc
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Great article showing what he is good at and what he is brutal at.

Pros
Great in transistion
can get to the rim (if defenders play up on him)
good passer, not great
good finisher at the rim

cons
cannot, will not shoot
cannot make free throws
makes over 30 million per season
currently refusing to play
mental issues
Turns ball over alot
Immature

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Just look at that shot chart.

Damn.

Dude is an immature role player getting paid a max contract

[Andrew McCeltic]

Morey still bluffing as if he's dealing from a position of strength. He'll have to throw in Maxey or Thybulle to get this done, and I would guess it'll be Thybulle.

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Seriously? Would WAS make the deal immediately if Morey upped the offer? Is this just a negotiating posture or does he really not think he can afford to do it? Put in Maxey and make them swap Dinwiddie/filler for Tobias..

You have to make that deal, it's working out of an 0-2 count to hit a triple. Washington would still be a mess but the Beal era is over - they can't afford to risk losing him or getting less of a return - they can't even risk giving him the hometown super-contract. Simmons has warts but he'd put a stamp on the team , they could play him as a 5 or a Rondo-1, or a point center, or a point power forward, you have more flexibility to build a team with him when there's not a dominant paint presence like Embiid. Hell, get Sabonis too, it kills spacing but it ups the raw value of the roster.

[jmr07019]

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Of course Philly would trade Simmons for Beal. The questions are does Beal have any interest in Philly and does Washington have interest in Simmons. Gotta think Washington would take Simmons over Boston's scraps. So let's hope Tatum has his hooks in Beal.

That would be crippling to the wizards franchise.

That is a terrible, awful deal for them


Simmons has NO VALUE, imo, this is just more Morey bull

Simmons is flashy with his passing and can elevate a team enough to get the 8-10 seed. He's a "star" you can market. Stops the team from going back to the bottom of the lottery and you can sell the fanbase you got something back for Beal. Maybe that's all the owners want?

From the perspective of winning a title I agree. Simmons seems like an awful locker room dude w/ low work ethic. Then there's that whole jump shot thing.

[Hal14]

Mavs fans have to be fuming that J Rich has been this good for us, he **** sucked there lol

Yup. and all they got in return for j-rich was Moses Brown, lol.. well, they also got a TPE but it remains to be seen whether they use it to get anyone good..

[Larry_Russell]

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Of course Philly would trade Simmons for Beal. The questions are does Beal have any interest in Philly and does Washington have interest in Simmons. Gotta think Washington would take Simmons over Boston's scraps. So let's hope Tatum has his hooks in Beal.

That would be crippling to the wizards franchise.

That is a terrible, awful deal for them


Simmons has NO VALUE, imo, this is just more Morey bull

Simmons is flashy with his passing and can elevate a team enough to get the 8-10 seed. He's a "star" you can market. Stops the team from going back to the bottom of the lottery and you can sell the fanbase you got something back for Beal. Maybe that's all the owners want?

From the perspective of winning a title I agree. Simmons seems like an awful locker room dude w/ low work ethic. Then there's that whole jump shot thing.

Just looking at that roster if they traded BEal for Simmons
(Next Season)
PG: Dinwiddie-18 million
SF: Bertrans - 16 Million
SF: Kuzma - 13 million
PF: Hachimura - 6 Million
SF: Advija - 5 million
SF: Kispert - 3.5 million
C: Gafford - 1.9 million
PF: Todd - 1.5 Million
PF: Simmons - 35.5 Million
SG: Pope - 14 Million
Lotto Pick - 3.5 million

119 ish Million 11 rostered players. Just the MLE and second rounder to add 3 players.

And of that the only floor spacers on the team are Rui and Pope as the only 2 guys shooting above 35% from 3.


That is an absolute TRAINWRECK of a team.


In fact, that is so bad I would be surprised if Ben even showed up to play.

[Celts17Pride]

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Seems like the Celtics could beat that if they wanted to beat it.

[BleedGreen1989]

Beasley vs. Richardson career stats:
https://stathead.com/tiny/lZxi7

Beasley is career 37,8 % 3 point shooter, JRich 36,2 %. At everything else Richardson is better...

I like Rich, not saying I make the trade but Beasley is also 3 years younger. That matters.

Also, is just a better shooter and scorer plain and simple. Those are significant things to be better at.