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Parliament10 wrote:zoyathedestroya wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:
Where’s the trade deadline fall in that seven game stretch? If we could win 5 of those I’d buy that we’re turning a corner
Nets have two games left before trade deadline, both on the road -- UTA, DEN
Cs have two games left before trade deadline, both on the road -- DET, ORL
The Cs game @ Nets comes after the deadline.
Correction:
Celtics vs Nets Game is Tuesday, Feb 8.
Trade Deadline is Thursday, Feb 10, 3 pm.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Ok, so we could go 3-0 and head into the deadline six games above .500 and tied for the 6th seed.....
The Comedian wrote:Tatum is in the 100th percentile in scoring gravity,
only trails Jokic. Ahead of Trae, Steph, KD, Luka, whoever.
Basically, that explains why our offense falls off a cliff when he sits, from 111.3 to 101.7. Also confirms what most know, that the defense completely sells out against him and tries to make everyone else beat them. And we’re watching him unlock what he’s able to do with that gravity.
Gomes3PC wrote:The Comedian wrote:Tatum is in the 100th percentile in scoring gravity,
only trails Jokic. Ahead of Trae, Steph, KD, Luka, whoever.
Basically, that explains why our offense falls off a cliff when he sits, from 111.3 to 101.7. Also confirms what most know, that the defense completely sells out against him and tries to make everyone else beat them. And we’re watching him unlock what he’s able to do with that gravity.
Turns out that when you put legitimately good NBA players around him (Rob, Smarf, Brown), this team kicks a$$. +18.8 net rating this season with those four on the floor.
The problem is not Tatum + Brown. The problem is that, other than our key four guys (+Horford), the rest of our team stinks and our net rating falls off a cliff.
Just look at our net ratings. Almost any four-man combo of our starters is +10 to +22. Basically every lineup combo besides that is neutral to garbage
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&GroupQuantity=4&TeamID=1610612738
In particular, any time Schroder steps on the floor it's generally a HUGE dropoff. Trading him for anything at this point likely is addition by subtraction.
Larry_Russell wrote:Gomes3PC wrote:The Comedian wrote:Tatum is in the 100th percentile in scoring gravity,
only trails Jokic. Ahead of Trae, Steph, KD, Luka, whoever.
Basically, that explains why our offense falls off a cliff when he sits, from 111.3 to 101.7. Also confirms what most know, that the defense completely sells out against him and tries to make everyone else beat them. And we’re watching him unlock what he’s able to do with that gravity.
Turns out that when you put legitimately good NBA players around him (Rob, Smarf, Brown), this team kicks a$$. +18.8 net rating this season with those four on the floor.
The problem is not Tatum + Brown. The problem is that, other than our key four guys (+Horford), the rest of our team stinks and our net rating falls off a cliff.
Just look at our net ratings. Almost any four-man combo of our starters is +10 to +22. Basically every lineup combo besides that is neutral to garbage
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&GroupQuantity=4&TeamID=1610612738
In particular, any time Schroder steps on the floor it's generally a HUGE dropoff. Trading him for anything at this point likely is addition by subtraction.
The excellent grouping
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Timelord
The great role player grouping
Horford
Richardson
Grant
The rest is weak AF
Gomes3PC wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:Gomes3PC wrote:Turns out that when you put legitimately good NBA players around him (Rob, Smarf, Brown), this team kicks a$$. +18.8 net rating this season with those four on the floor.
The problem is not Tatum + Brown. The problem is that, other than our key four guys (+Horford), the rest of our team stinks and our net rating falls off a cliff.
Just look at our net ratings. Almost any four-man combo of our starters is +10 to +22. Basically every lineup combo besides that is neutral to garbage
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&GroupQuantity=4&TeamID=1610612738
In particular, any time Schroder steps on the floor it's generally a HUGE dropoff. Trading him for anything at this point likely is addition by subtraction.
The excellent grouping
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Timelord
The great role player grouping
Horford
Richardson
Grant
The rest is weak AF
Pretty much this. The good news is that depth is overrated once you get to the playoffs. The bad news is that we can't seem to keep those 7 guys consistently healthy, and we really need an 8th to step in. My hope is that if we gave him a shot, Pritchard would be no worse than Schroder in ~20-25 MPG but I honestly don't have a lot of confidence in that. He'd probably get picked on mercilessly on defense.
Honestly wonder if someone cheap like a swap of Schroder for Cory Joseph would make some sense, or maybe Aaron Holiday. Guys I think who may not be better than Schroder, per se, but at least are fine with that 20-25 MPG role, can play some D and wouldn't cost much.
