Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[winforlose]

Is wolfson high? A first and mcdaniels for overrated smart and he is “bigtime”?? What did beverly cost ?? Lol

Sounds like you all would do Beasley/1st but not Beasley/McDaniels - and definitely not Beasley/McDaniels/1st..?

I would want Enes and a McLaughlin for Pritchard swap to include the first.

[wolves_89]

Is wolfson high? A first and mcdaniels for overrated smart and he is “bigtime”?? What did beverly cost ?? Lol

Sounds like you all would do Beasley/1st but not Beasley/McDaniels - and definitely not Beasley/McDaniels/1st..?

I'd say that's an accurate representation. Smart would be a nice addition, but I just don't see McDaniels being part of any trade package.

[jpatrick]

Smart is a horrific shooter. Generally in the upper 30s. He really is a worse shooter than Rubio. I know what he does defensively and hustle-wise, but I don’t think he’s playable with Vando. Two non-shooters seems like a no-go in the modern NBA. Especially when we have Pat Bev, who brings some of the same things and is a better shooter.

Part of me believes leaking the Smart rumors is Gupta’s way of negotiating with Beverly. You like it here, take less money than your asking, or we’re going to replace you with Smart.

[TheZachAttack]

I don't think the Wolves do anything at the trade deadline. They don't really have a lot of pieces that other teams are interested in and the ones that they are the Wolves probably don't want to trade and certainly shouldn't trade for mediocre player with bloated contracts.

[shrink]

Is wolfson high? A first and mcdaniels for overrated smart and he is “bigtime”?? What did beverly cost ?? Lol

Sounds like you all would do Beasley 1st but not Beasley/McDaniels - and definitely not Beasley/McDaniels/1st..?

I personally wouldn’t do Beasley + 1st without some additional incentive. The alternative for us is to simply re-sign Patrick Beverley and keep all our assets. Beverley has been better than Smart this year. He is #12 in RAPTOR this season, and the starting five with Beverley has one of the three highest Net Rtg’s in the past decade. Moreover, Beverley wants to be here, and he has instilled defense, effort, and accountability in his teammates - something many of them desperately need. Smart is a good player, but I doubt he even starts over Beverley. This could be a ploy Gupta is using to get Beverley to extend for a more team-friendly number.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ah, Beverley angle makes sense. I didn't really understand the rumor for either team.. although McDaniels is interesting for Boston.. What about Smart for Beverley+McDaniels &or a 1st?

[thinktank]

Smart is a horrific shooter. Generally in the upper 30s. He really is a worse shooter than Rubio. I know what he does defensively and hustle-wise, but I don’t think he’s playable with Vando. Two non-shooters seems like a no-go in the modern NBA. Especially when we have Pat Bev, who brings some of the same things and is a better shooter.

Part of me believes leaking the Smart rumors is Gupta’s way of negotiating with Beverly. You like it here, take less money than your asking, or we’re going to replace you with Smart.

Bev and Smart’s shooting are identical.

[Mattya]

I’m not trading Big Mac for Smart. If that’s what it takes I’m going back to Jrich and Nesmith.

[jpatrick]

Smart is a horrific shooter. Generally in the upper 30s. He really is a worse shooter than Rubio. I know what he does defensively and hustle-wise, but I don’t think he’s playable with Vando. Two non-shooters seems like a no-go in the modern NBA. Especially when we have Pat Bev, who brings some of the same things and is a better shooter.

Part of me believes leaking the Smart rumors is Gupta’s way of negotiating with Beverly. You like it here, take less money than your asking, or we’re going to replace you with Smart.

Bev and Smart’s shooting are identical.

What?!?! In almost every year of their careers, Pat Bev has shot in the low 40s and around 40% from three. While Smart has shot in the 30s and in low 30s from 3.

This season is just small sample size.

[Klomp]

The more I think about it, the more I kinda like the Richardson/Nesmith idea. Nothing spectacular, but gives a little more defense without necessarily losing shooting.

[shrink]

Ah, Beverley angle makes sense. I didn't really understand the rumor for either team.. although McDaniels is interesting for Boston.. What about Smart for Beverley+McDaniels &or a 1st?

I think any dreams BOS is having about MIN trading away McDaniels will have to remain dreams.

After Thibs, Rosas, and Covid, MIN doesn’t have any true insiders. However, our best local writer is probably Jon Krawcinski of the Athletic, who solely covers the NBA (Wolfson tries to cover all MIN sports). Krawcinski recently wrote these notes

* KAT and ANT are the 2 untouchables
* Jaden McDaniels would require 'a massive return'
* Jarred Vanderbilt and D’Angelo Russell are only available in packages for stars
* Jaylen Nowell is available but only for an elite shooter
* Taurean Prince's good play means he is less likely to be moved than he was a month ago
* Both Minnesota and Pat Bev are interested in a contract extension - likely he stays
* Confirms the Wolves turned down Malik Beasley for Josh Richardson + Nesmith but he is available

I think the order here is important, and to the front office, McDaniels is likely valued even more than Vando and DLo, who have been playing great as starters. For the last year, we have heard almost unbelievable praise for McDaniels. Wolfson’s opinion of McDaniels or a 1st seems quite off - MIN probably values McDaniels >> a 1st.

[shrink]

The more I think about it, the more I kinda like the Richardson/Nesmith idea. Nothing spectacular, but gives a little more defense without necessarily losing shooting.

I’ll give myself a little pat on the back if it happens, because I’ve been advocating a Richardson-Beasley swap for over a month, and I’ve probably put more effort into that trade than any others. I agree about Richardson helping the defense, plus I think Richardson is a more of a two way player that could help MIN more in the playoffs.

I like it for Boston because they definitely need a floor spacer, and no team is going to leave Beasley open at the three point line. Even though Richardson’s 3P% is higher, Beasley is taking more, harder, three point attempts. We don’t have a guy to replace that - we have a couple players (like Richardson) that take open, catch-and-shoot three’s. Hopefully that would be enough, since MIN takes more 3PA’s than any other team.

[old school 34]

The more I think about it, the more I kinda like the Richardson/Nesmith idea. Nothing spectacular, but gives a little more defense without necessarily losing shooting.

Definitely something I'd go back to...I know Nesmith hasn't done much this year....but ended his rookie year last year with some pretty good shooting splits. Not that Richardson wouldn't have value as well....but say if I could repurpose him still say to Det or even better Sac for Olynyk or Holmes....all the better.

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[Mattya]

Ah, Beverley angle makes sense. I didn't really understand the rumor for either team.. although McDaniels is interesting for Boston.. What about Smart for Beverley+McDaniels &or a 1st?

I think any dreams BOS is having about MIN trading away McDaniels will have to remain dreams.

After Thibs, Rosas, and Covid, MIN doesn’t have any true insiders. However, our best local writer is probably Jon Krawcinski of the Athletic, who solely covers the NBA (Wolfson tries to cover all MIN sports). Krawcinski recently wrote these notes

* KAT and ANT are the 2 untouchables
* Jaden McDaniels would require 'a massive return'
* Jarred Vanderbilt and D’Angelo Russell are only available in packages for stars
* Jaylen Nowell is available but only for an elite shooter
* Taurean Prince's good play means he is less likely to be moved than he was a month ago
* Both Minnesota and Pat Bev are interested in a contract extension - likely he stays
* Confirms the Wolves turned down Malik Beasley for Josh Richardson + Nesmith but he is available

I think the order here is important, and to the front office, McDaniels is likely valued even more than Vando and DLo, who have been playing great as starters. For the last year, we have heard almost unbelievable praise for McDaniels. Wolfson’s opinion of McDaniels or a 1st seems quite off - MIN probably values McDaniels >> a 1st.

He also said Naz was a likely trade candidate, which make me wonder who are the cheap centers to replace Naz if he is traded.

WCS if we clear some salary. Olynyk, Ibaka, Nurkic, and Dieng?

[old school 34]

Smart is a horrific shooter. Generally in the upper 30s. He really is a worse shooter than Rubio. I know what he does defensively and hustle-wise, but I don’t think he’s playable with Vando. Two non-shooters seems like a no-go in the modern NBA. Especially when we have Pat Bev, who brings some of the same things and is a better shooter.

Part of me believes leaking the Smart rumors is Gupta’s way of negotiating with Beverly. You like it here, take less money than your asking, or we’re going to replace you with Smart.

Bev and Smart’s shooting are identical.

What?!?! In almost every year of their careers, Pat Bev has shot in the low 40s and around 40% from three. While Smart has shot in the 30s and in low 30s from 3.

This season is just small sample size.

True Beverly is the better career shooter....but we need to be focused about what each player offers us go forward. While shooting ages better than most skill sets...not certain that it will for Bev just due to injuries, size, & the intensity that he will always put into on the defensive side.

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[Celts17Pride]

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I would guess no Smart Minny/Boston trade. Seems like both teams moved on but we’ll see.

[shrink]

One last bit on Smart.

I can see the Timberwolves being interested in Smart. Gupta has said that he wants MIN to be longterm buyers, and as much as we all love Beverley, he is 33. I could see a trade if the price is reasonable, but BOS has less leverage with MIN than virtually any other team - they just extend Beverley and spend a little more money to be able to keep their 1st, and worry about the problem down the road.

But imagine if MIN acquires Smart 27, on his current deal ($14,339,285 $16,607,142 $18,583,713 $19,960,285 $21,336,856). Where does that leave Beverley? If you pay Smart this much, you’re eventually turning the starting role over to him, so you better not pay Bev like a starter to play back up minutes. He’s certainly played well enough to be a starter on some nba team.

I think what we are seeing is that MIN will offer Beverley an extension after the Trade Deadline, if it still makes sense for both parties.

[Andrew McCeltic]

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I would guess no Smart Minny/Boston trade. Seems like both teams moved on but we’ll see.

How do you "have a deal" and not have one at the same time? They agreed on Smart for Beasley+ and split on the +?

[thinktank]

Smart is a horrific shooter. Generally in the upper 30s. He really is a worse shooter than Rubio. I know what he does defensively and hustle-wise, but I don’t think he’s playable with Vando. Two non-shooters seems like a no-go in the modern NBA. Especially when we have Pat Bev, who brings some of the same things and is a better shooter.

Part of me believes leaking the Smart rumors is Gupta’s way of negotiating with Beverly. You like it here, take less money than your asking, or we’re going to replace you with Smart.

Bev and Smart’s shooting are identical.

What?!?! In almost every year of their careers, Pat Bev has shot in the low 40s and around 40% from three. While Smart has shot in the 30s and in low 30s from 3.

This season is just small sample size.

We don’t get the Beverly from the past.

We’ve had a very large sample size to see how Beverly shoots NOW and it is virtually IDENTICAL to Smart. Smart is a better FT shooter, actually—that’s the only difference.

[Mattya]

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