The Comedian wrote:Gomes3PC wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:
The excellent grouping
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Timelord
The great role player grouping
Horford
Richardson
Grant
The rest is weak AF
Pretty much this. The good news is that depth is overrated once you get to the playoffs. The bad news is that we can't seem to keep those 7 guys consistently healthy, and we really need an 8th to step in. My hope is that if we gave him a shot, Pritchard would be no worse than Schroder in ~20-25 MPG but I honestly don't have a lot of confidence in that. He'd probably get picked on mercilessly on defense.
Honestly wonder if someone cheap like a swap of Schroder for Cory Joseph would make some sense, or maybe Aaron Holiday. Guys I think who may not be better than Schroder, per se, but at least are fine with that 20-25 MPG role, can play some D and wouldn't cost much.
So my biggest thing with the rotations going forward, is that one of Tatum or Smart really needs to be in the game pretty much all times. Obviously Jaylen is better than Smart, but he struggles leading the offense. My ideal lineups after we dump Schroder would be this.
Starting five obviously.
Smart/J-Rich/Jaylen/Grant/Rob, multiple good passers out there with Jaylen.
Pritchard/J-Rich/Tatum/Grant/Al, so you have more shooting out there with Tatum, since the defenses collapses on him no matter what. I’d prefer Ime give Nesmith/Romeo another chance with the Tatum lineup, but not holding my breath.
Gomes3PC wrote:The Comedian wrote:Gomes3PC wrote:Pretty much this. The good news is that depth is overrated once you get to the playoffs. The bad news is that we can't seem to keep those 7 guys consistently healthy, and we really need an 8th to step in. My hope is that if we gave him a shot, Pritchard would be no worse than Schroder in ~20-25 MPG but I honestly don't have a lot of confidence in that. He'd probably get picked on mercilessly on defense.
Honestly wonder if someone cheap like a swap of Schroder for Cory Joseph would make some sense, or maybe Aaron Holiday. Guys I think who may not be better than Schroder, per se, but at least are fine with that 20-25 MPG role, can play some D and wouldn't cost much.
So my biggest thing with the rotations going forward, is that one of Tatum or Smart really needs to be in the game pretty much all times. Obviously Jaylen is better than Smart, but he struggles leading the offense. My ideal lineups after we dump Schroder would be this.
Starting five obviously.
Smart/J-Rich/Jaylen/Grant/Rob, multiple good passers out there with Jaylen.
Pritchard/J-Rich/Tatum/Grant/Al, so you have more shooting out there with Tatum, since the defenses collapses on him no matter what. I’d prefer Ime give Nesmith/Romeo another chance with the Tatum lineup, but not holding my breath.
This is a great point. Our offense tanks dramatically when we don't have one of Smart or Tatum in, because they're the only two guards/wings who can actually make some plays. Ideally when one of those two sit, you also have Horford and Richardson in, as they both a have a little bit of playmaking in their game.
Gomes3PC wrote:THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE STARTERS!
Even Horford with his epically cold shooting is still no worse than serviceable as a starting big. If Al is your worst starter, you are fine.
The problem is after that, we have two guys who are basically net neutrals (JRich, Grant) and nothing after that worthy of giving minutes to. Blame Ime all you want but when we gave Romeo, PP, and Nesmith run, they were major net negatives on the floor.
playa-hater wrote:The starters have a really good Core 4. the 4 can be as good as almost anyone. Anyone can be the 5th starter and we would still be very good. One reason why starting J Rich or Grant and returning Horford to anchor the backup 5 would go along way IMO.
BK_2020 wrote:Gomes3PC wrote:THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE STARTERS!
Even Horford with his epically cold shooting is still no worse than serviceable as a starting big. If Al is your worst starter, you are fine.
The problem is after that, we have two guys who are basically net neutrals (JRich, Grant) and nothing after that worthy of giving minutes to. Blame Ime all you want but when we gave Romeo, PP, and Nesmith run, they were major net negatives on the floor.
Per on/off, Grant Williams has been a massive net loss actually due to his defense slumping. Last season his defense was good but his offense was bad. His rookie season was the only time when he was good on both ends according to on/off. Hopefully next season is when it clicks on both ends.
keevsnick1 wrote:Good news on the standings watch front. BRK is in UTA tonight, Mitchell cleared the concussion protocol so it looks like he'll play. Meanwhile Harden has been rule out with hamstring tightness. A BOS win @DET and BRK loss @UTA puts the C's just two back in the loss column from BRK.
Other games to watch:
CLE @ CHA
ATL@TOR
PHI@DAL